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	<title>Comments on: RAV4 EV Launched: $49,800 And 100 miles Range</title>
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		<title>By: how to make a magnetic generator</title>
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		<dc:creator>how to make a magnetic generator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 01:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today, while I was at work, my sister stole my iphone and tested to see if it can survive a 30 foot drop, just so she can be a youtube sensation.&lt;br /&gt;
My iPad is now destroyed and she has 83 views. I know this is entirely off topic but I &lt;br /&gt;
had to share it with someone!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, while I was at work, my sister stole my iphone and tested to see if it can survive a 30 foot drop, just so she can be a youtube sensation.<br />
My iPad is now destroyed and she has 83 views. I know this is entirely off topic but I <br />
had to share it with someone!</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Says</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Says</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 17:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m an engineer and I was curious about the cost and environmental benefits of such a car.  So I crunched some numbers.  I&#039;m a little surprised by the results.&lt;br /&gt;
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Consider an efficient sedan getting 38 mpg (granted that&#039;s an efficient car, but not unreasonable for a conventional engine).  With gas costing $3.50 a gallon, that comes to $0.12 per mile.  In Maryland, I currently pay about $0.117 per kWh for electricity.  If I assume it takes 57.6 kWh (9.6 kW x 6 hr) to charge the Rav4 and I can drive for 100 miles, that comes to $0.07 per mile.  Yes, it&#039;s cheaper but after 100,000 miles I&#039;ve only saved $5k.  Hard to justify the $50k price tag.&lt;br /&gt;
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Now for the real eye-opener.  Burning a gallon of gas releases about 20 lbs (9072 g) of CO2.  A sedan getting 38 mpg releases 239 g CO2 per mile driven.  Producing a kWh of electricity from a coal-fired power plant (about 50% of my power supply in MD), releases about 1000 g CO2.  So driving the RAV4 would release about 576 g CO2 per mile if you charged it with coal-based electricity!?!  A natural gas power plant releases about 440 g CO2 per kWh.  That would result in a release of 255 g CO2 per mile - still more than the efficient sedan!&lt;br /&gt;
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As an engineer, I am really bummed.  I figured there wouldn&#039;t be an financial incentive for such a car.  But it looks like there might not even be a good environmental incentive.  I&#039;m sure there are some flaws in my analysis (hopefully no gross miscalculations), but to a first order things don&#039;t look good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an engineer and I was curious about the cost and environmental benefits of such a car.  So I crunched some numbers.  I&#8217;m a little surprised by the results.</p>
<p>Consider an efficient sedan getting 38 mpg (granted that&#8217;s an efficient car, but not unreasonable for a conventional engine).  With gas costing $3.50 a gallon, that comes to $0.12 per mile.  In Maryland, I currently pay about $0.117 per kWh for electricity.  If I assume it takes 57.6 kWh (9.6 kW x 6 hr) to charge the Rav4 and I can drive for 100 miles, that comes to $0.07 per mile.  Yes, it&#8217;s cheaper but after 100,000 miles I&#8217;ve only saved $5k.  Hard to justify the $50k price tag.</p>
<p>Now for the real eye-opener.  Burning a gallon of gas releases about 20 lbs (9072 g) of CO2.  A sedan getting 38 mpg releases 239 g CO2 per mile driven.  Producing a kWh of electricity from a coal-fired power plant (about 50% of my power supply in MD), releases about 1000 g CO2.  So driving the RAV4 would release about 576 g CO2 per mile if you charged it with coal-based electricity!?!  A natural gas power plant releases about 440 g CO2 per kWh.  That would result in a release of 255 g CO2 per mile &#8211; still more than the efficient sedan!</p>
<p>As an engineer, I am really bummed.  I figured there wouldn&#8217;t be an financial incentive for such a car.  But it looks like there might not even be a good environmental incentive.  I&#8217;m sure there are some flaws in my analysis (hopefully no gross miscalculations), but to a first order things don&#8217;t look good.</p>
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		<title>By: LT</title>
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		<dc:creator>LT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2012 19:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Model S has a 7 seat option? It is not obvious from their website where the tout other types of optional features.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Model S has a 7 seat option? It is not obvious from their website where the tout other types of optional features.</p>
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		<title>By: Van</title>
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		<dc:creator>Van</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 13:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If it charged at 80% of capacity (7.7 KW) for six hours, that would send  46 KWh to the battery.  Assuming 10% charging loses, that would mean the available initial capacity is about 42 KWh.  At $600 per KWh that means about $25,000 of the MSRP can be attributed to the battery.  A gasoline powered Rav4 MSRP is about $25,000 depending on options.  &lt;br /&gt;
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The range seems suspect, even at 2.7 Miles per KWh, the range would figure to be  113 Miles.  But if it managed the same EV mileage as a Leaf, Volt or PHV, (3.5)  it would have a range over 140 miles.&lt;br /&gt;
