The Political Theatre of Oil

President Bush visited Saudi Arabia on Thursday to beg the leader of the world’s leading oil-producing nation to open the spigots—in an attempt to provide price relief at the gas pumps back home. But days before he arrived, Bush himself characterized the act as an empty gesture. “When you analyze the capacity for countries to put oil on the market, it’s just not like it used to be,” said Bush on Monday. “The demand for oil is so high relative to supply these days that there’s just not a lot of excess capacity.”

While it is widely viewed that the Saudis are holding back production to about 80 percent of its capacity in order to maintain record oil prices, some observers question the Saudi’s ability to increase production—even if desired. “The myth of Saudi spare capacity is convenient for everybody: it gives OPEC leverage, and it gives the West hope,” said Chris Skrebowski, Editor of Petroleum Review. “Saudi reserves are secret. They have never been verified.” Even if Saudi Arabia could raise production by 20 percent, it wouldn’t be long before an increase would be overshadowed by surging demand on the world market.

Congress also played its part in the political theater of oil dependence this week. The House of Representatives passed a bill on Wednesday to halt the stockpiling of crude in the Strategic Petroleum Reserve until prices fall back to $75 dollars a barrel. The White House promised not to veto such legislation. The bill would add 70,000 barrels of oil a day to the global market, but with global demand at around 86 million barrels per day, most energy experts expect it to have little impact on gas prices.

Another bill would freeze four highly sought-after arms deals, including a $123 million shipment of laser-guided smart bomb kits that would give Saudi airstrikes pinpoint accuracy. Another would give U.S. prosecutors the authority to apply U.S. antitrust laws to oil-producing countries.

While the U.S. made idle threats, Saudi Oil Minister Ali al-Naimi—the most influential voice in OPEC—dismissed the issue of Saudi production levels as irrelevant. Al-Naimi said, “The short-term oil price gyrations seen in recent years are more closely tied to the internal logic of the financial markets than to underlying supply/demand fundamentals.” OPEC ministers have regularly blamed increased speculative trading, the weakening U.S. dollar and other factors beyond their control for the rapid rise in oil prices, which have quadrupled in the past five years.

Bush’s visit to Saudi Arabia coincides with the beginning of this year’s peak driving season in the United States—when gas prices are expected to exceed $4 a gallon throughout the country.


  • Otter

    We wouldn’t have to beg if we increased our own production. When 85% of our shores are closed to production and we can’t drill in ANWR (a frozen wasteland, by the way) we are setting our country up for disaster. Not only will buying foreign oil weaken the dollar and cause inflation, we are less secure as a nation in times of crisis. I am all for conservation and practice it myself, but the law of supply and demand still holds and we must increase supply or our standand of living will go down.

  • mdensch

    Actually, the Saudis are doing us a favor by limiting production and keeping prices high.

    In the immediate short term it will force us to conserve, something we just haven’t had the motivation to do until now. It will also force us to accelerate research into alternative energy sources such as wind and solar and alternative fuel sources for transportation, research which will have a positive impact on the environment, as well.

    I agree with Otter that there are oil reserves under our control which we could tap to ease the supply and pricing problems. I also believe that with proper safeguards it could be done with little impact on the environment.

    However, I don’t agree that we could end our dependence on foreign oil through such measures and I don’t agree that we should invest that heavily in actions that will only help us maintain our gluttonous appetite for oil.

    All of the world’s oil supplies will run dry some day; we might as well develop carbon-free alternatives now.

  • Skeptic

    “Please King Abdullah, please oh please let us have a little bit more oil. I’m on my knees, king … oh, you’re not into that … sorry … but still Yer Majesty, we *need* that oil.”

    Gee, Dub, maybe if you hadn’t dug a hole $500,000.000,000 deep, maybe we’d off oil by now.

    What an idiot. I wonder what the Appeaser-in-Chief will offer the Saudis in exchange for a few more barrels a day?

    As for domestic reserves … please. ANWR would give us about 6 months’ supply … 10 years from now. Oil’s in the past – get over it.

  • Need2Change

    I agree that the King will do us a favor by keeping prices up. Maybe the U.S. auto industry and consumers will wake up. We need to kick the oil addiction!

    ANWR is a good investment. Let’s wait until oil is $1,000 a barrel before tapping it.

  • uktiger

    Because of the way our society is structured (people live about 15 miles from work) and our reliance on petroleum to move us about, western economies are in trouble. ALL of our wealth is being transferred to the middle-east.

