I should have mentioned that I'm driving a 2004 HCH.
I should have mentioned that I'm driving a 2004 HCH.
'"Your mileage may vary," but the point is that going faster really pulls those numbers down.'
Yes, but it's economically idiotic to go slower. With Chuck's numbers and Ashley's commute, she would save 5 gallons of gas a week by driving 60mph instead of 80mph. She would aslo spend almost 4 more hours driving every week. At 3 dollars a gallon for gas, that's 15 bucks for almost 4 hours of your time. You have to make considerably less than minimum wage for it to be worth driving slower. Personally, my time is worth more than 4 dollars an hour. I'll wait until gas is about 10 bucks a gallon before slowing down.
Jetta TDI wagon (1.9L, 100 hp/177 lb-ft direct-injection diesel, 5 speed manual gearbox): at 62 mph (100 km/h) on my daily 104 km each way commute, which includes about 15 km of stop-and-go and city traffic at the city end: about 48 mpg, consistently. Range at this mpg is about 800 miles per tank with reserve.
Passat TDI sedan (2.0L, 134 hp/247 lb-ft, direct-injection diesel, 5-speed automatic): about 40 mpg under the same conditions (larger car, automatic transmission, bigger engine).
No special driving techniques other than smooth starts & stops, max. 105 km/h (except short bursts higher to pass), no racing from red light to red light in the city.
"Yes, but it's economically idiotic to go slower. With Chuck's numbers and Ashley's commute, she would save 5 gallons of gas a week by driving 60mph instead of 80mph. She would aslo spend almost 4 more hours driving every week. "
How long is the commute? Mine is 65 miles each way. I used to do the drive at 75 mph (120 km/h). I slowed down to 62 mph (100 km/h). It only added 5 minutes each way to my commute. I can afford to spend an extra 10 minutes a day/50 minutes a week commuting; it's not wasted time I do a lot of my work thinking & planning in the car where it's quiet (I rarely listen to the radio except to pick up the news once, and to listen to the traffic report to plan my route in/out of the city).
Rarely does a 20 mph increase in cruise speed equate to a 20 mph increase in *average* speed. In any commute, there will be stops, perhaps traffic, perhaps someone hogging the fast lane at 55 mph. All those things conspire to reduce average speed. In fact it's often easier to maintain a consistent average speed at a lower speed than at a higher speed. When I drive 100 km/h, I rarely have to slow down from that speed but when I drive 120, there are many obstacles that force me to slow down.
Plus, on my 65 mile drive, there's only about 30 miles of freeway where traffic levels permit unrestricted 75+ mph driving (assuming the cops aren't patrolling).
Driving fast does not save nearly as much time as people realize. Even on a long 800 km trip once (that I do every year to pick up the kids at summer camp), one year I drove "80 mph", and the other year, 62 mph. The time difference was only approximately 1/2 hour on an 8-8.5 hour drive. You really have to do the calculations based on *average* speed, not peak cruising speed.
Plus there's a huge advantage of driving slower: the stress level goes way down.
Another point, would you actually be working in the time saved by going faster, and hence earning?
I doubt it. On the other hand driving faster you are taking money directly out of your pocket. In addition that money is *after tax* income; for every extra $1 you spend, you will have to earn $1.25-$2.00 depending on your tax bracket.
Unless you save enough hours, and earn income in those hours, to exceed the fuel savings, there's no way you're saving anything by going faster.
1. buy any used vehicle that you like. Pick a big one that goes vroom and has big ol wheels on it. S.U.V.s are good, so are old pick up trucks.
2. find an old bakery van or a ups truck. just about any aluminum delivery truck has a good diesel motor in it. buy it for 1000-2000
3. take the motor out and put it in front of a new venture 4500 transmission. that'll run you 5 grand.
cut the motor mounts out and put them in your vehicle.
4 if you chose a honda civic or a mini truck unibody import vehicle youre a dumbass.
