Have anyone done research comparing the civic and the prius? Which is he better vehicle?
Have anyone done research comparing the civic and the prius? Which is he better vehicle?
That depends. I looked into this three years ago and decided the Honda Civic Hybrid filled my needs/wants better than the Prius. (Plus I wouldn't have to wait for months - I walked in to the dealer and drove out.)
My (admittedly overly simplistic) opinion was that the Honda Civic Hybrid seemed to be optimized for highway driving and the Prius seemed to be optimized for city driving; that the Honda is mechanically simpler than the Prius; and it simply looks better (i.e., more like a normal car).
My car now has 82,000 miles on it and has not had one problem. My wife liked mine so much we bought her one too.
Your mileage may vary.
I bought an '05 HCH, for the reasons Paul so well stated.
Although the EPA mileage numbers are higher on the Prius, the greenhybrid.com mileage database suggests that real-world mileage of the HCH and Prius is about the same.
I think they're both good cars, so which is the "better" car will likely be subjective call that only you can make based on whatever criteria are most important to you.
If your looking to buy I think next month the 2006 Civic hybrid comes out with new design engine with improved mileage and horsepower. And if you can wait till jan. 1, 2006 the tax incentives also are better on either car. I drive a 2005 HCH am satisfied. However I might have bought Prius if the chance purchase one occured The shortest wait time on the least desired model and color was 3-4 months.
i work with a guy who has a prius, i have a HCH - and we get similar mileage. the prius being maybe 2 or 3 MPG higher. for our driving style TODAY.
i suspect the HCH is slightly cheaper, and slightly more available.
~ and i never really liked the prius "styling".
I have a civic - for the same reasons Paul mentioned. And I love it (more each day as the price of gas soars here in VA).
If cost is an issue, i.e., tradeoff in cost of car vs. gas savings, the availability of the civic is a factor (at least the 2005s). I was able to even cut a deal on mine - I paid about $1000 under sticker, which you cannot do with any other hybrid that I know of.
I'm leaning twards the Prius, but I'm with you on the style point, the needs to improve it's style.
But in support of the Prius, I'm surprised that the HCH and the Prius appear in parity. Consumer reports recently ran a study and found the Prius about 20% more fuel efficent than the Civic.
"Fuel Economy & MPG"
I loved my old all-gas Honda Civic, but I bought a Prius when I went hybrid.
Why? Mostly space. It truly rivals a small SUV for hauling the kind of junk we all occasionally do. It was nice to be able to help a friend move a 42" wide-screen TV, and I can go to the nursery and bring home bales of hay or bags of peat moss or whatever with no problem. Even an 80-gallon rain barrel! You just flip the rear seats down, pop out the bar that stretches across behind them, and there you are.
Plus the options on Prius (which do make it more expensive) like airbags everywhere, vehicle stability control, and hands-free phone and GPS were not available for the Civic.
Yes the Prius does have a little more room then the '06 Civic's, but the "airbags everywhere" are standard on the '06 Civic, and you can get a voice responce Navigation option if you want.
I have an '06 HCH on order.
Toyota use to say they were the only FULL hybrid on the market. That has changed for 06. The HCH is now a full hybrid and has voice activated navigation available. Considering the 3k price difference, I believe the HCH is the better deal.
The MSRP's for the 2006 HCH is $21,850 and for the 2005 Prius is $21,860 (It may go up a couple of hundred or two for the 2006), so there isn't a $3K difference. I compared both and chose a Prius for the size difference, it is simply just much more versatile in what you can haul, and because of the performance.
I don't think there are really any obvious ways in which one is better than the other. It all depends on what you like and are looking for in a car.
I was wondering, does the voice navigation on the HCH, does it do voice commands for other functions (like audio or a/c), like the Prius does or is it just for the navigation? In addition, there are some features, like Smart Entry Smart Start (it is really great), Traction Control, Vehicle Stability Control, Bluetooth, Tire Air Pressure Sensor, and HID headlights, which do make the Prius more expensive. There are also some things you might find standard on the HCH that aren't on the Prius. It just goes back to what is important to you.
