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		<title>By: Rob Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regarding Jak&#039;s question above about the payback period of solar used for cars vs. regular household use.  The answer is it pays off a lot faster.  For example, here are the number using the current incentives here in AZ:&lt;br /&gt;
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Miles per year: 12,045 (33 miles every day)&lt;br /&gt;
Assumed Efficiency: 250 AC Wh/mi&lt;br /&gt;
Annual Consumption: 3,011 AC kWh&lt;br /&gt;
Required DC System Rating: 1.88kW (@1600 kWh/yr/kW DC)&lt;br /&gt;
Assumed System lifetime: 20 years&lt;br /&gt;
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Est Upfront Cost: $13,174  (assumed $7/W installed)&lt;br /&gt;
Util Rebate: -$5,646&lt;br /&gt;
AZ Tax Rebate: -$1,000&lt;br /&gt;
Fed Tax Rebate: -$3,952&lt;br /&gt;
System Net Cost: $2,576&lt;br /&gt;
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Low Fuel Offset Estimate: 5,236 gallons (vs. 46mpg)&lt;br /&gt;
High Fuel Offset Estimate: 10,950 gallons (vs. 22mpg)&lt;br /&gt;
Est 20 Year Av Gasoline Price: $2.73 ($2/gal, increasing at 3% per year)&lt;br /&gt;
Est Value of Offset Fuel: $14,294 - $29,893&lt;br /&gt;
Break Even Point: &lt;5 years - &lt;2.5 years&lt;br /&gt;
Annualized ROI: ~23% - ~53%&lt;br /&gt;
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This analysis is for the solar alone.  It does not include the cost of the conversion, or premium for a factory PHEV.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Jak&#8217;s question above about the payback period of solar used for cars vs. regular household use.  The answer is it pays off a lot faster.  For example, here are the number using the current incentives here in AZ:</p>
<p>Miles per year: 12,045 (33 miles every day)<br />
Assumed Efficiency: 250 AC Wh/mi<br />
Annual Consumption: 3,011 AC kWh<br />
Required DC System Rating: 1.88kW (@1600 kWh/yr/kW DC)<br />
Assumed System lifetime: 20 years</p>
<p>Est Upfront Cost: $13,174  (assumed $7/W installed)<br />
Util Rebate: -$5,646<br />
AZ Tax Rebate: -$1,000<br />
Fed Tax Rebate: -$3,952<br />
System Net Cost: $2,576</p>
<p>Low Fuel Offset Estimate: 5,236 gallons (vs. 46mpg)<br />
High Fuel Offset Estimate: 10,950 gallons (vs. 22mpg)<br />
Est 20 Year Av Gasoline Price: $2.73 ($2/gal, increasing at 3% per year)<br />
Est Value of Offset Fuel: $14,294 &#8211; $29,893<br />
Break Even Point: &lt;5 years - &lt;2.5 years<br />
Annualized ROI: ~23% &#8211; ~53%</p>
<p>This analysis is for the solar alone.  It does not include the cost of the conversion, or premium for a factory PHEV.</p>
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		<title>By: steverino</title>
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		<dc:creator>steverino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 21:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s the payback for a car that has a built-in to safety net for the next gas embargo? A plug-in hybrid is like an insurance policy against disruptions in oil supply. Ass you need to is look at what Russai did to Europe this winter when they embargoed natural gas during peak demand in winter. What is the payback for cars that lessen our dependence on oil imports? What is the payback for cars that don&#039;t send dollars to mid-east Shiekdoms who in turn fund religious extremists? The study apparently gives these considerations zero value.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the payback for a car that has a built-in to safety net for the next gas embargo? A plug-in hybrid is like an insurance policy against disruptions in oil supply. Ass you need to is look at what Russai did to Europe this winter when they embargoed natural gas during peak demand in winter. What is the payback for cars that lessen our dependence on oil imports? What is the payback for cars that don&#8217;t send dollars to mid-east Shiekdoms who in turn fund religious extremists? The study apparently gives these considerations zero value.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Sherwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Sherwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 01:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The CARB requirement to run the engine for a few minutes on startup is indeed what is causing the mileage on these plug-in hybrids to be so disappointing.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Our company 3Prong Power Inc. has a conversion that allows you to turn the motor off completely and drive around town up to 50mph as an electric vehicle only until you run out of battery power.  The engine never comes on in this mode.  Right now the mileage I get on my commute to work (admittedly less than 10 miles from my house) is infinity miles per gallon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CARB requirement to run the engine for a few minutes on startup is indeed what is causing the mileage on these plug-in hybrids to be so disappointing.  </p>