    We need serious conservation. Taxes on GVW of automobiles. Laws on packaging. Requirements to produce a portion of energy needed at the source (active or passive).

    I am afraid it is too late. Global warming is the least of my worries.

  • Charles

    We need to use less oil. The whole world needs to use less oil. The only way that will happen is if oil is very expensive. Expensive oil will hurt in the short time, but may save us in the end.

    Drilling in ANWR or anyplace else in the US will not get oil to us in the short run and therefore will not decrease the current price.

    Individuals can reduce there fuel bill by conservation. Drive the speed limit. Keep your car tuned. Keep the tires inflated. Take mass transit when you can. Walk to lunch. When you do buy a new car, think about what you really need. Do not buy a truck just to hull a boat to and from the lake twice a year. When you need a special car, rent one. Do not think that 30 MPG highway is good.

    The rich can help everybody by buying a few boat loads of Priuses and junking their Hummers. The middle class, just follow the above steps. The poor need to follow the above steps and think before buying that $2000 used 2006 Cadillac Escalade. It is not a good deal.

  • Armand

    Some of you guys are clueless…do you honestly think Bush goes over there to beg? These people have been working together since the start of oil drilling and you honestly think the American/Saudi relationship is one of begging and asking?

    These bastards get together to create a plan of how much fuel will be and what rate of consumption will be allowed. If you people haven’t figured it out yet, this is the way they control economies and populations to their liking.

    The rest of the bullshit talk everyone is farting about…short runs, long runs, supply, demand, blah blah blah…has no relevance whatsoever. It’s what they want to happen is what matters. You folks are so addicted to oil that this “way of life” that it’s exactly….exactly the same as asking a coke head to see what the dealer is actually doing to you.

  • Joc

    FYI: Based on the current literature on the subject of conventional oil, total world oil discovery has peaked in 1964 at 48 billion barrels(bb)/yr. In 2005 total discovery was 6 bb. You can construct a bell shaped curve starting in 1930 to present, indicating that conventional oil discovery has run its course. By the way, ANWR has an estimated 5 bb and would take 6 yrs from start of drilling to refinery. From the discovery data geologists calculate total world conventional oil at about 2 trillion barrels. Unfortunately, only about 50% of the oil is recoverable under present technology.

    Meanwhile, world production is peaking presently with 27 bb in 2005 (top of bell curve) and world oil consumption in that year was 30 bb (up-sloping curve), some of that demand made up by oil from sand tar or heavy oil (Canada, Venezuela, etc.).

    The good news is there is an estimated 1 trillion barrels of this heavy oil in sand tar and another 1 trillion in oil shale (oily rock). The bad news is it is expensive extracting these oils and there is less gasoline (volatile distillates) in this type of oil. Current refineries can not handle the tar oils from these sources and retooling/frequent refurbishing required.

    Bottom line, no cheap oil/gas in the future.
    Ref: “Beyond Oil”, Deffeyes; “Future Energy”, Paul; “Bad Money”, Phillips.

  • Don Baumbach

    ” We wouldn’t have to beg if we increased our own production. When 85% of our shores are closed to production and we can’t drill in ANWR (a frozen wasteland, by the way) we are setting our country up for disaster. Not only will buying foreign oil weaken the dollar and cause inflation, we are less secure as a nation in times of crisis. I am all for conservation and practice it myself, but the law of supply and demand still holds and we must increase supply or our standand of living will go down. ” < ---- Someone listens to too much Rush Bimball. He said the same thing on his worthless show this week. Why can't right wingers think for themselves...

    Typical right winger. Knows nothing… We barely import any oil from the middle east. Most of our oil comes from Canada and Mexico. Do your homework for once. Also oil prices are traded on the market. If we pump it or Iraq pumps it, it will still be the same price per barrel…

  • uktiger

    Hey Don, you are quoting facts and facts have a liberal bias. If we could look in our McSame crystal ball…

    In 2013 ANWR will be producing all of our oil.

    Gas will cost .15 a gallon and in fact, we will get a government rebate every time we fill up.

    Iraq will be free!

    Income taxes will be abolished.

    We will all have guns and the ability to carry a concealed weapon wherever and whenever we choose.

  • Joc

    T. BOONE PICKENS IS INVESTING $2 BILLION IN WIND TURBINES!!!
    What does this tell us about the future of oil when the billionar oil man is going green? He will have the largest wind energy farm in the world located in Texas.