In terms of economy, I think the Prius has a higher ceiling in it's capability (i.e. the recent 110mpg marathon), but for most people, the mpg numbers will be similar. The common moniker that the HCH is better for highway and the Prius is better for city is a n erroneous oversimplification.
I would suggest to anyone trying to decide between the two to test drive both of them to compare them. Or try to get both on an extended test drive to see what they are like.
I have a 2003 HCH and I'm leaning hard toward getting a Prius (and passing the HCH to my son). For me, the fold-down seats and carrying space are a big factor. But the other important issue (until tonight?) was the broiling Arizona heat. The HCH uses the gas engine to run A/C, and I lose about 8 mpg on a hot day. I read somewhere that the Prius runs the A/C with the electrical system. Then tonight a Toyota salesman told me that's not correct, though what he literally said was that the gas engine on the Prius has to be running when A/C is on, and that gas mileage suffers about 10 mpg loss. Now, I know salesmen are unreliable sources (they lie or make something up), but this one said he'd just been to a seminar where it was discussed. I'd like to get another opinion... anyone know? (And I heard the HCH 2006 has switched the A/C to the electrical system. Kudos to Honda for that.)
The fold-down rear seats and carrying space mentioned in the previous post are definitly something to consider, however the way I see it, you can leave the seats up and seat 4, but only have luggage space for 2 people, OR you can fold the seats down, have seating for 2 and enough luggage space for 4 !!
On the A/C question, the '06 Honda runs off either the ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) or an electric motor. Here is a link to a good 9 minute Video that shows the new Honda VTEC engine, and also talks about the dual mode A/C compressor
I was on the fence between Prius and Honda Civic for a long time as both have advantages and disdvantages. The final straw for our family (wife and son) was the very obstructed view thru the rear view mirror. The Prius has a slanted back window and then a nearly vertical "window". There is a divider between the two and it is smack dab in the middle of your line of site looking in the rear view mirror. Very annoying and personally I think a safty hazard. I also liked the side curtin airbags that are standard on the Honda. And one final thing was the controls on the Honda were more "normal" then the Prius. A power button and joystick shifter, while functional, are just a little odder then I liked!
It probably doesn't matter whether you use a Prius or an HCH - running the A/C is going to significantly impact your gas mileage simply because your gasoline is being used to cool the car, not move it along. This is a simple fact of physics and the more efficient the car is at driving (high MPG), the more the effect of running the A/C will appear to have*. It doesn't matter much whether the A/C is electric or mechanical. This is just something that we'll have to get used to: As we increase our efficiency in one area, places we normally didn't notice before, will seem worse. Assuming no gasoline was consumed to move the car, all the gasoline you put into the car would only be used to cool it.
What electric A/C will provide you with, however, is the ability of the car to shut off the gasoline engine when you stop without losing the A/C as one does in the HCH today. I don't know about the Prius but the Highlander Hybrid has the electric A/C.
What will improve the A/C performance is a more efficient A/C system. Presumably, heat pump based systems as the Highlander Hybrid has will be more efficient than normal A/C although I haven't seen any hard evidence to prove this.
* Algebra can show that if you see an 8 mpg drop from your normal mpg (assuming normally you got 40 mpg at 60 mph) you're A/C is burning about 0.375 gph (gallons per hour). From this we can see that this same air conditioner will only take about 0.5 mpg for 10 mpg vehicle. For vehicles that get 20, 30, 60, and 100 mpg vehicle, you'll see 2.2, 4.7, 16, and 38 mpg drops respectively caused when you run the A/C. If you go entirely on the mpg hit that the A/C gets, you might as well buy a Hummer. Otherwise, you'll have to recognize the cost of airconditioning.
I test drove an '05 Prius before deciding on the Civic and after taking a test drive we stopped in front of the dealer while the salesman pointed out the display, etc. and the AC was running, but not the ICE, so it must have an electric motor driven compressor or dual mode, like the '06 Civic
I live in Canada and am unsure if colder temperatures (igloos ya know) have an impact on fuel efficiency?
No matter which one you choose, if you choose hybrid it's a good thing.