<p>Our company 3Prong Power Inc. has a conversion that allows you to turn the motor off completely and drive around town up to 50mph as an electric vehicle only until you run out of battery power.  The engine never comes on in this mode.  Right now the mileage I get on my commute to work (admittedly less than 10 miles from my house) is infinity miles per gallon.</p>
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		<title>By: jak</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/studies-question-plug-hybrid-mileage-25613/#comment-17659</link>
		<dc:creator>jak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 19:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We had the solar panels installed in 2004, a 2.5 kw array sized to cover 75% of our electricity needs yearly. With rebate from the state of California and tax deduction, it came out to about $18,000. I think it would be around $12,000 today (and today you can also lease panels, making the downpayment nothing). By eliminating outmoded appliances (primarily two pool pumps and a refrigerator) and switching to CFLs, we now have about 1000-2000 kwh per year of extra, depending on the year, that we typically give back to PG&amp;E, because California&#039;s NetMetering law doesn&#039;t allow you to be reimbursed (they since have introduced another tariff for that, but the NetMetering tariff is still more attractive for normal homeowners). Frankly speaking, having the solar array installed was one of the easiest home remodelling efforts I&#039;ve ever undertaken, though we did have a subsequent problem with roof leakage due to inadequate cauking that was easily fixed.&lt;br /&gt;
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The car takes 5 kwh per charge so if I charge it every work day, it would be 1300 kwh per year for communting. As a practical matter, I don&#039;t commute by car every day, in fact, in summer I rarely use the car because it is easy to commute by bike and the exercise is great. So the car charging essentially comes &quot;for free&quot; from the extra we would normally give back to PG&amp;E. The original payback time for the solar array was something like 15 years, it would be interesting to calculate how that changes when I can displace 20 mi of gasoline per commute. I calculated that the plug-in displaces something like 66% of the CO2 the car would normally generate, it would be great to get that up to 80% with something like an ethanol conversion, but that looks to be tough since nobody markets a CARB-approved ethanol kit for the Prius.&lt;br /&gt;
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Regarding practicality of charging, I&#039;ve strung an extension cord from a 110v/15amp socket to the front of the garage (I originally wanted a plug in the floor that would come up on a spring, but the cost of installing that was too big for one car). The cord is on a mechanical timer that goes on between 11 PM and 5 AM when power is cheapest. By the NetMetering tariff, PG&amp;E pays about 3x for power in summer during 11 AM and 6 PM because that&#039;s when they have air conditioning peak load, so I don&#039;t want to charge it then. The car takes about 5 hr to fully charge, but it is about 2/3 to 3/4 charged within a couple of hours. I wanted a 220v charger too for faster charging but Hymotion only supplies the conversion with a 110v charger because - kind of like the original Toyota Prius commericals about not having to plug it in :-) - they were concerned about consumer acceptance. What would help more than anything else is to have the opportunity to charge the car when it is sitting around parked somewhere, like in the company parking lot or downtown in a garage, though of course the power in that case wouldn&#039;t be from solar panels. &lt;br /&gt;
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Hope that helps.&lt;br /&gt;
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                 jak&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We had the solar panels installed in 2004, a 2.5 kw array sized to cover 75% of our electricity needs yearly. With rebate from the state of California and tax deduction, it came out to about $18,000. I think it would be around $12,000 today (and today you can also lease panels, making the downpayment nothing). By eliminating outmoded appliances (primarily two pool pumps and a refrigerator) and switching to CFLs, we now have about 1000-2000 kwh per year of extra, depending on the year, that we typically give back to PG&#038;E, because California&#8217;s NetMetering law doesn&#8217;t allow you to be reimbursed (they since have introduced another tariff for that, but the NetMetering tariff is still more attractive for normal homeowners). Frankly speaking, having the solar array installed was one of the easiest home remodelling efforts I&#8217;ve ever undertaken, though we did have a subsequent problem with roof leakage due to inadequate cauking that was easily fixed.</p>
