well after a full day of driving basically (I drive about 175 miles per day) I get around 30.5 mpg driving 70-75mph - without a lead foot and around 34.3 60-65mph. Around town for short trips it's around 44mph.
well after a full day of driving basically (I drive about 175 miles per day) I get around 30.5 mpg driving 70-75mph - without a lead foot and around 34.3 60-65mph. Around town for short trips it's around 44mph.
oh - some important info... NJ driving, escape hybrid 4wd.
TERRIFIC! Can you give a more detailed option list?
Oh yeah, and how does it do in 4wd?
I need some driving tips from you! I have the front wheel drive Escape HEV, and am averaging 30-31 on both highways and city driving. Getting about 425 miles to a tank of gas. I've had my SUV 2 weeks now, and haven't broken above 32 MPG. Whassup? I'm driving like my grandmother, truly, I am!
This said, I LOVE my new Escape, and am really happy with the handling.
Joan - sounds like you are averaging about what we would expect. You should get better economy numbers in city driving because part of the time you are operating on electric motor power only.
I've been told that if you run with the A/C on, it will keep your gas engine running and affect the city numbers.
Question for new Escape Hybrid owners - Is the steering effort hard to manage with the gas engine off? Has Ford figured out a way to electrically boost the steering, rather than relying on a gas engine hydraulic pump?
If the steering effort is high, Mama is not going to like it. If it is as easy as the Aviator, she will love it.
I haven't had any problems steering in full electric mode. I'm usually in full electric in parking lots and parking, which is where you would need it the most. I'd say your mama is gonna be fine.... :)
One thing I am wondering about is how milage will change with the cold. I was driving around on Friday in 50 degree weather and cold rain. I had the defrosters on and the car never went to full electric the entire time. I'm assuming the car simply kept the engine idle to produce the heat for the defrosters, but I have no idea how it will affect the overall milage.
You're right..."A/C max" keeps the engine running, but I am able to run on battery only with the lower, regular A/C setting. My mileage is getting better as I learn to coast and stay off the gas pedal. I also live in a hilly neighborhood north of Malibu, so the inclines are taking more engine power.
As far as steering, I have no trouble negotiating parking or turning when running on battery, the Escape handles well...I do not perceive any difference in steering from engine to battery. Don't know how cold weather will effect mpg, will be interesting to hear from the colder climate owners.
Escape hybrid has electric power assisted steering like the Prius. Hopefully more reliable than the Prius steering racks have been so far...
Just thought I'd chime in. I've had my Escape 4WD HEV for a month now, logging over 1500 miles of mixed driving in the CA Bay Area (Oakland) -- city, freeway, foothills. It took me a while to re-learn how to drive in order to take full advantage of the hybrid's benefits. Here's what I've found:
First, I've been averaging about 27mpg on my first 4 tanks of gas. Second, the traffic conditions don't always allow for optimum economy. For example, when I accelerate from a stop, I'll drive differently if there's someone behind me. When I ramp on to the freeway, I want to get to 60-65mph as quickly as possible to get with the flow of traffic. As much as I love watching my fuel economy, I want to be considerate of other drivers and don't want to sacrifice safety for economy. Finally, having driven an Escape and now an Escape Hybrid, the Escape is definitely a peppier car.
That all being said, I love my Escape HEV so far. I was running a Honda Civic (32/38) for a few years, but found that its utility was limited. It was great for jaunting around the city, but became a bit of a drag on long trips. I coach a traveling team, and on a couple of occasions, I needed to rent an Escape to haul members of my team (and their gear) up to Reno for tournaments. There's just no way I'd make that trip in a Civic with 4 kids and their attendant equipment.
The Ford has proven to be of great utility. A given weekend might include a pleasurable drive up to the foothills with my wife and 4-year-old daughter, blasting Queen or Chris Whitley on the upgraded stereo. The Escape HEV navigates dirt roads and twist country roads with equal grace. With the three of us and a weekend's worth of gear, we still manage to grab a good load of firewood which gets stashed in the rear. All this, and 27mpg.
Sure, a Porsche Boxter would be more fun, a Prius gets better fuel economy, and a pickup would do a better job of hauling loads, but the Escape Hybrid, while a compromise in every area, still represents an excellent 1-vehicle solution.