I have chosen the Toyota path on Prius and Highlander. The on button and shift that Larry finds odd is exactly that. Odd.
Change is difficult. I find the start function of the Highlander odd. I turn the key to the so called start position and nothing happens. No grinding of the starter and whir of the engine. Nothing. Now the start button of the Prius makes sense to me. I push the button to turn on the computer. The boot up time is significantly shorter that that of my PC but the function is the same.
As for the shifter, well it really isn't. It's a mode select. Coming from the industrial environment, that makes sense to me too. Select a mode and you are ready to go. My understanding is that the Honda lever actually does shift a transmission, so it is infact a shift lever.
Finally, the Toyota drive system is different. It is a farily radical departure from the automobile we are familiar with. It is not a transmission and therefore does not have all the mechanical parts of a transmission. It has an industrial style gearbox with sun and star gears that give either or both power systems access to drive the vehicle.
Oh yea and the gas pedal really isn't. It might more accurately be described as the accelerator. So change may be viewed as either good or bad but it is most definitely different.
Anybody actually bought a 2006 hch yet?
I'm not sure they've been released yet. The dates from dealers keep getting later and later.
Looks vs. Quirks
Prius will give you the goodies of more interior room, cargo room, electronic bells and whistles (Bluetooth phone, rear camera, 6 disc in dash changer, smart key) more cup holders... while the civic offers a .6 second faster accel from 0-60, normal looks (the civic hybrid isn't nearly as cool looking as the civic coupe) and a cool blueish dash. Other than that, the cars are the same. Depending on where you live, the tax incentives make the cars similar in price... fully loaded (minus the leather) the Prius is about $2500 more. I think I'm going for a 2005 Prius (If I can get one) because it still has a cassette player and I have a ton of cassettes! That and the fact that I've ordered some extra parts to turn the Nav into a video game screen.
I had mentioned earlier that there was a $3k price difference. I was referring to a fully load civic vs. a fully loaded prius (both with navigation). The extras that come with the $3k in my opinion aren't worth the added cost.
I also did not like the blind spot on the Prius.
I have also heard that the Prius uses special tires that only the dealership can get. So if you get a blowout or any tire damage, you can expect to pay a premium to replace it.
As far as the civic goes, the airbags are standard, it now has turn signals on the mirrors, cool dash board, a real shifting CVT transmission, its quicker and it blends in with other civics.
Referring to the $3k price difference, just because you don't believe an option is worth the cost doesn't mean that you can then just write it off. Compare apples to apples, not apples to oranges. I mean, why not just compared a loaded Prius to a HCH without Nav to see a $5k price difference? To some, the extra options are worth the cost.
The Prius uses Goodyear Integrity tires. I haven't had to replace any, but it is a tire that can be gotten at other places besides a dealer. No premium is necessary.
I actually like the back window of the Prius. The bar across the bottom blocks out many of the headlights from taller vehicles and having the bottom portion allows me to see small things (hydrants, tricycles, small kids, etc) that might be behind me.
I like the unique styling of the Prius and like the fact that it doesn't look like any other car. The 2006 Civics have improved their looks, but no way would I have wanted an 04 or 05 Civic. Some people like a car that is different (for instance: I want to paint my car Oklahoma State University orange with some Pistol Petes and get a license plate saying Poke Pri). I just have to convince my wife!
To each his own though. The Prius isn't for eveyone, as the HCH isn't for everyone. The important thing is people can choose between their own personal needs and preferences.
Now that we have a baby, we will need to sell my my 2000 Honda Insight for either a Prius or HCH. I can't decide which but I know it will hurt to see the significantly lower mpg. Any suggestions from the family of hybrid owners? Consider the ease of removing strollers, packing baby stuff and room in the back seat for a baby car seat strapped in the middle.......Thanks...BTW, any idea on the asking price for my Insight? It's in good condition w/ minor scrapes and scratches.....
I have a Prius Pkg 6 in silver and I believe you will have more ease packing and unpacking in the prius from earlier post. 1-888-661-1171 you can call or email me [email protected]. I am in Jackson Tennessee. It list for $27,066.