<p>The car takes 5 kwh per charge so if I charge it every work day, it would be 1300 kwh per year for communting. As a practical matter, I don&#8217;t commute by car every day, in fact, in summer I rarely use the car because it is easy to commute by bike and the exercise is great. So the car charging essentially comes &#8220;for free&#8221; from the extra we would normally give back to PG&#038;E. The original payback time for the solar array was something like 15 years, it would be interesting to calculate how that changes when I can displace 20 mi of gasoline per commute. I calculated that the plug-in displaces something like 66% of the CO2 the car would normally generate, it would be great to get that up to 80% with something like an ethanol conversion, but that looks to be tough since nobody markets a CARB-approved ethanol kit for the Prius.</p>
<p>Regarding practicality of charging, I&#8217;ve strung an extension cord from a 110v/15amp socket to the front of the garage (I originally wanted a plug in the floor that would come up on a spring, but the cost of installing that was too big for one car). The cord is on a mechanical timer that goes on between 11 PM and 5 AM when power is cheapest. By the NetMetering tariff, PG&#038;E pays about 3x for power in summer during 11 AM and 6 PM because that&#8217;s when they have air conditioning peak load, so I don&#8217;t want to charge it then. The car takes about 5 hr to fully charge, but it is about 2/3 to 3/4 charged within a couple of hours. I wanted a 220v charger too for faster charging but Hymotion only supplies the conversion with a 110v charger because &#8211; kind of like the original Toyota Prius commericals about not having to plug it in <img src='http://www.hybridcars.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  &#8211; they were concerned about consumer acceptance. What would help more than anything else is to have the opportunity to charge the car when it is sitting around parked somewhere, like in the company parking lot or downtown in a garage, though of course the power in that case wouldn&#8217;t be from solar panels. </p>
<p>Hope that helps.</p>
<p>                 jak</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 14:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is interesting.&lt;br /&gt;
 Without regard to cost , efficiency or environmental impact,some people just want to drive electric cars! Fine, just understand what you are doing.&lt;br /&gt;
Every time energy is stored or converted to another form, there is a loss.&lt;br /&gt;
 Start with natural gas, burn it in a power plant, transmit the power over wires (loss) then run it through a transformer/controller/charger (loss) then convert electrical energy to chemical energy in the battery (loss) then store that energy when the car is not running (loss) then convert chemical energy back to electrical energy (loss) then convert to mechanical energy in the cars motor (loss). Talk about hidden costs.&lt;br /&gt;
How many Prius drivers come back from a trip and find the battery dead? Then tow the car to a dealer. Great mileage!&lt;br /&gt;
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You say solar is clean? Do you know how much chemical waste is created to make those panels?&lt;br /&gt;
I am not opposed to electric cars, just to people who put on blinders, ignoring the costs. The best answers involve a mix of technologys to achieve efficient use of resources.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is interesting.<br />
 Without regard to cost , efficiency or environmental impact,some people just want to drive electric cars! Fine, just understand what you are doing.<br />
Every time energy is stored or converted to another form, there is a loss.<br />
 Start with natural gas, burn it in a power plant, transmit the power over wires (loss) then run it through a transformer/controller/charger (loss) then convert electrical energy to chemical energy in the battery (loss) then store that energy when the car is not running (loss) then convert chemical energy back to electrical energy (loss) then convert to mechanical energy in the cars motor (loss). Talk about hidden costs.<br />
How many Prius drivers come back from a trip and find the battery dead? Then tow the car to a dealer. Great mileage!</p>
<p>You say solar is clean? Do you know how much chemical waste is created to make those panels?<br />
I am not opposed to electric cars, just to people who put on blinders, ignoring the costs. The best answers involve a mix of technologys to achieve efficient use of resources.</p>
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		<title>By: hybridgreg</title>