5 put in the diesel. modify as nessecary the oil pan, suspension, fuel tank, exhaust system, guages, steering, radiator, muffler bearings, etc
there. Now spend another 2000 to 4000 with gayle banks stuff.
now you have a 300-400 hp 400-600ft lb beast when you press a button, or a tame, quiet, reliable, everlasting efficient powerplant that achieves 35 mpg when you need it to.
Gears. make sure you have really tall gears in the differentials because diesels are torque rich and h.p. poor.
OR... stop voting for republicans.
where are all of the Honda Insight owners? what kind of real MPG do you get?
I have a 2001 honda insight (5 speed). A recent drive from San Diego to Reno via the backway (hwy 395) resulted in 65 mpg to Reno (uphill) and 69 mpg home (downhill). I drive about 75 mph traffic permitting. In everyday driving around town (half streets, half highway) I get about 55 mpg. I hope this helps.
2006 AWD Hybrid escape - 800 miles. Takes about 2 miles to warm up prior to shutoff at stops. Short trips (0-2 miles) are worst case which I get about 22-24 MPG. Freeway with hills I get 28-30 MPG. Overall, I have averaged about 26 MPG on the last two fill-ups.
51.2 after about 500 miles on the current tank. Lifetime average should be about 47.5 ( I'll have to check). 2006 HCH II
2005 Prius (landed in Jacksonville, Florida)
50 mpg in Georgia, AC full blast, mixed commute.
48 mpg in Alberta, Canada, Summer fuel, highway.
42 mpg in Alberta, Canada, Winter fuel (high ethanol).
42 mpg in midwest US (high ethanol), Interstate.
Prius is lonely up here, TDI's all over the place, base price on hybrids in Canada 20% over US if take last years average exchange rate. Do the math ... and other Toyota's and Honda's don't have this premium. Probably why if you even wanted one and were willing to pay they are hard to find ... don't seem to want to sell them here.
My other vehicle (Ford Windstar) tracked my mileage swings so I put it to weather and fuel blend.
I am able to get 5 mpg by changing my driving habits but usually just drive with the traffic ... oil field pickups for local SAGD expansion.
I just did a personal record last tank for distance, but not my MPG record.
Beginning ODO 69,676
Ending ODO 70,659
That's 983 miles to that single tank and pumped 13.79 gallons to the rim for 71.28MPG.
17 miles short of the 1,000 mile barrier
2004 Honda Civic Hybrid CVT
I am getting right at 50 MPG with my Honda Civic Hybrid 2006. Average since purchase is just a little over 48 MPG. Engine showed improvement in MPG just as 3500 miles were crossed similar to other reports.
2005 Honda Civic Hybrid
for about 17K mi, average 37.8 mpg, most of it is short distance, back roads
for the past 2K miles (almost all hgwy), average of 42 mpg and that's with the a/c on
i know i could do better but I like to speed and accelerate
HCH 2006 CVT. I have got an average of 36 mpg so far. I have gone almost 2000 miles. I drive about 60% interstate. So far I have seen about 28/47 for city/hwy miles. I am bit disappointed as I was told to expect low forties by the dealer, not the 50 mpg claim.
I hope that the increase after 3500 miles happens. It would be a pleasant surprise.
I have a 2005 corolla S automatic and just wanted to say that Ive been getting 31 in the city and about 38 on the highway at 65 mph on average. I guess thats what toyota said I would get so I'm happy. I still like the prius and hope to get one. I just dont like the beeping when backing up. Small price to pay.
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In temperatures less than 80 I can get 50 mpg easy in my 04 HCH CVT. Above that temp the a/c is generally running which pushes the mpg down to 45, sometimes 42. But in cool weather 50 is easy and I've had days with around 60 mpg. So the sticker is not off. I was afraid about that as well, but rest assured, responsible driving will get 48 and much more.
Don't believe the hype. Sure, there are some people who don't match the EPA numbers. But what about all the people who drive non-hybrids who also don't get the mileage numbers shown on their EPA sticker. I own a 2002 Mazda Protege5 and can assure you that I have a LOT of trouble matching those numbers.