There seem to be two schools of thought with respect to economic driving. One is to accelerate a slowly as traffic will allow, the other is to get up to cruising speed quickly to extract the maximum energy from the gas engine since it's running anyway.
I think a definitive verdict was never reached among Prius drivers as to which approach worked better...
So far (500 miles) I'm averaging around 28 MPG on an AWD Escape.
I've had an Escape Hybrid AWD for about 3 weeks now. I've driven about 600 miles in all types of traffic conditions and have only been able to squeeze out 22 mpg! I've taken it to the dealership, and they don't seem to know what is causing this. Has anyone else had similar problems?
We're at four weeks, and 1700 miles. I'm pretty consistently getting 27 mpg.
Are you using the defroster and A/C a lot? Those make the gas engine run all the time.
"There seem to be two schools of thought with respect to economic driving. One is to accelerate a slowly as traffic will allow, the other is to get up to cruising speed quickly to extract the maximum energy from the gas engine since it's running anyway. "
There is one way to find out, and that is with a controlled test.
One could drive to a seldom used country road and find a flat, level dry patch about 2 miles long.
Make sure the pack has a normally full charge and you've driven it for at least 1/2 hr to 45min. (Warmed up)
At one end of the road find a "Finish lline" landmark then go back to the beginning.
Reset your Fuel Consumption Display.
When all is clear floor it and hold it until 55MPH is reached, then back off to the ammount to hold it steady at 55 until you reach the finish.
Write down your MPG.
Now go back to the beginning again, this time accelerate extremely slowly up to 55MPG and hold it steady there at 55 until you reach the finish.
Compare your MPG with the first time.
Do the test a couple more times to confirm your results.
Try it half throttle.
If you take the short time to do this then you will learn your vehicle that much more and know better how to handle certain situations more efficiently as long as you own it.
Yes the Honda IMA is a different puppy but wide open throttle plunges my HCH's MPG down by half.
"Brisk" throttle was better, but very slow starts are the key.
Your Escape is different than my HCH.....why not do the test?
I have not yet used the AC, and have only minimally used the defroster. I have also been monitoring the "Instantaneous Fuel Economy" Display to try and maximize my fuel economy by altering my driving habits to keep the bars as close to the "H" as possible. After driving over 1000 miles, I have only been able to get 22.2 MPG. I've taken the car to the dealer, and they don't have any technicians there that seem to know what's going on. Does anyone have any suggestions? Is it possible that my car has a software glitch that is causing problems with the electric/gas engine control?
I've learned over the years on automotive sites that you can't diagnose a vehicle on line. Nothing replaces seeing and driving the vehicle.
Some of the questions I would have relate to the load you are carrying, how much the gas engine is running and why, the terrain, speed, traffic, tire pressure, brakes dragging, AWD/FWD, miles on the vehicle, modifications, intake/exhaust restrictions, etc. Seeing the vehicle might answer most of these questions and generate a few more.
If this is your first 1,000 miles, they will likely want to to wait 'till it is broken in to determine if there is a problem with the vehicle. While there are variations between vehicles, generally the driving style dictates your actual mileage.
FWIW I had my first session of 30+ mpg driving yesterday. I was travelling in the Columbia River Gorge including very little high-speed freeway driving, mostly two lane highways and the scenic highway (lots of twists and turns and steep grades). Average MPG according to the computer after about 175 miles, 30.6 mpg.
just an update, after several months of owning my 4WD HEV (escape) I average when driving conservatively - about 33mpg in mixed city, highway. Around town I still do a bit better.
When I drive as I did with my gasoline car I do something closer to around 26-28mpg for the same trips.
Note for me conservative driving is basically maintaining posted speed limits and no jackrabbit starts. I did notice a small drop when it's very cold (under 20 f).
Driving "normal" is typically a bit more leadfooted and driving 70-80mph.
Hope this helps
I have had my 4 wheel drive Escape Hybrid since just before Christmas. After learning how to drive all over again I am getting 30-33 MPG (City - mixed) and 28-30 Hwy. I am waiting to see if it has enough power to pull itself out of the snow. Since I live in the DC area there isn't much off road. 'Guess I'll have to wait until the summer for the NC Outer Banks beaches.
