People who don't appreciate
People who don't appreciate the 1982 Honda Civic 1300 FE did not own one - it was a great car. Mine ran for 200,000 miles and over 15 years (including 3 wrecks by my wife and someone who borrowed it).
It would easily do 75-80 on the interstate. My calculations showed that I was getting 50mpg for interstate driving. It rode very well, very quiet in its first 5 years of life. Being a hatchback, it was very versatile. I never felt like it was underpowered - it had a five speed manual transmission and it was fun to drive. Plus the original set of tires were still good at 40,000 miles (Bridgestones) - this model had a nice interior with (for me) a fancy accessory - a digital clock. It cost $7500 - I regret ever lettin it go but the last wreck qualified as a "total" and even though I had it fixed it was never quite the same. BUT at 200,000 miles and 15 years of use/abuse, it never got less than 35 mpg. The Honda Fit seems to be the closest thing you can get to this great old Honda model now. This is the only car I have ever loved.
I had one of these and it
I had one of these and it was cool if you didn't mind not going anywhere. The mileage was awesome, but absolutely would NOT go above 75mph, and only that wilth pedal to floor on level road (I live in Kansas). We made the mistake of taking it on vacation to the mountains of Colorado--barely climbed the mountains. One thing people don't seem to remember or note is that the speed limit bach then was 55, and fuel efficient cars today simply must be able to apply go 80+ miles per hour, if for no other reason safety sake. There are times when you have to keep up with fast moving traffic, or presents safety hazzard. This car was fun though, and as I was in high school at the time kept me from getting too wild on the roads!
I found this thread after
I found this thread after doing a google search on "Civic 1300FE".
My family owned two, and without a doubt the best cars we ever owned. My parents had a 1982, ugly metallic brown, no A/C, and only a simple am/fm radio. Great car but they didn't keep it that long because we needed another car, and the Civic had better trade-in value than the other car (a buick which became my teenage car).
Around 1988 I bought a used "Avignon Blue" 1983 1300FE. This one was downright luxurious compared to the 82. It had 101k miles, and I think I paid $2000. It had A/C, top of line (then) factory stereo, and a fine-working aftermarket cruise control. As was common with these cars, the interior upholstery was worn out. I had the seats recovered, for about $200, in a plush dark blue pleated fabric. It was downright swanky.
My mileage city/hwy was in line with everything else that was claimed above (40's/50's). I didn't drive it "easy" thats for sure. My mileage also probably suffered because I had upgraded to wider and sportier tires, and had no clue about rolling resistance in those days.
I traded it at 205k miles for a used 1991 Civic- which I hated. I feel that Hondas lost there specialness, and I've not owned one since (I've had 4 Mazdas however). I occasionally look for a used 1982/83 Civic, but they're quite scarce. Getting rid of mine was a big mistake- I should have kept it. If I could buy a new one today, I would in a heartbeat.
I owned an 82 Honda Civic
I owned an 82 Honda Civic Hatchback FE. I truly wish I kept that car. I didn't realize how geat that car was. Great gas mileage. The only two cars that year that got better gas mileage was Honda CRX FE and the VW Rabbit Diesel
My 82 Civic FE 5 speed could
My 82 Civic FE 5 speed could light the tires in first and chirp in second so the power to weight ratio was just fine. I drove many times from Boston to Buffalo at 75 mph on one tank of gas. That's a ten gallon tank and just over 500 miles. That was with two adults, two children one of which was an infant so we had all the paraphernalia like porta-crib, high-chair, formula, diapers...... Lets just say we loaded the car to the max. Very few, if any cars of that era were as safe as today's cars but it was a very safe car for the time. The emissions where quite good for it's day and I never had a single problem with the car in 180K miles. Yes it was naturally aspirated engine but so what if it worked. The fact is this, fuel injection has many, many more components than a carburetor and all of them require manufacturing. Take a complete FI system out and place it on a bench next to a carburetor. Don't forget the fuel rails, fuel pump and all the sensors. All those FI components have to be manufactured someplace and all that manufacturing uses energy and pollutes.
I acquired a 1983 Civic FE
I acquired a 1983 Civic FE about five years ago and am slowly getting ready to restore it to its former glory. Currently, it has a 1981 engine but the original engine is being made ready. I have driven this car on and off over the past four years and it has no problem going in excess of 90mph and rendering mpg in the mid forties.
Like all Civics of its era, it holds the road like glue. Those that post negative comments about this generation simply don't know what they're talking about.
My hobby in retirement is playing with various Generation II Civics and currently I am driving an '82 Civic DX 1500 automatic that gets about 35mpg in mixed driving. It too handles like a dream and doesn't wait for anyone...
Likewise, I i owned a 1300
Likewise, I i owned a 1300 FE. I bought it new on a very rainy day in April 1982. Funny, the dealer was so happy to get it off their lot because everyone seemed to want the 1500's that I got a pretty silver one for $2000 off sticker, and got $2500 on a trade in Volkswagen that I bought from a car dealer a year before for $2000. The only bummer was the 17.9% interest rate on the loan. This was 1982, after all, when an excellent interest rate was an outrageous 12.9%.
The lowest gas mileage I ever got out of the car was 38.5 mpg, and that was on a half tank that was mostly spent in horrible traffic jams in 100 degree weather, AC on full blast.
