Comments on: Taxes and Fees Not Included: Governments Choose Cars and Fuels

By: J.G.

J.G. — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 00:46:36 +0000

This is a very progressive website Which intent to make you think that by limiting your moving range buying a traceable trackable car which is GPS traced 24/7 since they are planning on a very near future to tax mileage since they wont make much money from gas and they will not tell you the downfall of Hybrids fuel cells because this cars have Fuel Cells “batteries” when this batteries go bad they are highly toxic and none reusable and when I mean toxic I mean 100 times more toxic than car emission fumes because of the mix of chemicals and active minerals inside. and they wont tell you that to create these batteries which most components comes from mines they are digging gigantic holes in other countries to extract the minerals. Honestly all this green stuff is a shuffle of wealth from capitalist to Progressives and communist, socialist around the world. Because the most unimportant thing they wont tell you ios that they can shut down your hybrid car from anywhere regardless of distance since they are satellite tracked. Thanks you for promoting more control from Government and to make redistribution of wealth more broad.

By: tapra1

tapra1 — Wed, 14 Mar 2012 13:00:24 +0000

taxes cars and their fuel as heavily as any other country in Europe. No sign there of the fuel subsidies prevalent in other oil producing countries like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, or Venezuela. Best Dedicated Hosting

By: Cliff Sallas

Cliff Sallas — Fri, 02 Mar 2012 14:31:22 +0000

The price of gas would be close to the same price we are paying in the US except that the uk puts a 75% or more tax on their gasoline. Another reason why we need the government out of our lives. Obama wants to make you think that the price they are paying at the pump for gas is for the gas but that is a lie they don’t include the enormous tax that is placed on every liter.

By: JamesDavis

JamesDavis — Tue, 29 Mar 2011 20:24:41 +0000

I am very proud of you, "Shines", you can understand when you want to and I am glad to hear that you are a good environmentalist - sorry "Shines"! I didn't mean to call you that name. Hang in there "Shines", you will get the hang of it eventually.

I express myself differently than you do, but that doesn't mean I am calling you names. None of those descriptive words are proper nouns...they are descriptive observations and that is not name calling.

I know that you must be as upset as I am about our American automakers dragging their heels in providing us with affordable electric cars. You even got tired of waiting and bought yourself an electric bicycle. But, you know "Shines", the American automakers still do not get the point.

And I do not own a Ford F150...my brother-in-law and sister does. I am stuck with the Mustang until the Ford electric Fusion comes out on the market.

By: Shines

Shines — Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:25:46 +0000

calling me a lazy American is not name calling? An oil drinker is not name calling? I believe my 2001 4 cyl Camry uses less fossil fuel than your Mustang or F150. No where in my post do I desire to “continue down the fossil path or environmental descruction”. I like you wish I could afford an electric car. I do have an electric vehicle – in that I have an electrical assist bicycle which I commute to work in when the weather cooperates. At least some days of the year I travel without using fossil fuels or causing environmental destruction. As far as no desire to teach me or anyone – well, keep posting – I learn something every time you do. ;-p

By: JamesDavis

JamesDavis — Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:11:04 +0000

“Shines”, I was not calling you any names. I was expressing a behavioral pattern you seem to always take “provide a link” when someone disagrees with your desires to continue down the fossil path or environmental destruction. I am not your teacher – it is not my job, and I have no desire for it to ever be, to teach you or anyone else about the dangers of fossil fuel or the benefits of a total electrical fleet of vehicles.

To me, you just seem to be a lazy American who wants someone else do your work for you. Do you own research “Shines”, you will learn a lot more and you will appreciate the knowledge you gain a lot more.

By: Shines

Shines — Mon, 28 Mar 2011 18:09:28 +0000

James Davis – If you had data to prove your point I would think you would be glad to share it so others could learn. However instead you choose to start name calling, which only makes me doubt your authenticity. You say read these magazines… what Hybridcars and plugincars.com? I do read well enough thank you – Nothing I read (except your posts) says “It takes a fraction of the cost, time and materials to build an electric vehicle as it does a fossil fuel vehicle…”
I will not stoop to name calling…
On multiple sites (wickipedia being the most well known) the price of the Leaf in Japan is 3.76 million yen which is equivilent to $46323, In Britain it is 28350 British Pounds or $45586 and in the other european countries the price is 35000EU which converts to $49403. Here is the US it is $32780 – a relative bargain. Sure there were reports that the Leaf would sell between $25K and $30K and with the current government incentives you can get a leaf for less than $30k. Right now the average American worker may not be able to afford a new electric vehicle, but the fact that there are viable electric vehicles available says a lot. I remember looking at the first LCD tv’s prices at $20k. Now they are under $500. As battery technology and availability improve the price of EVs will come down. BTW if I drank any oil it would be either Canola, Olive or Fish oil (not counting bacon grease)

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 28 Mar 2011 15:36:39 +0000

From the article: "As an example of how the retail prices of cars vary within Europe, consider this: In the UK, a MINI Cooper has an on-the-road price of around $24,000—already pretty expensive compared with a price of around $20,000 in the U.S. "

Do you realise you are comparing the 'on-the-road price' in the UK with MSRP in the U.S. BEFORE taking into account sales tax, license fee payable?

A better and fairer comparison would be listed price before VAT/license fee/road tax in the UK, i.e. GBP11,883.33 according to Mini UK web site.

By: JamesDavis

JamesDavis — Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:08:10 +0000

You know, “Shines”, that is the typical response from an oil drinker. Why would anyone need to provide a link to what they say just to condone your laziness. Read these magazines and reports for yourself. They are all right out there and free of charge to read. If you had just read the articles in this magazine and its sister magazine, or the reports on alternative batteries, you would realize that most all electric cars, like the Leaf was priced under $25,000.00 and the most comfortable ones under $35,000.00 until GM jacked the Volt, which is not an electric car and never will be, up over $40,000.00 and all the other auto makers followed suit. Compare the Leaf’s price in Japan or Europe to the Leaf’s price in America and you will see what I mean. The American auto makers are screwing the American people until they can milk fossil fuel for every drop they can and it is GM that is leading the pack. And I am not going to provide a link for you to prove what I just said. “Shines”, you are a lazy American and no one should condone your laziness.

By: Shines

Shines — Sat, 26 Mar 2011 00:34:03 +0000

JamesDavis you say, “It takes a fraction of the cost, time and materials to build an electric vehicle as it does a fossil fuel vehicle, …” Can you provide a link to or data to back how you determine this?
I believe the major reason some automakers are reluctant to switch to EVs is because it is so cheap to build fossil fuel vehicles. I can buy a small car for $15K. The cheapest electic vehicle I am aware of is the Zen electric city car – which is very small and has a max speed of 35 mph – it costs $25K. There is world competition to build the best vehicles. If a country could produce a reliiable electric vehicle for cheap I am sure they would. The Nissan Leaf seems to be the best so far and its MSRP is over $30k. Ford is going to produce an EV this year and I bet it will start at more than $30k. I consider myself a realist. I don’t think there is any conspiracy to not build EVs. It is that the fossil fuel infrastructure is very well established and it will take time to change it. To see Nissan Leafs driving down the road is exciting – the change has begun. When I travel I see many wind farms across our nation – that is exciting also.
Oh and I don’t think hydrogen is safe. It has plenty of properties that make it just as unsafe as most fossil fuels…
In any case EVs are here to stay and their price will be coming down.