Question, early on I noticed a bit of a hot rubbery smell when sitting idle with the heat on full. Has anyone else noticed that? Since it seems to be going away I supposed it might a break in odor from the cylitic converter?
In response to my last note, we just went through the big SNOW of Jan 15 here in the mid-Alantic states. We got about 4-5 inces on top of sheer ice.
My hybrid Escape 4 wheel did wonderful. All I did was drive. Have had a big 4 wheel prior to this, I purposely when into a fe wsnow piles to test it out. It did great! I am so pleased. Good job Mr. Ford!
I just got my Escape Hybrid, AWD and it's great! I'm averaging about 27mpg on Pacific Coast Highway while doing around 50-60 mph and when I hit the 10 and do 70 mpg it doesn't get much less. Right now I am getting about double the gas mileage as my old Bronco II.
Congrats on getting your new Escape HEV and on doubling your mileage from your Bronco days. I'll have to look for you on PCH...I'm on there quite frequently. Haven't seen any other Escape HEVs on the road yet, hope to soon! I'm getting 30-32 mpg regularly, now that I know how to handle my 2WD model.
I have a new 4WD Escape and can not get the milage above 18mpg and driving as carefull as I can.
The dealer says they know NOTHING...all is well.....................well something is not well. Why is it that everyone at FORD knows nothing??
How does one have the computer checked..etc.??
Any answers?? Thanks
EITHER YOUR FULL OF BS or you need to take the PARKING BRAKE OFF!. Only if the elec. motor is locked up, could you be getting that mileage. Go to a srink, he or she might fix your problem, not Ford.
That was a bit harsh Gary.
How about asking what sort of environment Josef is using his FEH in? Is it very cold? Lots of steep hills? Are most of his trips less than 10 miles?
Anon, he did not offer any driving conditions, good or bad. He talks like FORD is the problem. He doesn't compare any other thing or car here. He says the dealer knows "nothing". Most people would take that issue higher up in Ford if they paid that much for a vehicle and got that mileage. He gave no mech. problems he is having like poor performance if the computer wasn't working right.
If you own a FEH, I think you might think this person doesn't own a FEH. I thought his statements were to bad mouth FORD. His statements also bad mouth all Hybrids in my opinion.
I could be wrong about the intent of His statement and I agree I was harsh. People who are looking at this site thinking of buying a Hybrid need true facts. Not strange problems without any details.
BTW, maybe I should have ask him if he has problems with math also! Just Kidding
Just took my first road trip in my FEH, 4WD. Got 25.4 on the highways (doing between 75 and 85 mph) and when I was in Scottsdale, AZ (flat land with rolling hills) my mileage came in at 32.3. I am pretty pleased. This crushes my '99 Grand Cherokee 4WD.
I am a new Ford Escape Hybrid driver. I am getting about 21 miles mostly round town and doing about 5/6 miles per trip. I am in the Nevada City/Grass Valley area California. I was disappointed at first but when we called Ford we were told that it would do better when we had put on more mileage. They did not give a figure. I think also I am still not using it in the best way. I am driving as I drove my last car, a volvo. I intend to try new tactics and see what I can do that may give better mileage. I am not bothered about the mileage at present. I love the car, the visibility, the space and the handling. I feel more in control and I am comfortable in it. It is useful to have learned from other drivers that I should not be using air conditioning and expecting good mileage at the same time. Thanks.
Glad to see you went from 18 to 21MPG, Keep working on it !
Anon Woman Driver:
As I am sure you have seen -- short trips, like the 5/6 mile trip you write about are not the most efficient. Try taking a 25-45 minute trip. My guess is that if you do it in a city (without to many San Francisco style hills) or a mix of city, highway, and country roads (45 speed limits) you'll get an idea of how/when the car is most efficient.
Terrain and time of travel are really big components in mileage.
Enjoy the car.
I am a little skeptical about the EPA mileage figures quoted for the FEH and other hybrid vehicles. I am currently looking at purchasing a FEH or some other hybrid and feel like I will have to count on the fact that the mileage will be AT LEAST 10mpg less than quoted, especially at highway speeds with any kind of reasonable load (incl. multiple people in the car) and/or non-flat terrain.