Does anyone have any information on the cost of repairs on either the Prius or the Honda Civic Hybrid?
I'm told by a Toyota employee that battery repair requires a special Toyota facility and to confirm one is available in the city I live in prior to purchasing a Prius. He mentioned something about high temperatures being required for the intial set up of the battery. Only technicians with special training are allowed to make repairs to the electrical portion of the vehicle.
Has anyone else heard this and if so do you have any additional details?
Steve, Toyota can't make Priuses as fast as people want to buy them, so they're passing out all kinds of bogus information trying to discourage sales.
Congratulations Gail on your new baby and for not thinking that being a parent means needing an SUV!
No advice on which is better, though I love my HCH, and I think a stroller would fit in the trunk.
I am considering an hch and a hybrid highlander. On the Honda only the battery has an extended warranty. With Toyota, they extend the warranty on the whole hybrid system. Any comments?
10 Reasons why Prius is far better than the Honda.
1) The Honda Civic Hybrid (HCH) cannot power the power steering with the battery alone.
2) The HCH cannot operate the A/C system with battery alone.
3) The Prius has 295 ft-lbs. @ 0 rpm vs. the 76 ft-lbs. @ 0 rpm on the HCH
4) Prius is a Dual Overhead Cam engine with 16 valves vs. Honda's Single Overhead Cam engine and 8 valves ( the more valves the more economy and the better your engine will breathe)
5) The Horse power in the Electric motor on the Prius is 67 Hp. On the Honda it is a mere 20Hp.
6) The prius has a lot more cargo capacity. 16.1 cu./ft. vs the HCH 10.4 cu./ft.
7) Prius is the best selling Hybrid, ever! (Guiness world of records).
8) Prius was Car of the year in 2004. HCH has never been car of the year.
9) You can get 714 miles to the gallon on the city with a Prius. With a HCH you can only get 615. (99 miles of difference)
10) Toyota stock as of 01/31/06 is $103.49. Honda is a mere $28.52
So, if you are trying to get a TRUE hybrid, consider Prius. Don't let me talk you out of buying a HCH, but when you resale the HCH you will suffer.
Oh, by the way, the HCH is not a true Hybrid like the Prius!!!!
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I would hope anyone reading this tread would realize a posting by a Toyota dealer, Mr. Ortiz, is going to be slightly biased !!
If bias alone is not enough to discount Mr. Ortiz, lets throw in some lies...Mr. Ortiz says "HCH has never been car of the year" - WRONG the '06 HCH is the 2006 Motor Trend Car of the Year and the 2006 North American Car of the Year. http://automobiles.honda.com/models/...ic+Sedan&Num=1
Mr. Ortiz says "You can get 714 miles to the gallon on the city with a Prius" WOW- I would like to see this, as it is more then 11x what the EPA claims !! For "real-world" milage (what your fellow drivers are getting) check out one of the following. The true is the HCH and Prius are within a couple of MPG
Please Mr. Ortiz, oth the HCH and the Prius are great cars. Let the people decided without adding your biased views and lies !
I just bought a HCH. I love it!
I am still on my first tank of gas.
I did not like the view out the back of the Pruis.
I also read articlaes that with real driverd on real roads the Civiv & Pruis were equal on milage( avg 45mpg).
It was also $2000 cheaper than the Pruis.
Funny that Toyota should raise prices $2,000 when the goverment gives a tax break of almost the same amount? Inside information?
I'v driven Honda for 10 years and also like the reliability. I also understand the Hybrid will be made in the USA in 2007.
Andrea - I fully agree with your comment, "I did not like the view out the back of the Pruis". This was one of the biggst reasons we went with the HCH over the Prius. The "bar" that seperated the sloped rear window and the nearly vertical window on the back, was dead in the middle of my field of view. My wife is nearly a foot shorter then I am and it was right in the middle of her view also. Dealer we spoke to said, "you will get used to it" and to be honest, he might be right, as Ihad not noticed it in the test drive I took, but my wife did (Does this mean she is more observant them I am ?!?!?).
