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		<title>By: Geddy</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/toyota-plans-subcompact-hybrid-25944/#comment-20272</link>
		<dc:creator>Geddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 04:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Without trying to be too harsh, Americans are the biggest hypocrites in existence.&lt;br /&gt;
Ok, that does sound harsh. It&#039;s still true.&lt;br /&gt;
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Having lived in Europe and the US I can safely say that they talk a big talk here but in reality they actually consume 3 or more times the natural resources of any other people group except maybe the Saudis.&lt;br /&gt;
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I ran a little experiment a few months ago.&lt;br /&gt;
Without qualification I asked people I knew if they were &#039;eco-minded&#039;, and if they were actively living in an &#039;eco-responsible&#039; manner. I made sure I used the lame &#039;eco&#039; terminology because liberals love to make up meaningless words.&lt;br /&gt;
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So, what did I find?&lt;br /&gt;
Everyone I polled said the same thing, &quot;Oh yes, we are very concerned, blah blah, global catastrophe, blah blah, do my part, etc, etc...&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
Fine.&lt;br /&gt;
Now the kicker: Every one of them drives a f***ing enormous 9mpg behemoth SUV. They&#039;re liars and they don&#039;t even see it. My boss thinks she needs a Cadillac Escalade to drive her kids to soccer practice. My coworker bought a 25&#039; long suburban for no reason whatsoever. &lt;br /&gt;
They&#039;re utterly clueless and won&#039;t ever change unless forced to. That&#039;s why I want fuel to go to $8 a gallon soooo badly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without trying to be too harsh, Americans are the biggest hypocrites in existence.<br />
Ok, that does sound harsh. It&#8217;s still true.</p>
<p>Having lived in Europe and the US I can safely say that they talk a big talk here but in reality they actually consume 3 or more times the natural resources of any other people group except maybe the Saudis.</p>
<p>I ran a little experiment a few months ago.<br />
Without qualification I asked people I knew if they were &#8216;eco-minded&#8217;, and if they were actively living in an &#8216;eco-responsible&#8217; manner. I made sure I used the lame &#8216;eco&#8217; terminology because liberals love to make up meaningless words.</p>
<p>So, what did I find?<br />
Everyone I polled said the same thing, &#8220;Oh yes, we are very concerned, blah blah, global catastrophe, blah blah, do my part, etc, etc&#8230;&#8221;<br />
Fine.<br />
Now the kicker: Every one of them drives a f***ing enormous 9mpg behemoth SUV. They&#8217;re liars and they don&#8217;t even see it. My boss thinks she needs a Cadillac Escalade to drive her kids to soccer practice. My coworker bought a 25&#8242; long suburban for no reason whatsoever. <br />
They&#8217;re utterly clueless and won&#8217;t ever change unless forced to. That&#8217;s why I want fuel to go to $8 a gallon soooo badly.</p>
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		<title>By: DJB</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/toyota-plans-subcompact-hybrid-25944/#comment-20271</link>
		<dc:creator>DJB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 03:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[IMHO, it is unfortunate that auto manufacturers only high(er) fuel mileage vehicle offerings are more expensive hybrids, and soon coming even more expensive pure electrics, like the Nissan Leaf. &lt;br /&gt;
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Almost 20 years ago Suzuki realized a small, light, car could be made and sold inexpensively in the US, without needing a hybrid drivetrain, and still return fuel mileage of close to 50 mpg. Of course I&#039;m referring to the Suzuki Swift/Geo Metro. &lt;br /&gt;
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Preferring to spend less on cars in the first place, as they are generally depriciating assets, I would welcome a modern version of the Swift/Metro: small, light, and affordable. &lt;br /&gt;
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Too bad for me that auto manufacturers have no interest in selling such cars in the USA. Prohibitions of current US government requirements not withstanding, many such &quot;kei&quot; cars are readily available from various manufacturers in the Asian market. &lt;br /&gt;
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A three-wheeled version of Asia&#039;s kei cars, would be an easy way for manufacturers to offer these kei car variants in the US, and circumvent US government regulations, as three-wheelers are classified as motorcycles. &lt;br /&gt;
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Having spent the last 20+ years in the US car business, I am fully aware that there is a large untapped US market segment for small, inexpensive, fuel efficient cars. Too bad that the auto manufacturers by and large choose to disregard this segment of the buying public.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMHO, it is unfortunate that auto manufacturers only high(er) fuel mileage vehicle offerings are more expensive hybrids, and soon coming even more expensive pure electrics, like the Nissan Leaf. </p>