From reading this page, my impression is that the people who report figures in the 20-25 mpg range are probably seeing the actual, non-rosy-EPA mileage of the FEH. By the way, that's what my 1987 gas-powered ford aerostar cargo van got fully loaded driving cross-country and through the Rockies. So, have the hybrids come a long way in improving gas economy? Errr...maybe...but maybe not...or maybe not without modified driving habits.
I'm not sure what anyone would expect the dealer to say or do in that event. They must know that 20-25 mpg is a realistic figure under a certain spectrum of conditions. "OH, ok...here's your money back!" Ya...that could happen...
Off-road (or without adjusting driving habits or driving very aggressively), I'm sure the mileage is even worse - maybe take off another 5 to put it in the 15-20 range. Don't get me wrong - I'm not bad-mouthing the car - I just don't think I believe the rosy mileage figures. For light loads with 1 person and reasonable driving habits, I might believe 25-30, which would be consistent with reports.
We're trying to switch to hybrids and just bought a Honda Civic Hybrid to replace another car which is supposed to get 48-50mpg. However, after a number of months, attempting to drive optimally, many miles, trips, etc., it gets around 37-38mpg, especially on long highway trips at 70+mph.
So...what do I do? Buy the FEH? I don't know. I am somewhat disappointed that the hybrid mileage benefits are still so poor relative to what the technology should be able to deliver. My car's engine died today, so I guess I'll have to do something. :-/ I'm just not sure what that something will be.
"We're trying to switch to hybrids and just bought a Honda Civic Hybrid to replace another car which is supposed to get 48-50mpg. However, after a number of months, attempting to drive optimally, many miles, trips, etc., it gets around 37-38mpg, especially on long highway trips at 70+mph. "
I suggest a diesel. They are much better at long highway trips. Our Passat TDI will typically get 38-42 mpg at 70 mph cruise (in winter except in the deepest cold!) in straight highway driving, and it is a larger car than a Civic. Our Jetta will break 50 mpg on long highway trips. Diesels = highway, hybrid = city.
Dave, if you want good gas mileage, you have work on it. I thought the same about EPA's ratings and thought the FEH would get around 28 MPG. I own a FWD now and the worst I have gotten is 31MPG. The second worst was 36MPG. With 40.25MPG being my best so far, 37MPG is a good all around figure for me and my wife.
Gary - Your results certainly sound optimal. What, specifically, do you do to achieve those results with respect to your ongoing driving habits that might differ from what other people seem to report. And, when you see those mileage results, are you primarily the only driver with no other cargo in the vehicle? If so, do you have mileage results for when you are not the only person in the vehicle and when the SUV is loaded for a fun outing (which is, theoretically, why you would need an SUV). Thanks for any insight you can provide.
In the case of the Honda Civic Hybrid, it begins to pale rapidly under load. If any out-of-work jockeys are looking for jobs as Hybrid EPA rating test drivers for Honda, send in your resumes!
After purchasing ours, we noticed that it had a cargo limit of 800 lbs. (I think that's right). So, if you're planning on carting around 4 big guys, that's probably not a good idea. :-) I'm not sure how that compares to other non-hybrid cars in the same class, however.
I'll have to check - does anyone know if the FEH has a reduced weight allowance vs. the gas-only version? Does anyone have any off-road mileage stats?
Dave, as for the 800 pound rating, that's probably going to be the same as every other subcompact. The Civic is in the same size/weight class as the normal Civic, the Corolla, the Cavalier (now called the Cobolt), the Mazda 3, Neon, Focus, and so on. All will have about the same weight rating, usually 800-1000 pounds.
Dave - I am the primary driver but the FEH is now the family car. Everyone in my family is on the large size with me at 280 pounds. With regard to the weight effect on the FEH, it does real well. The only thing that seems to matter is taking off on Electric. Keeping it in elec. mode from a start to 32MPH is harder but can be done with a full load. Weight does effect gas mileage but alot less than you would think. The tork of the electric motor helps.
My wife drives the FEH like she drives any other car with no regard of the electric motor or saving gas. She has a heavy foot BTW. She mainly drives the kids places, shopping, etc. and she always drops my computer 15 min. average of about 41.5MPG a few MPG.