Buying a hybrid for environmental reasons is not so clear cut. The disposal of large toxic batteries could outweigh any emission benefits and therefore the environment would be harmed more than if someone drives a regular car. Has anyone seen any analysis on this?
On my 2005 2WD Ford Escape Hybrid, I have had 35.0 mph and 38.0 mph for my last two tanks. This is a mixture of driving in town and highway. The EPA ratings are 31 highway and 36 city. I'm not sure why people are complaining about the EPA estimates as I seem to be matching or beating them. Now if one of these car companies would just get a hybrid minivan, we'll buy it.
Hybrid batteries are:
a: NiMH, hence non-toxic (as compared with the lead-acid starter batteries in most cars). They can actually be thrown in a landfill - legally if not economically.
b: Recycled, just as are most lead-acid starter batteries. Their value encourages this even more than with lead-acid starter batteries.
Question. I recently purchased a 2006 Civic Hybrid and my MPH right now is only about 36 mpg. The car is only in its first 200 miles, does it take a while for them to break in?
Also..are all hybrids created equal? The disparity of mpg reports seems high. Do some just get better than others (even in the same model) like luck of the draw?
Where are u getting $3 a gal wow thats cheap
TCH only 400 miles on, already getting 37 MPG average.
2007 HCH getting 51.5 average in town commute but have seen single tank averages as high as 56.5 mpg. Got a lot better after around 14K miles.
I just bought a used '05 HCH Automatic CVT from Hansel Honda in Petaluma. I live in a very hilly area. The car generally gets between 35 and 40 MPG. In flat areas maybe better. The car has so little power it can barely get into my steep driveway unless I floor it. Even in "L" the car is weak. Also, it feels "all over the road" and the cop who pulled me over agreed I was riding the fog lines. It's a smooth ride--I'll give it that. But the poor mileage combined with poor power makes me wonder if I bought a lemon. I feel misled by the stated ~49 MPG. Also people are swerving around me because I am driving too slow. I hope I get more used to it because as of now the car feels dangerous.
It takes about 3000 miles before you start to hit the sweet spot I found out.
I drive a 2007 Camry Hybrid, I am currently averaging 35 in city and about 45 on highway, take in mind that i drive about 90+ on highway and a heavy lead foot in city. But if I have normal driving habits i get around 65 in city and about 55 on highway. When my more conservative friends drive my car they get 75 in city and 80 on highway. With my hybrid its all how you drive the car, you can't trust EPA for the fuel esitmates. You just have to learn how your hybrid system works and how you have to drive it to get the best mpg's out of it. I will soon put a K&N air filter in my car and a Tornado Air system in my car a total work price for 130.00 to help improve my fuel economy. They are another consideration to help improve your mpg's. I know they do work, I currently own 24 vehicles that me or my family drive regularly and have seen significant efficiency improvement of 6 to 12 mpg. From a 94 corolla to a 2002 porsche carrera gt, and even my 2006 dodge ram pickup 2500 mega cab diesel. All my vehicles have shown improvement with this system. even though i made these improvements, you still have to keep in mind,that the best way to get efficiency from your vehicles is to learn as much about it as possible and then learn to drive it to max efficiency. every vehicle is different. every vehicles has to be driven diffrently to get the efficiency you want
I own an 08 FEH FWD and average 32-34 miles per gallon. I love it!
What people need to remember is the constant stop and go traffic is what increases your gas mileage. When your vehicle breaks it recharges the battery, when you start from standing still it uses the electric motor and then engages the gas engine. The longer your commute and higher speed you travel the worse your mileage.
As for the batteries, there are still many many toxic items in them regardless of what you have been told. Many are manufactured oversees because our environmental laws would not allow economical production or them or safe disposal of components.
I own a Toyota Highlander Limited and I would say that I average 21 MPG and that's an average of what I get all the time. If I am actually driving consious of MPG and I drive like an old man I mean like the slowest starts from stoplights....pissing people off and making it to 40MPH in like 30 seconds I can average around 27MPG in the city
Have any of you tried to boost your mileage even higher with a Water Hybrid conversion? With the gas mileage increases we are getting on normal cars, I would love to see someone put it into an electric hybrid and see the results.