<p>Almost 20 years ago Suzuki realized a small, light, car could be made and sold inexpensively in the US, without needing a hybrid drivetrain, and still return fuel mileage of close to 50 mpg. Of course I&#8217;m referring to the Suzuki Swift/Geo Metro. </p>
<p>Preferring to spend less on cars in the first place, as they are generally depriciating assets, I would welcome a modern version of the Swift/Metro: small, light, and affordable. </p>
<p>Too bad for me that auto manufacturers have no interest in selling such cars in the USA. Prohibitions of current US government requirements not withstanding, many such &#8220;kei&#8221; cars are readily available from various manufacturers in the Asian market. </p>
<p>A three-wheeled version of Asia&#8217;s kei cars, would be an easy way for manufacturers to offer these kei car variants in the US, and circumvent US government regulations, as three-wheelers are classified as motorcycles. </p>
<p>Having spent the last 20+ years in the US car business, I am fully aware that there is a large untapped US market segment for small, inexpensive, fuel efficient cars. Too bad that the auto manufacturers by and large choose to disregard this segment of the buying public.</p>
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		<title>By: Lois</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/toyota-plans-subcompact-hybrid-25944/#comment-20270</link>
		<dc:creator>Lois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 01:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why don&#039;t they make a hybrid RAV4?  I have a Prius, and would love a mini SUV, but want excellent gas mileage.  The gas mileage for the Highlander is not that impressive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t they make a hybrid RAV4?  I have a Prius, and would love a mini SUV, but want excellent gas mileage.  The gas mileage for the Highlander is not that impressive.</p>
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		<title>By: RKRB</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/toyota-plans-subcompact-hybrid-25944/#comment-20269</link>
		<dc:creator>RKRB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 04:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sure, a subcompact hybrid that tops the EPA mileage charts can advertise its bragging rights, help inflate CAFE figures for the manufacturer, and have a psychological impact. Nevertheless, those extra miles per gallon have little incremental effect on cost or energy use, and the hybrid system will add substantial cost for the buyer. If a subcompact Yaris hybrid gets 55 mpg, it will save about 20 gallons per year over a Prius (which sure seems like a far more comfortable and useful car) for 12,000 miles, and it will only save about 80 gallons compared with a 40 mpg car.  If we all drove 40 mpg cars or even 30 mpg cars, we would be going a long way towards energy sufficiency and a cleaner planet, and after all, that&#039;s the goal. Even a 55 mpg car, or even an electric vehicle, will be using fuel and polluting the air!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, a subcompact hybrid that tops the EPA mileage charts can advertise its bragging rights, help inflate CAFE figures for the manufacturer, and have a psychological impact. Nevertheless, those extra miles per gallon have little incremental effect on cost or energy use, and the hybrid system will add substantial cost for the buyer. If a subcompact Yaris hybrid gets 55 mpg, it will save about 20 gallons per year over a Prius (which sure seems like a far more comfortable and useful car) for 12,000 miles, and it will only save about 80 gallons compared with a 40 mpg car.  If we all drove 40 mpg cars or even 30 mpg cars, we would be going a long way towards energy sufficiency and a cleaner planet, and after all, that&#8217;s the goal. Even a 55 mpg car, or even an electric vehicle, will be using fuel and polluting the air!</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Graifer</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/toyota-plans-subcompact-hybrid-25944/#comment-20268</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Graifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed.  What we really need is a hybrid mini-van for all the soccer moms stop-and-go driving kids, pets, and groceries around suburbia.   Toyota has a hybrid Previa in Japan, but wont import it into the U.S. because they don&#039;t want to steal sales from the larger Sienna made and sold there.  Ford has demonstrated with the Fusion that they can engineer a good hybrid;  Maybe this is an opportunity to steal a march on Toyota, Honda, and Chrysler that have dominated the minivan market for years!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.  What we really need is a hybrid mini-van for all the soccer moms stop-and-go driving kids, pets, and groceries around suburbia.   Toyota has a hybrid Previa in Japan, but wont import it into the U.S. because they don&#8217;t want to steal sales from the larger Sienna made and sold there.  Ford has demonstrated with the Fusion that they can engineer a good hybrid;  Maybe this is an opportunity to steal a march on Toyota, Honda, and Chrysler that have dominated the minivan market for years!</p>
