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		<title>By: John K.</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/pickens-stirs-terrorism-fears-push-natural-gas-vehicles-26439/#comment-23152</link>
		<dc:creator>John K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Samie,&lt;br /&gt;
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Check out Boone&#039;s interview by Jim Cramer on &quot;Mad Money&quot; (on CNBC) yesterday:&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.cnbc.com/id/34959130/ &lt;br /&gt;
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Boone says his plan is to replace diesel 18-wheelers and buses and only mentions them, not autos. He says again (I forgot about this) that he sees CGN only as a transition fuel.  He also explains why he&#039;s scaling back wind power for now. Boone says he expects congress to have a bill (I guess he means introduce a bill, not pass one, much less have Obama sign one) by Memorial Day 2010.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Samie,</p>
<p>Check out Boone&#8217;s interview by Jim Cramer on &#8220;Mad Money&#8221; (on CNBC) yesterday:<br />
<a href="http://www.cnbc.com/id/34959130/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnbc.com/id/34959130/</a> </p>
<p>Boone says his plan is to replace diesel 18-wheelers and buses and only mentions them, not autos. He says again (I forgot about this) that he sees CGN only as a transition fuel.  He also explains why he&#8217;s scaling back wind power for now. Boone says he expects congress to have a bill (I guess he means introduce a bill, not pass one, much less have Obama sign one) by Memorial Day 2010.</p>
<p>BTW Cramer supports the Picken&#8217;s Plan.  </p>
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		<title>By: Samie</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/pickens-stirs-terrorism-fears-push-natural-gas-vehicles-26439/#comment-23151</link>
		<dc:creator>Samie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good idea John K. &lt;br /&gt;
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If you use a CNG generator as a way to power the electricity that is fine, though if possible I would rather see LNG as the fuel for the generator.  What I have reservations about is using CNG as a primary fuel for lightweight passenger vehicles.  If you develop electrical systems that allows different inputs into it either as a generator or as a secondary energy to fuel battery drive that is the point to diversify energy use and allow for innovation and advancements from these secondary inputs.  Also with some types of natural gas you need pipe infrastructure.  We would need to spend billions on that as taxpayers and to justify the costs lobbyist along with Congress would try get auto manufactures to ramp up natural gas powered vehicles.  &lt;br /&gt;
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I also doubt that Pickens can gain enough government support to minimize the first wave of EV&#039;s. What they can do is minimize the role of government in long-term funding or mandates for EV&#039;s.  What others want to do is minimize the 3rd or 4th generation of EV&#039;s which could have mass public appeal and reduce lobbying interests for natural gas in cars, E85, offshore drilling, ect... If incentives were in place for distributing liquid natural gas and subsidies for new Semi&#039;s that use LNG in the next energy bill or transportation bill, I see no need for Pickens and his investors to scare people.  &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good idea John K. </p>
<p>If you use a CNG generator as a way to power the electricity that is fine, though if possible I would rather see LNG as the fuel for the generator.  What I have reservations about is using CNG as a primary fuel for lightweight passenger vehicles.  If you develop electrical systems that allows different inputs into it either as a generator or as a secondary energy to fuel battery drive that is the point to diversify energy use and allow for innovation and advancements from these secondary inputs.  Also with some types of natural gas you need pipe infrastructure.  We would need to spend billions on that as taxpayers and to justify the costs lobbyist along with Congress would try get auto manufactures to ramp up natural gas powered vehicles.  </p>
<p>I also doubt that Pickens can gain enough government support to minimize the first wave of EV&#8217;s. What they can do is minimize the role of government in long-term funding or mandates for EV&#8217;s.  What others want to do is minimize the 3rd or 4th generation of EV&#8217;s which could have mass public appeal and reduce lobbying interests for natural gas in cars, E85, offshore drilling, ect&#8230; If incentives were in place for distributing liquid natural gas and subsidies for new Semi&#8217;s that use LNG in the next energy bill or transportation bill, I see no need for Pickens and his investors to scare people.  </p>
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		<title>By: John K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 01:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Samie,&lt;br /&gt;
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I haven&#039;t kept up w/Pickens, so that is why I wrote he&#039;s pushing &quot;*primarily* pushing CGN for semi rigs/18-wheelers&quot;. Last I heard/read, that was his focus, so while I&#039;m sure he&#039;s not against CGN cars and may well be for them, I haven&#039;t recently heard he&#039;s focusing on them.  Plus, with the momentum of PHEV/EREV/EVs, I doubt whether he&#039;d be able to twist the entire US auto market to do what he wants. &lt;br /&gt;
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What do you think of my idea of a Chevy Volt w/a CNG generator, would you be against that? Should be extremely low carbon IMO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Samie,</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t kept up w/Pickens, so that is why I wrote he&#8217;s pushing &#8220;*primarily* pushing CGN for semi rigs/18-wheelers&#8221;. Last I heard/read, that was his focus, so while I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;s not against CGN cars and may well be for them, I haven&#8217;t recently heard he&#8217;s focusing on them.  Plus, with the momentum of PHEV/EREV/EVs, I doubt whether he&#8217;d be able to twist the entire US auto market to do what he wants. </p>