We may run a promo out here in CA and install a system for free on a volunteer hybrid.
Let me know if anyone has tried it yet, or if you are interested in trying it. Imagine getting another 20%-30% increase in gas above what the electric does....
Increase Gas Mileage-Hybrid Water Car
I look forward to your promo.
I highly recommend that you do the following:
- Take 2 vehicles of identical type (if they are used, you'll need to get some sort of authentication that they are identical)
- Give them both to a certified, independent lab that can do EPA gas mileage certification on a dynamometer.
- Have the lab inspect both vehicles to be the same, then give you one of the vehicles.
- Modify the vehicle you're given using your system.
- Take the modified vehicle back to the lab
- Let the lab run the EPA test on both vehicles. If your car requires anything else, you'll have to have it checked out by the EPA lab as well, including the amount of watt-hours of electricity used by your generator.
- Get the lab to publish the result and certify the mpg of both vehicles using the standard EPA tests.
- If the results are favorable, then, I'll probably consider you as being genuine and might even give you a try myself.
In the meantime, it is Buyer Beware for your scheme and I don't have time to waste on you so please quit spamming this forum.
(You're welcome for the free consultation)
do you still drive the 2007 camry hybrid and does your mpg change in cold weather? i am looking to sell my 1996 passat tdi to get a 2007 hybrid but want to make sure i will get equal or better fuel mileage--40+mpg. thanks for your help
NO, if you are buying premium, STOP.
Do a google search for "OCTANE"
You will find that the "HIGHER" the octane the LESS flammable the fuel is, its confusing I know, but its how it works.
Think about this, Diesel fuel takes a higher temp to ignite, there for in a sense it has a "HIGHER" Octane and is LESS flammable. ( not that diesel is rated that way). Now think about the fact that diesels are high compresion engines the fuel is ignited by the heat caused by the high compresion, not a spark. If you was to put gas in a diesel engine you would get whats called "fuel knock" meaning that the fuel is igniting to soon because it is more flamable. The same consept applys to gas just in in smaller increments. Drag cars use High octane fuel because they have higher compesion engines, therefor they must use high octane fuel so that the fuel doesnt ignight to soon causing premature ignition from More flamable fuel or "Lower octane fuel" Dragster use like 120 octane, standard cars use 87 octane
Think about this as well if you put deisel in a small cup open to the air and then do the same with gasolene, leave them for awhile. When you return the gas will evaporate and the desiel will not ( maybe some) That is becuse the gasoline is more flammable and ignites at a lower temp. Acohol evaporates at room temp because it is Highly flammable and needs little heat to burn.
Alcohol racers must adjust the timing so that the fuel burn at the correct "timeing"becuase the fuel is more flamable.
Every day cars are mass produced and fabracating the engines to tighter more precise specs would be more time consumeing. So the engines have lower compression and need more flammable fuel to run correctly. And if you think about it this is why the standard gas engine is NOT very effecient, it just doesnt burn the fuel as well due to the lower comprssion.
So in short LOWER (87) octane fuel is More flammable
HIGHER (93) octane fuel is less Flammable
Using Higher octane fuel is just a waste of money because it doent ignite as soon. The engine just doesnt burn it as well.
If you dont beileve me, Just do a google search on "octane"
1986 Suzuki SA-310 (3cly) gets 53hwy/45city 5-speed
I have an 80 mile daily commute. Some highway but mostly 2 lane @ 55-60 mph. Am considering buying the new Ford C Max and am wondering if todays hybrids are made to handle this kind of commute. I presently spend around 380.00 a month on fuel for a vehicle that gets 21 mpg on a good day. Any thoughts? 12/4/12
Why are hybrid MPGs not much higher if the trips are brief enough for the battery to be able to fuel them? I am thinking of buying my first ever hybrid or electric car, but the MPGs that I am seeing here make me wonder. Ordinary combustible engine cars that I have driven in the past got around 25 MPG. What I am seeing here for hybrids is not much better, surprisingly enough. Any thoughts please?