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		<title>By: FamilyGuy</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/toyota-plans-subcompact-hybrid-25944/#comment-20267</link>
		<dc:creator>FamilyGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please, not smaller cars.  Enough with the SUV stuff.  More for the family of four, please!  Some additional seating for visiting grandparents would be welcome.  I live in a very developed area, I don&#039;t need to go off roading with the SUV or haul tons of construction material.  I just want to drive on the streets and haul around my family.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please, not smaller cars.  Enough with the SUV stuff.  More for the family of four, please!  Some additional seating for visiting grandparents would be welcome.  I live in a very developed area, I don&#8217;t need to go off roading with the SUV or haul tons of construction material.  I just want to drive on the streets and haul around my family.</p>
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		<title>By: Samie</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/toyota-plans-subcompact-hybrid-25944/#comment-20266</link>
		<dc:creator>Samie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It must have been a tough decision for Honda to either go w/ the hybrid brand name of the Insight or apply their new generation to a new or existing subcompact or mid-sized sedan model.  The Insight is a interesting vehicle because it seems to be in the middle of options for consumers but in this case that&#039;s not a good place to be in.  Honda will have to revamp this model &amp; tech in a shorter time period say 3-4 years.  I suspect that the only way the Insight will be continued in the long-run is to offer a similar price &amp; driving range/experience that rivals the Prius.  Once subcompact hybrids like the Fit or Yaris come out they will squeeze out the marketing position of the Insight.  That is why if Honda wants to make the Insight their flagship of hybrid technology it must be improved &amp; will result in higher price tag.   &lt;br /&gt;
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Can I say if this story is correct it will be great news in expanding the hybrid market beyond where it is today.  I actually see sub compact hybrids being a huge hit in N. America only if they receive 50mpg+&lt;br /&gt;
&amp; have enough power/ acceleration for normal interstate driving.  &lt;br /&gt;
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One last thought, I can understand from a car manufactures point of view that you want to develop a hybrid brand before applying tech to other fleet vehicles so that when more options come along consumers don&#039;t abandon a Prius b/c a hybrid Yaris is cheaper &amp; may get similar mpgs.  And at first the new generation Prius was a bit of a yawner but considering the improved power it was actually a smarter decision to focus on improving hp instead of mpgs so when a hybrid Yaris comes out they don&#039;t compete for the same type of drivers or say driving experience.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It must have been a tough decision for Honda to either go w/ the hybrid brand name of the Insight or apply their new generation to a new or existing subcompact or mid-sized sedan model.  The Insight is a interesting vehicle because it seems to be in the middle of options for consumers but in this case that&#8217;s not a good place to be in.  Honda will have to revamp this model &#038; tech in a shorter time period say 3-4 years.  I suspect that the only way the Insight will be continued in the long-run is to offer a similar price &#038; driving range/experience that rivals the Prius.  Once subcompact hybrids like the Fit or Yaris come out they will squeeze out the marketing position of the Insight.  That is why if Honda wants to make the Insight their flagship of hybrid technology it must be improved &#038; will result in higher price tag.   </p>
<p>Can I say if this story is correct it will be great news in expanding the hybrid market beyond where it is today.  I actually see sub compact hybrids being a huge hit in N. America only if they receive 50mpg+<br />
&#038; have enough power/ acceleration for normal interstate driving.  </p>
<p>One last thought, I can understand from a car manufactures point of view that you want to develop a hybrid brand before applying tech to other fleet vehicles so that when more options come along consumers don&#8217;t abandon a Prius b/c a hybrid Yaris is cheaper &#038; may get similar mpgs.  And at first the new generation Prius was a bit of a yawner but considering the improved power it was actually a smarter decision to focus on improving hp instead of mpgs so when a hybrid Yaris comes out they don&#8217;t compete for the same type of drivers or say driving experience.</p>
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		<title>By: nyc solar</title>