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		<dc:creator>hybridgreg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 07:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Having recieved CalCars publications since 2007, I know the great work you guys have done to promote this technology.  In fact, I believe that PHEVs might be the key to convincing the public to have confidence in all-electric vehicles.  Converting hybrids that are already on the road to PHEVs seems like a difficult uphill battle in California.  With the Air Resources Board view that installers must first pay for extensive emission modification testing, I wonder if the ARB is being influenced by the OEMs or some other group trying to block the advance of the technology.  What do you think, Ron?  Otherwise, why would they place such a great economic burden on these installers at a time when PHEV technology is beginning to to catch fire?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having recieved CalCars publications since 2007, I know the great work you guys have done to promote this technology.  In fact, I believe that PHEVs might be the key to convincing the public to have confidence in all-electric vehicles.  Converting hybrids that are already on the road to PHEVs seems like a difficult uphill battle in California.  With the Air Resources Board view that installers must first pay for extensive emission modification testing, I wonder if the ARB is being influenced by the OEMs or some other group trying to block the advance of the technology.  What do you think, Ron?  Otherwise, why would they place such a great economic burden on these installers at a time when PHEV technology is beginning to to catch fire?</p>
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		<title>By: rgremban@calcars.org</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 07:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have not yet read the Carnegie Mellon study itself.  However, it IS true that Prius conversions suffer from limitations that require simple modifications to driving style -- usually not applied by fleet drivers -- to maximize electric drive, displace a lot of gasoline consumption, and thereby get 100+ mpg (plus electricity) until the battery is depleted.  After doing the first conversion in 2004 to pressure the auto manufacturers into building PHEVs by showing that the technology already exists in a mass-produced car, we at CalCars initiated the &quot;100+ mpg&quot; slogan to publicize what we accomplished that most commuters should also be able to achieve once purpose-built PHEV passenger cars become available.&lt;br /&gt;
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In addition to using gasoline efficiently, the important thing a PHEV can do that an ordinary hybrid cannot is use electricity as a fuel to displace gasoline.  This is not as important today as it will be soon, as, to avoid climate and energy security calamity, we must move toward an 80% reduction in greenhouse gas emissions from 1990 levels by 2050, which ALL NEW vehicles will therefore have to reach by 2035.  We can&#039;t grow enough biofuels for hybrids to do this, but with vehicles mostly powered by renewable electricity we can!  And we must begin down the curve of volume production and lowered costs NOW to have a prayer of getting there.&lt;br /&gt;
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A well-designed PHEV of any size or vehicle type can displace 35-50 gallons of gasoline per kilowatt-hour of battery capacity per year.  This assumes that its battery is fully depleted once a day.  Therefore, tailoring a PHEV&#039;s All Electric Range (AER) to each driver&#039;s daily routine is economically important, as the best cost-benefit is attained when the battery is fully depleted, or nearly so, between each charge.&lt;br /&gt;
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However, most of an auto&#039;s criteria emissions occur, and around 2 miles&#039; worth of gasoline is wasted, with each cold start -- so an AER tailored to each consumer (e.g. via battery size options) to be just long enough to make routine daily driving all electric would likely provide the best overall economic optimization.  Of course, once electric propulsion is common, battery prices will be on a downward curve and the sweet spot will lean increasingly toward electricity.&lt;br /&gt;