  • Otter

    I didn’t say we imported most of our oil from the Middle East. Even if we got no oil from the Middle East, if they increase supply the price should go down since there is a Global demand for oil. My comments mainly concern our country not allowing production on our soil or off of our shores. Countries like China are drilling 50 miles off the coast of Key West.

    There seems to be a number of people who think it’s great if the price of fuel gets much higher than it is today. Unfortunately, it will hurt everyone, even if you don’t drive anywhere, as the price of groceries, clothing, or anything else that is shipped will go way up.

    I have read that the Bakken Formation in the Great Plains holds an incredibly huge deposit of petroleum. Estimates of its potential range as high as the U.S. Geological Survey’s figure of more than 400 billion barrels. Shouldn’t we try to get this oil? We do need to conserve more in this Country, but if we don’t increase supply with a growing worldwide demand, we’ll all be worse off.

  • Mike Bickel

    We don’t need more oil. We have the technology right now to be totally oil independent but the fat cats that are running this country and companies won’t allow it to start. I suggest watching the dvd ” Who killed the electric car ” and reading books on it. They are the future. And we don’t need nuclear, coal, gas power plants to charge them. We have the technology for Wind, Solar, Geothermal among other clean power plants to be produced today.

  • sammy thinks alot

    I love how people bitch about technology. About how companies don’t release info. If you’re so damn sure the technology possible, then take your lazy ass back to school and get a degree in Chemistry. I worked in a lab for the past 3.5 years. I know where the science is by reading journals. More money is being pumped into research by the DOE now than ever before. More universities are doing research in this field than ever before. If you think that left winged universities are going to keep the technology a secret, than you’re too stupid for this conversation.

  • changetheworldnow

    Otter:

    The price of oil is going to stay up.

    India and China will make sure of that with demand.
    ANWAR hold about six months supply as noted.

    The answer is NOT to drill our way out of this.

    The answer is to find alternatives, to insulate our houses to buy electric or
    PHEV , to use solar wind and geothermal, even wood and pellet stoves here in NE USA

    The answer is to fundamentally change things.

    In the 1800′s Nantucket ( a small island off Cape Cod MA) was one of the richest
    places on earth. It was the Saudi Arabia of whale oil. Funny thing is we got rid of whale hunting for oil when we discovered the oil in PA TX OK etc.
    That oil is gone, if there was easily tappable oil sources in MT NE SD ND I would think that
    BP Exxon and others would have tapped it by now????
    Recent program on Prudhoe Bay on Alaskas North Slope showed how much energy they are USING just to warm up the oil and get it to flow.

    Noone pines for whale oil to light and heat their homes now that we have gas oil to burn.

    In the future with solar hot water heating, wood pellet furnaces and stoves, geothermal heating sources noone will pine for fossil fuels.

    Learn from the past and look to the future.

    http://www.peakoil.net/

    Tom

  • Don Baumbach

    I worked in a lab for the past 3.5 years. < ---- Sure you did

    If you listen to senator Bernie Sanders who is on the board of energy in the senate he will tell you it clearly exists and has seen it first hand. Every time it comes up in bills or discussed, the republicans shoot it down. So it only doesn’t exist because people like you don’t want it to…

  • Need2Change

    The new Fat Cats will be anyone involved with energy–be it oil, natural gas, solar, wind, geothermal, etc.

    The US knew this was coming. That’s why the Energy Department was created about 40 years ago. We just didn’t act.

    China will soon be the leader in solar energy and manufacture of solar panels, Europe will be leaders in generation of energy via wind generation.

    Europe will be a leader in all electric cars, and Japan will be a leader in hybrids.

    US will continue to be the leader in consumption of energy and the transfer of wealth outside our borders.

    The only thing that will keep our economy afloat will be that we will continue to be a leader in food generation, but that doesn’t match the price we pay for energy.

    The US needs to tax any energy we import, and use the funds to create alternatives, e.g. wind, solar, etc. The tax would not apply to domestic oil and gas.

  • Cyberpop

    The fastest way to bring down oil prices now is to hit the oil companies in the pocketbook — A nationwide boycott of just ONE oil company (say ExxonMobil) for 3 months would certainly make them lower their prices. And then boycott, say Shell, for 3 months, would do the same. This way, nobody would have to stop filling their tanks, just use another gas station down the road. The solution is up to the people, not the government or Big Oil.
    How can we spread this message around?

  • Anonymous

    Why are we helping ANY Middle Eastern country with its “domestic nuclear program”?

