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	<title>Comments on: White House May Seek to Set 2025 CAFE Standards as High as 62 MPG</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/white-house-may-seek-set-2025-cafe-standard-high-62-mpg-28660/#comment-27310</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 02:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What the USA needs is immediate and substantial limitations on the power of the EPA and governmental agencies to impose such unreasonable standards, and to stop the destruction of the right of Americans to purchase and drive the vehicles that they prefer. The free market will take care of the problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the USA needs is immediate and substantial limitations on the power of the EPA and governmental agencies to impose such unreasonable standards, and to stop the destruction of the right of Americans to purchase and drive the vehicles that they prefer. The free market will take care of the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Bullis - Miastrada Company</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Bullis - Miastrada Company</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 06:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It all depends on what kind of nonsense is used to attach an &#039;mpg&#039; value to electric power of cars, plug-in hybrid, or all electric.  This nonsense can range from gibberish to outright almost but not exactly lying, to a bogus MPGE system to a roughly meaningful characteristic based on heat for respective types of power generation.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Electricity is not a fuel.  Power companies will use the cheap available coal fired generating capacity to make the electricity, and it has nothing to do with the &#039;mix&#039; of generating types in the status quo.  Coal is the fuel and electricity is the carrier of the fuel, much the same as a bicycle chain carries energy from one sprocket to another.  Electricity carries energy from one rotating machine to another.&lt;br /&gt;
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Coal systems are 31% efficient; average in the USA. &lt;br /&gt;
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So CO2 comparisons should be made on the assumption that marginal response to new loads will be coal, and the CO2 emitted per BTU of heat is about 35% higher for coal systems than gasoline.  Both coal and gasoline require processes that emit CO2 to get them to the point of conversion to heat, and these roughly balance each other. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It all depends on what kind of nonsense is used to attach an &#8216;mpg&#8217; value to electric power of cars, plug-in hybrid, or all electric.  This nonsense can range from gibberish to outright almost but not exactly lying, to a bogus MPGE system to a roughly meaningful characteristic based on heat for respective types of power generation.  </p>
<p>Electricity is not a fuel.  Power companies will use the cheap available coal fired generating capacity to make the electricity, and it has nothing to do with the &#8216;mix&#8217; of generating types in the status quo.  Coal is the fuel and electricity is the carrier of the fuel, much the same as a bicycle chain carries energy from one sprocket to another.  Electricity carries energy from one rotating machine to another.</p>
<p>Coal systems are 31% efficient; average in the USA. </p>
<p>So CO2 comparisons should be made on the assumption that marginal response to new loads will be coal, and the CO2 emitted per BTU of heat is about 35% higher for coal systems than gasoline.  Both coal and gasoline require processes that emit CO2 to get them to the point of conversion to heat, and these roughly balance each other. </p>
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		<title>By: veek</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/white-house-may-seek-set-2025-cafe-standard-high-62-mpg-28660/#comment-27307</link>
		<dc:creator>veek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 02:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[-Any mileage increases will actually come from the intelligence and efforts of engineers and product managers, not from the politicians in the photo cheaply trying to take credit for it. If we want to increase fuel economy we should put effort and money into technology, not rely on laws from a gang of incompetent and corrupt politicos.&lt;br /&gt;
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-Saying 74% of respondents favor 60+ mpg standards is like saying 74% of respondents favor ending global hunger.  If you want to see what those respondents are actually buying, however, don&#039;t look at the polls -- look at the industry sales figures.  You won&#039;t find that 74% efficient car support there!  It&#039;s far more likely that future mileage figures will be &quot;fudged&quot; than that they will get 60+ real-world mpg, unless fuel prices or registration fees for low-mileage cars/trucks go considerably higher, or unless our engineers and designers are given adequate support. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>-Any mileage increases will actually come from the intelligence and efforts of engineers and product managers, not from the politicians in the photo cheaply trying to take credit for it. If we want to increase fuel economy we should put effort and money into technology, not rely on laws from a gang of incompetent and corrupt politicos.</p>
<p>-Saying 74% of respondents favor 60+ mpg standards is like saying 74% of respondents favor ending global hunger.  If you want to see what those respondents are actually buying, however, don&#8217;t look at the polls &#8212; look at the industry sales figures.  You won&#8217;t find that 74% efficient car support there!  It&#8217;s far more likely that future mileage figures will be &#8220;fudged&#8221; than that they will get 60+ real-world mpg, unless fuel prices or registration fees for low-mileage cars/trucks go considerably higher, or unless our engineers and designers are given adequate support. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/white-house-may-seek-set-2025-cafe-standard-high-62-mpg-28660/#comment-27308</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lakecountyhybrid, while I don&#039;t agree with your Obama bashing ( and your suggestion is also only a covered up government intervention) and I don&#039;t think this is the place for comments like this .... I have to agree with you that you can get people only by their money. When comparing the cars driven in countries with high gas prices, everyone can see that the cars are both, smaller and more efficient. The US needs a &#039;luxury tax&#039; for dumb behavior like buying huge SUVs (at least for none commercial), higher gas prices would help. Seems like many Americans are not smart enough to rethink their choices in favor of the environment - they must see a true savings in the pocket, since this is all they care about. So higher gas prices and luxury tax seems to be the sad answer.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lakecountyhybrid, while I don&#8217;t agree with your Obama bashing ( and your suggestion is also only a covered up government intervention) and I don&#8217;t think this is the place for comments like this &#8230;. I have to agree with you that you can get people only by their money. When comparing the cars driven in countries with high gas prices, everyone can see that the cars are both, smaller and more efficient. The US needs a &#8216;luxury tax&#8217; for dumb behavior like buying huge SUVs (at least for none commercial), higher gas prices would help. Seems like many Americans are not smart enough to rethink their choices in favor of the environment &#8211; they must see a true savings in the pocket, since this is all they care about. So higher gas prices and luxury tax seems to be the sad answer.</p>