Right now the FEH is in the driveway with a 15min average of 55MPG on the computer. I filled up yesterday and reset the computer. I drove about twelve miles along the Jupiter Island coast where the speed limit is 30MPH most of the way. With my battey fully charged, I can stay on elec. only for about 1.6 miles at 30MPH. The engine starts up (1500RPM's at 30MPH) to charge the battery for about the same distance (1.6 miles) and the battery is full and ready for another 1.6 miles on electric, just tap the brakes. During this drive along the coast, the computer stayed at Max MPG which is 60MPG or above. The reason I have 55MPG on the computer is because I had to drive in rush hour three miles to my driveway from the Island.
I try to find as many routes like this as I can so when I get on the Interstate, fast traffic etc. My average is overall great. Parking the FEH with a low battery is also my goal. The engine will alway run till it reaches a set temp., why not let it charge the battery during this time. I also reset the computer at differant speeds to find out at what speed I got the best average MPG with the engine. Between 40-46MPH the computer average stays at around 42MPG. Under 40 and over 46MPH the mileage drops off due to overdrive (under 40) and wind resistances (above 46MPH). I try to drive routes with a 40-45MPH speed limit also. Normally you would choose a lane at a stop light with no big truck in front of you. I choose the big truck lane so I can take off as slow as it and stay on elec. longer. I use speed control on elec. and gas speeds. Others have said it reduced gas mileage. Not here in South FL.
I've also noticed that if I continually push the reset button on the display screen, I can achieve unbelievably high MPG rates. I've gotten 55 mpg getting groceries. But as my husband says, this isn't a computer game.
I've had my car over 4 months, and with 4000 miles on it, I figure my MPG using the "old fashioned" method of miles per tank of gas. I get 30-32 mpg consistently in my 2WD FEH. I think realistically this is what most drivers can expect. I get this no matter if I'm alone in the car, travelling with a full load of family and bikes, climbing hills, or cruising on the freeway...it seems to average out the same each tank of gas.
That said, I love my car, and am happy with the fuel economy.
Joan, if your happy with 30-32MPG, that's fine. I was not talking about resetting your computer to make it seem you are getting better gas mileage. I was stating it was a test to find the best gas mileage at a set speed. This is with a fully charged battery in ideal conditions.
The point I was tring to make was if you want better gas mileage with the FEH, it's up to you to find routes and control the SUV to save gas. What I like about my FEH, it give me that choice to run on elec, gas or both. When my wife drives the FEH, I have to work harder to get the computer average back to 41MPG, not reset the computer. This is not easy in some cases but my average is much better than 30-32MPG. It maybe because of living in a flat area in warm weather, I'm not sure. I just know I control the MPG better than than I ever did before.
I'm happy with my FEH at 37-40MPG also.
My two-day-old FEH is getting about 22 in town and 26 on the highway. No, those aren't typos. The catch is, I'm in Minnesota and it's still a bit chilly here, so I'm guessing it takes the thing a while to warm up.
Yesterday on my way home from work, I cruised two blocks on battery only, three separate times. It'll get better as the weather warms and as I get used to driving for economy, looking for the best tradeoffs in economy vs. "zip".
Oh, and no dealer premium! I told my dealer that unless he told me where he was getting the killa ganja he was smoking (to think I'd pay above MSRP), then I wouldn't pay no five thousand dolla, mon. He wouldn't tell, so I didn't pay. Worked out great! :)
Staying in the elec. mode is the key. Saving gas was my first goal but now I've gone to saving battery life also. If you have the nav computer, you can watch the battery level and which way power is going. You'll find that when your on elec. and let off the gas pedal, you stop draining the battery. I found that cruise control on elec at 32MPH was nice but it also keeps the pedal draining the battery. The more use of the battery the longer it takes the engine to run to charge the battery. This causes the engine to use more gas to charge and drive.
Same thing is true in the engine mode regarding the use of gas. Get off the pedal whenever you can and coast to slow traffic or stops. Also, when you reach your desired speed, let off the pedal to stop the high revs from the CVT. The trans will settle alot quicker and you save alot of gas.
You control the pedal and the pedal controls the MPG. As far as weather, if you have a garage, use it. Not much else you can do.