The best I ever got was 55 mpg on a trip to Colorado. Despite the 55 mph speed limit, I rarely drove below 65 mph in those days. It had no problem climbing hills and steep mountain passes at 65 mph in Colorado and New Mexico. Most of the time, I averaged 53 mpg on the highway, and rarely less than 42 in the city. Honda gave each buyer a mileage log, and I was so impressed I still have it somewhere in my old auto literature.
Performance was not bad, in general, for 1982. Due to a good selection of gearing, I found the car could accelerate from 0-60 in about 12.5 seconds without abusing it. In comparison, that is about as fast as the old 2 passenger Honda Insight did. Note also that our impressions of what is adequate acceleration have changed a great deal. I also had a 1984 Dodge GLH (Goes Like Hell) which was considered fast at the time. And, yes, it was, at least compared to other "performance" cars of its day. I scorched many IROC and Z28 Camaros with the GLH, yet it would seem slow today. After all, the GLH was only capable of 0-60 in a bit under 9 seconds. Today, most minivans would beat it.
Of course, in comparison to the Insight, the FE could seat four adults, and carry additional cargo. The Insight's rated GVWR doesn't really allow for two 180 lb passengers and a full tank of gas, at least not without going over the official max rating.
Of course, later high efficiency versions of the Civic got even better mileage than the 1982 model. Unfortunately, Honda never did well selling them.
I wish I could get a car like the 1300FE today. With modern EFI and some actual aerodynamics, and lighter materials, the car should be able to reach 0-60 in 11 seconds, and easily top 50mpg. I really don't see why 60 mpg should be any problem to achieve in a small 4 passenger hatchback, at least as long as the customer doesn't expect 0-60 in 7 seconds.
This car really makes the Mercedes Smart Car look not very smart at all.
I recently came across an 82
I recently came across an 82 sedan and the head was warped. Just wondering if anyone knows a place where I can Fix it. If I choose to buy it.
Well folks I too did own a
Well folks I too did own a 1983 Honda Civic 1300FE. It was my first car purchase and I paid $6500 for it brand new right after graduation from college! It held through an additional several years through my PhD and then onto my first job. I was then as I am now very conservative about burning gas. I actually did get 50+ on the highway and in town I developed the habit of shifting into 5th above 40 mph. I sold the car for $1000 in 1992 when I purchased my second Honda the 1992 Civic VX because of its fuel efficient rating. I still drive this car and it gets me 50+ mpg on the highway. The best I did was 67 mpg on a trip from Bishop, CA to LA (downhill and tail wind). I still own this VX and frankly regret selling the 1300 FE. If I could find one I would
pick it up no questions. Since the 1300 FE I have completely lost my fear of tinkering with cars and I do all of the maintenance on the VX myself. I HAVE NO PLANS TO GIVE THIS ONE UP, considering among several factors my regrets about selling the 1300 FE. Both cars have been a great joy to drive!
To SF Sores: I'm surprised
To SF Sores: I'm surprised that you do all the maintenance on a later-than-1983 Honda just due to the electronics and plethora of interlocks etc.
1983 is the cut-off year for me. Everything from then on back is "old school" including the automatic transmission. Not one electrical wire goes to it.
Some joke that I live in the past but it suites me just fine. At least it is me in control rather than the "service department."
None of my "fleet," (1981, 82 & 83), has presented a challenge unable to be met.
Yep I drove my Dad' Civic FE
Yep I drove my Dad' Civic FE in mid 80s while in high school and it did get 50+ mpg, but it literally would NOT go faster that 70 with pedal all the way to the floor--guess Dad knew i was a speed demon, although even at 55 I'm lucky he didn't have to bury me in this tin can. Was fun to drive though, (at very slow speeds)!
My '83 FE is my next major
My '83 FE is my next major project which will include a rebuilt engine, interior and paint. It is definitely a fun car to drive beats my '82 Civic auto in handling. I assume this is due to the fact that the 1300 engine is aluminum vs cast iron for the 1500.
If only they made cars like this today...
I still own my 1982 Civic
I still own my 1982 Civic that I purchased brand new. I live in California and have to get emissions tested every two years. There have been a couple of occasions where I had to do some repairs to bring the car within standards, but to rebuke your comment on pollution, my car still passes with lower emissions than many of the fuel injected cars that are ten or less years old. I regularly get 35 MPG and that's at an average of 65 MPH during my commute to work (40 miles each way). I've managed to get in the 40s for MPG if I baby it and do not exceed 60. I've been told that people with Prius hybrids get similar in the winter because the engine runs periodically to stay warm (no data to confirm).
I think the original point is extremely valid and there is no excuse for fuel economy not to have improved by now without sacrificing safety and a reasonable amount of performance. As far as hyrids are concerned, how much safety is sacrificed in lighter materials to make up for the extra weight of the batteries? My car has no problem reaching 80MPH (when I test drove it the salesman had me doing that in 3rd gear) and that's with the A/C running. I admit I would feel better if it had airbags, but other than that, I like the low registration and insurance costs, no car payment, and being able to fill up only once per week (it used to cost less than $10).
Oh yes... The notorious EPA
Oh yes... The notorious EPA inspired 3bbl carb is a nightmare. I'm about to have one sent out to the rebuilder and also will be converting my daily driver to a Webber.
Regarding the vacuum lines, should one need to remove the head, simply unplug all of the control boxes, disconnect the four or five main vacuum feeds lift the head of complete with intake, carb and vacuum tree intact. This greatly simplifies reinstallation.
Of course, if you convert to a Webber, the whole vacuum issue goes away!
And yes, the FE will easily do over 100mph. I did so on a trip to Houston and still got nearly 50mpg and that was with an '81 engine...