    Especially an unstable regime like Saudi Arabia?

    Am I the only one concerned about this?

  • Joc

    Bakken formation, Montana & ND. Discovered in the 50′s. Part of oil shale in low porosity rock. Very difficult to extract. Extraction with horizontal drilling started in 2000. Recovery estimates with current technology put at 1% (about 2 bb on ND side). Not a new discovery and ignored until recently because of the high cost of extraction. Another clue that oil prices will remain high.
    (see my commets from yesterday)

  • steved28

    Cyberpop, I won’t dignify that post with an answer. You need to meet snopes.com. snopes.com, meet cyberpop, cyberpop, snopes.com.

  • Danf

    Not a day goes by that I don’t hear someone comment about the high cost of gas. I am always amazed though when I am on the highway that people continue to drive at 70+ mph. Are these the same people that are complaining about high gas prices?

    If you are travelling somewhere leave 10 minutes earlier and drive 60, this will yield you at least 10% better economy. Check the air in your tires regularly. Get a clue, high prices are here to stay. World oil consumption is still increasing. Since the 1970 energy crisis European oil consumption has stayed flat, US consumption has increased dramatically. The US uses 25% of global oil production and half of that is to drive our gas guzzling monster vehicles. The US population is a bunch fat pigs when it comes to energy consumption. Oil is not forever, we have already passed peak production. My hope is that gas continues to climb in price. Maybe people will wake up and get rid of thier huge SUVs.

  • max savage

    Here we go with my simple minded solutions. Lets try this, Quit purchasing new cars. This will force the auto companies to join the 21st century and move away from oil, and toward electrification. Our energy money will go to local (electric) utilities and not to countries where we should not be doing business. At least states and local governments can regulate, and profit by, using electricity. Oil companies, however, will loose their political power and some of their wealth. Our elected federal officials dont seem to employ policy that is desired by the people, therefore your vote is no longer much of an asset… money, however, will determing policy. Speak with your money, and refuse to buy any new car until it is plug in capable.

  • Sammy thinks alot

    Don:

    I worked in a lab for the past 3.5 years. < ---- Sure you did

    Hey buddy, just because its out side the realm of possibility for you doesn’t mean its outside the realm of reality for me. If you want to chime in, you can take your ass back to school as well.

    If you listen to senator Bernie Sanders who is on the board of energy in the senate he will tell you it clearly exists and has seen it first hand. Every time it comes up in bills or discussed, the republicans shoot it down. So it only doesn’t exist because people like you don’t want it to…

    You can republican/democrat me till your fingers fall off. When it comes down to it we all live here and we all have the same damn problem. D/R need not apply.

    I know Bernie Sanders is a world renowned scientist but can you please reference some scientific journals so I can get the details of this “it”. You know the devil lives in the details.

    As a side note, I don’t hold the word from a bunch of assclowns in DC to the highest regard.

  • AP

    This just goes to show there’s more than one reason to conserve, and that’s national security. But taxing vehicles, setting higher fuel economy targets, etc. skirts the issue. As demonstrated recently, when fuel prices go up, people cut back immediately. Fuel price is the only thing that is effective, because it tackles both issues: 1) demanding and buying an efficient vehicle (so you don’t need CAFE), and 2) driving it fewer miles.

    Personally, if someone wants to buy a gas-guzzling Toyota Sequoia but hardly drives it, I’m OK with that. Why tax the vehicle?

    The solution is to tax fuel higher and return all the money to consumers in an income tax credit. Demand is reduced, wholesale gas prices go down, you pay more at the pump but you pay less income tax, AND MORE MONEY STAYS HERE, rather than going to an unstable country.

  • Armand

    AP:

    We need to tax these idiots who buy these vehicles because there’s more to the overall consumption than just driving those cars…they are bigger, heavier, use more material, clog roads more, are heavier so more wear and tear on the infrastructure.

    And frankly, stupidity should be very painful. Anyone dumb enough to buy a car like that and not use it for what it was intended should have a village idiot hat. Problem is, there are currently too many village idiots in this world and not enough hats.

    It’s incredible that in this day and age where people know we are in serious…SERIOUS trouble environmentally, there are STILL complete utter morons and a-holes going out and buying large cars like these. If this doesn’t state “I’m an a-hole and I don’t give a rat’s ass about either my or my kids’ future” then I don’t know what does. It’s incredibly irresponsible.

    It’s really too bad we can’t throw people like these in a large hole somewhere in an uninhabitable part of the world where they can produce as much waste as they desire….just so long as they need to live in their own feces. They deserve nothing less.