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		<dc:creator>nyc solar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 04:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the real problem is that people in the US do not buy cars because they are cheap.  In fact, we just cost as an excuse not to buy cars that are good for the environment.  The average person who refuses to buy a hybrid because it&#039;s too expensive will go out and buy a gas guzzling SUV for $40k or more.  Americans wear cars like clothes.  We buy for image and status as well as the ability to kill anything we crash into while texting on our cell phones.  Styling and image sell better than performance and economic sense.  This is why BMW and Mercedes&#039; marketshare skyrocketed since the 1980s....  They have the right image.  If they sold their cars in the $20k range, no one would want them.  Why is a Lamborghini cool?  Because it costs $300k.  It&#039;s fast...  but so are cars that are $100k.  Even a $50k Lotus is fast.  The cost is what makes it rare and why they are always sold out.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the real problem is that people in the US do not buy cars because they are cheap.  In fact, we just cost as an excuse not to buy cars that are good for the environment.  The average person who refuses to buy a hybrid because it&#8217;s too expensive will go out and buy a gas guzzling SUV for $40k or more.  Americans wear cars like clothes.  We buy for image and status as well as the ability to kill anything we crash into while texting on our cell phones.  Styling and image sell better than performance and economic sense.  This is why BMW and Mercedes&#8217; marketshare skyrocketed since the 1980s&#8230;.  They have the right image.  If they sold their cars in the $20k range, no one would want them.  Why is a Lamborghini cool?  Because it costs $300k.  It&#8217;s fast&#8230;  but so are cars that are $100k.  Even a $50k Lotus is fast.  The cost is what makes it rare and why they are always sold out.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.Bear</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/toyota-plans-subcompact-hybrid-25944/#comment-20264</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr.Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought the Yaris Hybrid was announced by Toyota back in March.  I&#039;m not sure what in this story is new information.  I&#039;m only surprised there isn&#039;t more talk of a Corolla Hybrid.&lt;br /&gt;
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In my opinion, the $19,800 base price has hurt the Insight.  Especially when the average Prius goes for less than $3,000 more.  If it had been priced at $17,500 as originally stated, the Insight would be a no-brainer for anyone looking for a compact.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the Yaris Hybrid was announced by Toyota back in March.  I&#8217;m not sure what in this story is new information.  I&#8217;m only surprised there isn&#8217;t more talk of a Corolla Hybrid.</p>
<p>In my opinion, the $19,800 base price has hurt the Insight.  Especially when the average Prius goes for less than $3,000 more.  If it had been priced at $17,500 as originally stated, the Insight would be a no-brainer for anyone looking for a compact.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob8756</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/toyota-plans-subcompact-hybrid-25944/#comment-20263</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob8756</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the point is missed in the article and the commentary, a mild hybrid system such that Honda uses and GM uses in their also poor selling hybrids (Malibu, Vue, etc) are not what people want.  The full hybrid system that Ford and Toyota offer is far superior.  The Insight&#039;s 13hp electric motor is simply a joke when compared to what Toyota and Ford offer.&lt;br /&gt;
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I think people who have hybrids enjoy being able to drive on electric power alone because it&#039;s cool (this is my opinion as a FFH owner and frequent Prius renter).  Honda simply doesn&#039;t have the &quot;right&quot; technology for the US market.&lt;br /&gt;
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In my opinion (and only time will tell), Honda will never have a popular US hybrid until it develops a full hybrid system that offers an &quot;EV&quot; experience.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the point is missed in the article and the commentary, a mild hybrid system such that Honda uses and GM uses in their also poor selling hybrids (Malibu, Vue, etc) are not what people want.  The full hybrid system that Ford and Toyota offer is far superior.  The Insight&#8217;s 13hp electric motor is simply a joke when compared to what Toyota and Ford offer.</p>
<p>I think people who have hybrids enjoy being able to drive on electric power alone because it&#8217;s cool (this is my opinion as a FFH owner and frequent Prius renter).  Honda simply doesn&#8217;t have the &#8220;right&#8221; technology for the US market.</p>
<p>In my opinion (and only time will tell), Honda will never have a popular US hybrid until it develops a full hybrid system that offers an &#8220;EV&#8221; experience.</p>
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