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It seems clear that we need the second generation battery before we can really sell hybrids, and we need the third generation battery, i.e 4 times the specific energy of the first generation lithium car batteries, for EV&#039;s to rise above a status symbol for the rich.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it charged at 80% of capacity (7.7 KW) for six hours, that would send  46 KWh to the battery.  Assuming 10% charging loses, that would mean the available initial capacity is about 42 KWh.  At $600 per KWh that means about $25,000 of the MSRP can be attributed to the battery.  A gasoline powered Rav4 MSRP is about $25,000 depending on options.  </p>
<p>The range seems suspect, even at 2.7 Miles per KWh, the range would figure to be  113 Miles.  But if it managed the same EV mileage as a Leaf, Volt or PHV, (3.5)  it would have a range over 140 miles.</p>
<p>It seems clear that we need the second generation battery before we can really sell hybrids, and we need the third generation battery, i.e 4 times the specific energy of the first generation lithium car batteries, for EV&#8217;s to rise above a status symbol for the rich.</p>
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		<title>By: CharlesF</title>
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		<dc:creator>CharlesF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 15:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think 2,600 will be tough to make.  $44,000 for a city car?  Now why would anybody do that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think 2,600 will be tough to make.  $44,000 for a city car?  Now why would anybody do that?</p>
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		<title>By: James Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 14:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s another one for the shelf, and these companies wonder why they are having financial problems. How can the people take them serious when they don&#039;t even take themselves serious? $50,000.00 for 100 mile range...that&#039;s $500.00 a mile. I must had missed it on the evening news, but when did America become all blue blood with no brains?  ...wait, let me guess - between 2000 and 2008, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s another one for the shelf, and these companies wonder why they are having financial problems. How can the people take them serious when they don&#8217;t even take themselves serious? $50,000.00 for 100 mile range&#8230;that&#8217;s $500.00 a mile. I must had missed it on the evening news, but when did America become all blue blood with no brains?  &#8230;wait, let me guess &#8211; between 2000 and 2008, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Roy_H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy_H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 06:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great execution, good looking, functional, but overpriced. The planned low production is in line with the high price, this does indeed seem to be a CARB compliance car and not a serious effort to sell EVs. It of course does make sense to market the first cars in California, but given the announced 2,600 for 3 years, it appears they do not intend to market anywhere they are not required to do so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great execution, good looking, functional, but overpriced. The planned low production is in line with the high price, this does indeed seem to be a CARB compliance car and not a serious effort to sell EVs. It of course does make sense to market the first cars in California, but given the announced 2,600 for 3 years, it appears they do not intend to market anywhere they are not required to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: jac007</title>
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		<dc:creator>jac007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 06:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This Model has a very attractive features and design with great look. But this model design is very similar to Toyota fortuner. But the features of this car is too good. Is this car is going to launch in India ?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a rel=&quot;dofollow&quot; href=&quot;http://www.rentalsrv.com&quot;&gt;RVs on Rent&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Model has a very attractive features and design with great look. But this model design is very similar to Toyota fortuner. But the features of this car is too good. Is this car is going to launch in India ?<br />
<a rel="dofollow" href="http://www.rentalsrv.com">RVs on Rent</a></p>
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		<title>By: Shines</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 00:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK - well now we are talking about a vehicle that could handle a &quot;generator trailer&quot; for longer trips. I recall someone made such a thing for the first Rav 4 EV. I found a related article: http://www.evnut.com/rav_longranger.htm&lt;br /&gt;
I could see something a little larger than the one in the article that would include some additional storage capacity. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK &#8211; well now we are talking about a vehicle that could handle a &#8220;generator trailer&#8221; for longer trips. I recall someone made such a thing for the first Rav 4 EV. I found a related article: <a href="http://www.evnut.com/rav_longranger.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.evnut.com/rav_longranger.htm</a><br />
I could see something a little larger than the one in the article that would include some additional storage capacity. </p>
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		<title>By: FamilyGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>FamilyGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 00:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Too rich for me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too rich for me.</p>
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