  • AP

    Noz,

    I know what you mean: it’s like Al Gore wasting bigtime energy in his house and then justifying it by buying “carbon credits.” I wonder if you can go see the carbon you’ve trapped somewhere?

    But despite the efforts of many, we do live in a nation with freedom of choice, freedom of speech, etc. To me, and many other people, a car is more than an appliance, and I actually enjoy driving. To me, driving a Prius tells others you’ve given up on driving anything sporty and fun (efficient cars could be fun).

    What you’re (hopefully jokingly) suggesting may make you feel good, but it isn’t effective. Taxing a purchase only effects new vehicles, and would take forever to make a difference. Rolling in a higher fuel tax would change behavior immediately, and change driving habits in old cars.

    Watch out judging other people by their cars; the Toyota “Pious” has its own negative advertising.

  • Armand

    AP:

    I’m not saying everyone should run out and buy a Prius. Of course not. But come on, let’s face it. You don’t need a 500HP V10 BMW M5 to have fun. You can have as much fun in a Mini…or a well done up Yaris for crying out loud. Yeah sure, you’ll hit 60 4 seconds later but so what.

    Freedom to choose should be restricted to things that don’t harm us in the long run. Stupidity should not be rewarded. I mean let’s be real…have you seen and met the average bozo on the streets of America? Most people in this country don’t have the where-with-all to name their own country on a map of the globe….yet they are free to choose and act as they please? HELL NO.

    I enjoy driving too…don’t get me wrong. But driving even a Prius can be fun if your priorities and what you are looking for in a car changes. If your challenge is to get really good mileage figures, that’s a feat in itself that can turn into enthusiasm for some…just as going to next traffic light 1/2 second quicker than the next guy OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER again is stuck in other people’s brains. Plus, there’s no reason why a hybrid can’t be customized, made flashy, whatever like any other car. It’s Toyota’s fault for making the Prius look rather dull…otherwise there’s no reason why they can’t make the next gen look slick right?

    My 87 VW GTI was probably the most fun car I had ever owned to date…and I’ve owned much faster and more refined cars that than…but guess what? It weighed 2200lbs, it had 105 HP, did 60 in 9.5 seconds. But it handled like a dream, was plenty quick on the canyons, and I consistently got over 35 MPG on this car….20+ YEARS AGO.

    People’s perceptions and priorities need to change. And for that to happen, they need to be forced, limited, pushed into it.

  • Shines

    Wow, things really get going when the discussion turns political. Ah well, here’s my 2 cents.
    If car companies could build electric vehicles that consumers (American consumers) wanted they would.
    CAFE mandated fuel economy is stupid and the wrong way to create conservation.
    Taxing heavier, bigger vehicles because they create greater wear on our roads should be done. It would be easy to add the tax when the license is renewed (state level) Truckers are already familiar with this.
    Boycotting an oil company won’t work.
    High oil prices will work. It will be painfull but will work.
    Our government no longer has any control over what the Saudi’s choose to export. Our government has little control over the price of oil. Oil is a world commodity, its price is high because the value of the US dollar has fallen (mostly because of the money we’re wasting in our meaningless Iraq war. Oil prices are also high because India and China are buying it and the US has to compete.
    Fuel is Europe is over $8.00 a gallon and Europe is not in a recession. Prius owners are the most satisfied (I don’t own one) because they know they are driving an extremely efficient, very comfortable and very reliable car. As the price of fuel continues to climb more and more SUV owners will be reevaluating their car buying decisions. As the price of fuel continues to rise the US will become more energy independent as we develop more alternatives and start mining oil shale and we choose to live more efficently. And yes we need to be carefully watching what oil rich nations that support terrorism are doing. They could do a lot with their new found wealth to reduce terrorism.

  • Armand

    While I agree with some of your points, I don’t agree with the terrorism part at all. Given the meddling history this country has with other nation’s political arenas, the US is right in the middle terrorism. It’s been supporting one of the biggest terrorists in the middle east..Israel. It has supported regimes that are dictatorships for decades. I don’t know what else in this world needs to happen for Americans to admit they they are probably one of the biggest sources of fuel for terrorists. This country has literally drained the wealth and well-being of other nations to near zero so it’s no wonder people outside of the US despise the US….something very Americans care to admit or even understand.

    But that’s another subject for another day.