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		<title>By: BoilerCivicHy</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/white-house-may-seek-set-2025-cafe-standard-high-62-mpg-28660/#comment-27306</link>
		<dc:creator>BoilerCivicHy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2010 17:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is incorrect government intervention, another obama administration venture into messing with capitalism.  If you want to make auto manufactures make higher mileage cars, then make it so people want to buy higher mileage cars.  When gas skyrocketed, so did hybrid sales, so if you want to push the purchase of high efficiency cars, then make it worth while, the government can do this with taxes, and mostly usage taxes.  &lt;br /&gt;
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1.  Offer higher tax rebates on buying hybrids or other fuel efficient models&lt;br /&gt;
2.  Add a sales tax on inefficient cars like SUV&#039;s&lt;br /&gt;
3.  Add a higher gasoline tax&lt;br /&gt;
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All three of these give americans the choice on whether they want to pay to have a less efficient car, and it will drive up sales of higher efficiency cars, and thus the price on them will come down.  But of course our government is not smart enough to use the system to its advantage, no it would rather try to implement its own version of socialism on us all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is incorrect government intervention, another obama administration venture into messing with capitalism.  If you want to make auto manufactures make higher mileage cars, then make it so people want to buy higher mileage cars.  When gas skyrocketed, so did hybrid sales, so if you want to push the purchase of high efficiency cars, then make it worth while, the government can do this with taxes, and mostly usage taxes.  </p>
<p>1.  Offer higher tax rebates on buying hybrids or other fuel efficient models<br />
2.  Add a sales tax on inefficient cars like SUV&#8217;s<br />
3.  Add a higher gasoline tax</p>
<p>All three of these give americans the choice on whether they want to pay to have a less efficient car, and it will drive up sales of higher efficiency cars, and thus the price on them will come down.  But of course our government is not smart enough to use the system to its advantage, no it would rather try to implement its own version of socialism on us all.</p>
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		<title>By: Yegor</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/white-house-may-seek-set-2025-cafe-standard-high-62-mpg-28660/#comment-27305</link>
		<dc:creator>Yegor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2010 17:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a very simple solution to this confusion! Wherever they report on the news about CAFE standard they should always put EPA equivalent to it. So &lt;br /&gt;
CAFE 35 MPG equates to EPA 27 MPG&lt;br /&gt;
CAFE 62 MPG equates to EPA 44 MPG&lt;br /&gt;
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By the way 2011 Honda Accord 4 cylinder is CAFE 35 MPG (EPA 27 MPG) - already meats 2016 CAFE requirements!&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a very simple solution to this confusion! Wherever they report on the news about CAFE standard they should always put EPA equivalent to it. So <br />
CAFE 35 MPG equates to EPA 27 MPG<br />
CAFE 62 MPG equates to EPA 44 MPG</p>
<p>By the way 2011 Honda Accord 4 cylinder is CAFE 35 MPG (EPA 27 MPG) &#8211; already meats 2016 CAFE requirements!</p>
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		<title>By: Yegor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yegor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2010 19:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, CAFE numbers are different form EPA numbers and it is totally misleads people into believing that 2016 35 MPG is very strict. In reality Toyota and Honda already almost meat 2016 CAFE standard.  CAFE numbers for the same car are about 30% higher than EPA numbers. They should stop this confusion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, CAFE numbers are different form EPA numbers and it is totally misleads people into believing that 2016 35 MPG is very strict. In reality Toyota and Honda already almost meat 2016 CAFE standard.  CAFE numbers for the same car are about 30% higher than EPA numbers. They should stop this confusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2010 19:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CAFE numbers are the unadjusted combined MPGs derived from the same data as the EPA sticker MPG numbers.  The argument to use the unadjusted numbers is that the unadjusted numbers have been used from the beginning of CAFE.  I do not agree with this, but if I made the rules, any vehicle over 5000 pounds would require a commercial license, and to get a commercial would require a clean driving record for five years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CAFE numbers are the unadjusted combined MPGs derived from the same data as the EPA sticker MPG numbers.  The argument to use the unadjusted numbers is that the unadjusted numbers have been used from the beginning of CAFE.  I do not agree with this, but if I made the rules, any vehicle over 5000 pounds would require a commercial license, and to get a commercial would require a clean driving record for five years.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2010 19:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[if CAFE numbers are different than EPA numbers, then the CAFE standards do not mean a whole lot... ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if CAFE numbers are different than EPA numbers, then the CAFE standards do not mean a whole lot&#8230; </p>
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		<title>By: srland</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/white-house-may-seek-set-2025-cafe-standard-high-62-mpg-28660/#comment-27301</link>
		<dc:creator>srland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2010 15:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If we have not adapted fully electric by 2025 it&#039;s all over for the planet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we have not adapted fully electric by 2025 it&#8217;s all over for the planet.</p>
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