I absolutely adore my HCH, it is a stick shift and from the Prius owners I know I find I get better gas mileage. But I think with most manual transmissions you tend to get better gas mileage. Besides that I love the style of my '05, it is a beautiful color, drives and handles wonderfully, and has great room for passengers.
When I bought the car I went in, picked my color and drove home with the one I wanted right from the Honda dealer, no waiting necessary. I also negotiated my price down and paid the MSRP price that included all options, taxes, tags, and an extended warranty.
I own a Toyota Prius AND Honda Civic Hyrbid, both in blue of course. I bout both because i couldnt deside on one or the other, plus i got the cash to blow. I enoy driving the Pruis More, because of its 21st centuray design.
Drive the Prius back to back with the '06 HCH and the Civic win's hands down in terms of handling, smoothness and overall responsiveness. In the Prius you sit high up with the non telescoping steering wheel almost flush to the dashboard. It is noisier, tippier and more subject to crosswinds.. in return you do get more utility with a larger/fold down rear seats and hatchback (which I prefer). I know this is a sweeping statement but if you don't like driving buy the Prius - you do get a lot of electronic toys and everyone will 'appreciate' the styling. I asked myself if i would buy the prius if it wasn't a hybrid and the answer was no. The HCH is a car i would buy even if it wasn't a hybrid.
We drove both and liked the HCH better. The Prius was nice, but my wife hated the interior and loved the new 06 HCH two-tier dash. We have 1600 miles on our HCH and we love it more today than the day we purchased it. I am a hair over 6' tall and the Prius was easier to get in and out of. No worries, I am waiting to drive (perhaps buy a second Hybrid) the New Camry Hybrid! :>) Much better styling than the odd-looking but ever-more present Prius.
O.K. One of the last questions: My wife has an '06 PRIUS and loves it. I have driven it a bit and find it a little difficult on the getting in/out portion (sterring wheel to seat ratio - im a bit large). Once in though its a decent fit. I love the buttons and gizmos but do not like the styling that well. Learning the gizmos is a little confusing and needs a course on full features by the dealers. Our bluetooth phones for some reason will drop/disconnect from the system and have to be re-connected (a pain since you can't do any adjusting while driving). Long distance backing or maneuvering is a bit of a pain, the built in camera is of no real help except for what is DIRECTLY behind (bikes/toys or trash cans). Not a good use for judging side objects (and I have a class III truck license). Adding "features" on the PRIUS seems to be very restrictive. Different wheels cant be done due to the tire pressure sensors in them. Remote start cant be done due to the starting method on the PRIUS. The HCH seems to offer a better platform to have a regular car with enhancements, while still enjoying the benefits of MPG and HOV access (for now). I have yet to take the plung on either (for myself this time) but as the clock tics, I'm getting impatient. Has someone else out there had the same indecision on the HCH vs. the PRIUS? And if so - what was the final straw(s) that swayed you? Anyone own an '06 HCH and have some input (good or bad)? Thanks!
I need to make a final decision by this weekend (lease expires on my old car) I constantly hear good things about the Prius but when I went for a test drive I thought the rear window resembled a roof window more than a rear window because of its position. I live in hilly area of a major car crazed city (I see bad accidents at least 3 a week very nearby) so I feel the need to have really good windows. The lack of a real trunk also discourages me. Although I haven't tested the Honda as yet (I will today) my main concern is that of regular maintainence & repairs do you find that you must go to the dealer or have any of you found that it is fine going to a regular mechanic. Any other thoughts you can share will also be appreciated. Thanks
I just got my HCH '06 and love it. The new-design Civics have many of the most-desired features in the Pruis and a well-equipped Civic will cost much less than a decked out Pruis. I have the voice-activated Navi system in mine and it is well-worht the almost $2K asking price. The dash layout, safety and comfort, along with availability and cost (I got mine under sticker with free dealer-installed options) amde it a quick choice. The tax break ($2100 credit on HCH) is nice as well. The Civic uses its gas engine more and the system is not quite as sophisticated as the Pruis, but it is also cheaper to maintain (at least the batteries if they ever do die). I'm sold on the Honda technology.