  • sierra

    exuse me but im not even 15 yet and i just dont like the way mr. bastard bush is handling this whole damn situation. what he needs to do is take his lazy country ass over there and force that old hag for lower gas prices!! if i was him i would say good morning mr. lolo bang bang bang! and 123 you get what you want. violence is the answer.

  • AP

    Shines,

    I agree with most of your points, but I still don’t think taxing the heavier vehicle is the way to discourage it. After all, every hybrid is heavier than the same vehicle with a conventional powertrain.

    By putting the higher tax on fuel, you don’t get whacked for buying a new Viper or an old Mustang that you drive three times a year or take on the track. If you intend to drive something a lot, the high fuel price will all you need to decide a Sequoia is not for you (I don’t understand the attraction anyway). Vehicle taxes won’t affect you any more. If you have enough money you don’t care, OK, but you are in the minority anyway. I don’t begrudge people who have more money than me, unless they are hypocritical like Gore.

    It seems like reliably high fuel prices do everything automatically – just remember to take the fuel tax and return it in an income tax credit.

  • twana

    sierra

    listen i dont know if yer a girl or a guy or whut ever but honestly shut the hell up you have no idea what you are talking about oh yea lets blow them up violence is the answer hey moron who do you think is paying to get the troops over there for the weapons and for other payments for oh i dont know the actual troops… i dont know maby you! were the next genoration were gonna have all the problems dumped on us and oh my gosh geuss what will happen if we plan on bombin the place gas prices will rise even more! so yea obviously war is the obvious answer to lower gas prices for north america you punk bitch if you dont know what your talking about dont imply shit

    and yes i do agree high gas prices are a good idea but its also a bad idea if they stay high because the u.s greenback will plumet again and in a few centuries might just be worth a little more than the asian yen and thats like whut 350 yen is like about 3 dollars and 50 cents and america’s not exactly a safe and green place if you know what im saying so yea i think that we should just be more fuel efficient go green screw the gas pumps and you know those thing on the bottem of your body called legs use them they not just there to push pedal’s they are there to walk around use a bike run get some exsersize (sorry for my spelling) i will agree there are fuel efficent cars but there is nothing more fuel efficent than using your own 2 legs and feet yes that’s what those two thing on the bottem of your body are called and that is my two cents on this subject

  • sammy thinks alot

    You people are nuckin futs

  • Shines

    The purpose of taxing the heavier vehicle is not to discourage it – it is to properly pay for the extra wear and tear on the roads and infrastructure that bigger heavier vehicles cause. Yes, a hybrid that is heavier than a conventional ICE for the same model would pay a slightly higher tax in this scenario (although if we get into the details I suppose most cars might fall below a minimum weight for the tax). Owners of some bigger vehicles need to be aware that their big truck does more damage than just using more fuel. It would have to be adjusted for the amount of miles driven (reflecting more wear and tear on the roads). This is no different than the excise taxes truckers pay for driving their big rigs over US roadways. In the end this might be an incentive for more trucks to become hybrid – the lower fuel costs help offset the vehicle size/weight tax. Anyway, I’m NOT calling my congressional delegation asking for this tax, but if they proposed it, I would not be opposed.

  • twana

    yea i totally agree with that but just because their car is a bit heavier doesnt mean they should pay like an extra 15% like it should slightly reasonable like there should be different weight categories fer every car and maby the god dang government should stop sniffing crack get their asses out of iraq and instead of spending 3 trillion dollars on a war thats going no where maby that should be spent on the fuel problems or health care or the aging infastructure make the roads stronger to withstand the weight of these new generations of heavy hybrid vehicles and large tucks

    and i may be 14 years old but i think my point still stands strong instead of sierra’s oh yea well just blow yer head off if you dont lowers the gas prices but yea high gas prices are good but i dont think just plain taxing them is enough for the wear and tear on these roads and their not the only problem even small cars can have a huge toll on the roads as well like for example 2 tonnes time about as many small cars go over the road the should screw over the road some time after a while it may be too much

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  • altonalvin

    In the history of theatre, there is long tradition of performances addressing issues of current events and central to society itself, encouraging consciousness and social change. The political satire performed by the comic poets at the theatres, had considerable influence on public opinion in the Athenian democracy. magnétisme

  • phim hay

    The purpose of taxing the heavier vehicle is not to discourage it – it is to properly pay for the extra wear and tear on the roads and infrastructure that bigger heavier vehicles cause. The political satire performed by the comic poets at the theatres, had considerable influence on public opinion in the Athenian democracy

    phim

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