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Another point is that it may be best to focus electrification efforts on the larger vehicles that eat up the most gas --  SUVs and trucks of all sizes -- as well as work to entice people toward buying and driving only as large a vehicle as they really need.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not yet read the Carnegie Mellon study itself.  However, it IS true that Prius conversions suffer from limitations that require simple modifications to driving style &#8212; usually not applied by fleet drivers &#8212; to maximize electric drive, displace a lot of gasoline consumption, and thereby get 100+ mpg (plus electricity) until the battery is depleted.  After doing the first conversion in 2004 to pressure the auto manufacturers into building PHEVs by showing that the technology already exists in a mass-produced car, we at CalCars initiated the &#8220;100+ mpg&#8221; slogan to publicize what we accomplished that most commuters should also be able to achieve once purpose-built PHEV passenger cars become available.</p>
<p>In addition to using gasoline efficiently, the important thing a PHEV can do that an ordinary hybrid cannot is use electricity as a fuel to displace gasoline.  This is not as important today as it will be soon, as, to avoid climate and energy security calamity, we must move toward an 80% reduction in greenhouse gas emissions from 1990 levels by 2050, which ALL NEW vehicles will therefore have to reach by 2035.  We can&#8217;t grow enough biofuels for hybrids to do this, but with vehicles mostly powered by renewable electricity we can!  And we must begin down the curve of volume production and lowered costs NOW to have a prayer of getting there.</p>
<p>A well-designed PHEV of any size or vehicle type can displace 35-50 gallons of gasoline per kilowatt-hour of battery capacity per year.  This assumes that its battery is fully depleted once a day.  Therefore, tailoring a PHEV&#8217;s All Electric Range (AER) to each driver&#8217;s daily routine is economically important, as the best cost-benefit is attained when the battery is fully depleted, or nearly so, between each charge.</p>
<p>However, most of an auto&#8217;s criteria emissions occur, and around 2 miles&#8217; worth of gasoline is wasted, with each cold start &#8212; so an AER tailored to each consumer (e.g. via battery size options) to be just long enough to make routine daily driving all electric would likely provide the best overall economic optimization.  Of course, once electric propulsion is common, battery prices will be on a downward curve and the sweet spot will lean increasingly toward electricity.</p>
<p>Another point is that it may be best to focus electrification efforts on the larger vehicles that eat up the most gas &#8212;  SUVs and trucks of all sizes &#8212; as well as work to entice people toward buying and driving only as large a vehicle as they really need.</p>
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		<title>By: Wil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 07:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, I routinely get 55-60 mpg from my 2007 Prius -- and that is with about 85% freeway driving. Just drive carefully and without the jackrabbit starts and excessive speeds.&lt;br /&gt;
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 Aren&#039;t plug-in hybrids touted for far more than **that**?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I routinely get 55-60 mpg from my 2007 Prius &#8212; and that is with about 85% freeway driving. Just drive carefully and without the jackrabbit starts and excessive speeds.</p>
<p> Aren&#8217;t plug-in hybrids touted for far more than **that**?</p>
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		<title>By: Flex23</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flex23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 04:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Carl Or is it Exon Carl/CNG?&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;CNG is also more stable than gasoline and would make a good hybrid fuel&quot; Explain where CNG comes from &amp; the supply in the U.S. CO2 and extraction of hydrogen from oil reserves hmm something doesn&#039;t add up. Hidden cost of gasoline --&gt; hidden cost of CNG&lt;br /&gt;
Not producing your own energy sounds really exciting to me, &lt;br /&gt;
Zombies for CNG&lt;br /&gt;
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Read Doug Korthof &amp; Pablo&#039;s comments.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl Or is it Exon Carl/CNG?<br />
&#8220;CNG is also more stable than gasoline and would make a good hybrid fuel&#8221; Explain where CNG comes from &#038; the supply in the U.S. CO2 and extraction of hydrogen from oil reserves hmm something doesn&#8217;t add up. Hidden cost of gasoline &#8211;> hidden cost of CNG<br />
Not producing your own energy sounds really exciting to me, <br />
Zombies for CNG</p>
<p>Read Doug Korthof &#038; Pablo&#8217;s comments.  </p>
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		<title>By: Doug Korthof</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Korthof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 01:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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