<p>What do you think of my idea of a Chevy Volt w/a CNG generator, would you be against that? Should be extremely low carbon IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: John K.</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/pickens-stirs-terrorism-fears-push-natural-gas-vehicles-26439/#comment-23125</link>
		<dc:creator>John K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 01:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Foreboding music and cryptic Arabic characters associate a vague terrorist threat&quot;? I don&#039;t think so. He says that we&#039;re exporting billions of dollars to buy oil, &quot;much of it from countries that don&#039;t like us.&quot; The problem is bigger than just terrorists and terrorists organizations. &lt;br /&gt;
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The ultimate problem is that we are *dependent* on foreign sources of energy. If our suppliers don&#039;t like our foreign or domestic policies, they can strangle our economy. Sure, if they overplay their hand that can boomerang back to hit them w/a worldwide depression -- as has happened -- driving down both demand and prices. But once we recover, if we don&#039;t start down the road to independence, the noose is still around our necks, and OPEC (Venezuela/Russia/whoever) will be more than happy to tighten it once again.&lt;br /&gt;
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Different note: w/a more compact Li ion battery pack, I wonder if a hybrid CNG Honda Civic GX possible?  Or, since we&#039;re dreaming, a Chevy Volt w/a EEStor ultracap and CGN powered generator?  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Foreboding music and cryptic Arabic characters associate a vague terrorist threat&#8221;? I don&#8217;t think so. He says that we&#8217;re exporting billions of dollars to buy oil, &#8220;much of it from countries that don&#8217;t like us.&#8221; The problem is bigger than just terrorists and terrorists organizations. </p>
<p>The ultimate problem is that we are *dependent* on foreign sources of energy. If our suppliers don&#8217;t like our foreign or domestic policies, they can strangle our economy. Sure, if they overplay their hand that can boomerang back to hit them w/a worldwide depression &#8212; as has happened &#8212; driving down both demand and prices. But once we recover, if we don&#8217;t start down the road to independence, the noose is still around our necks, and OPEC (Venezuela/Russia/whoever) will be more than happy to tighten it once again.</p>
<p>Different note: w/a more compact Li ion battery pack, I wonder if a hybrid CNG Honda Civic GX possible?  Or, since we&#8217;re dreaming, a Chevy Volt w/a EEStor ultracap and CGN powered generator?  </p>
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		<title>By: John K.</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/pickens-stirs-terrorism-fears-push-natural-gas-vehicles-26439/#comment-23149</link>
		<dc:creator>John K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 00:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ex-EV1,&lt;br /&gt;
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In case you aren&#039;t familiar w/it, you should read about *hydraulic* hybrids. UPS has started testing them and they make sense for garbage trucks, school buses, delivery vehicles and the like.  IIRC, they are more efficient than electric hybrids. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ex-EV1,</p>
<p>In case you aren&#8217;t familiar w/it, you should read about *hydraulic* hybrids. UPS has started testing them and they make sense for garbage trucks, school buses, delivery vehicles and the like.  IIRC, they are more efficient than electric hybrids. </p>
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		<title>By: Job001</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/pickens-stirs-terrorism-fears-push-natural-gas-vehicles-26439/#comment-23148</link>
		<dc:creator>Job001</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pickens is old enough he may be pushing natural gas for a combination of patriotic, environmental, and altruistic rather than just financial reasons. I believe he&#039;s wise enough to see the correct direction our country needs to go. I also suspect we need to transport some energy by pipeline rather than by electrical grid for a combination of cost, security, environmental, anti-monopoly, free-market, and efficiency reasons. &lt;br /&gt;
We also have more natural gas available now and more can be produced due to new technology, and natural gas is better than coal or oil because it has less carbon and more hydrogen in it&#039;s chemistry, so it&#039;s relatively better for the environment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pickens is old enough he may be pushing natural gas for a combination of patriotic, environmental, and altruistic rather than just financial reasons. I believe he&#8217;s wise enough to see the correct direction our country needs to go. I also suspect we need to transport some energy by pipeline rather than by electrical grid for a combination of cost, security, environmental, anti-monopoly, free-market, and efficiency reasons. <br />
We also have more natural gas available now and more can be produced due to new technology, and natural gas is better than coal or oil because it has less carbon and more hydrogen in it&#8217;s chemistry, so it&#8217;s relatively better for the environment.</p>
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		<title>By: ex-EV1 driver</title>
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		<dc:creator>ex-EV1 driver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 04:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reggie Larger,&lt;br /&gt;
I wholeheartedly appreciate your idea of distributed power generation.  That just makes good sense for the reasons you give.&lt;br /&gt;
However, I have to disagree with your assertion that the grid is inefficient.  Even today with most long-haul transmission based upon technology that is nearly 100 years old, the electrical grid is quite efficient at transporting energy.  Modern DC transmission lines can make it even more efficient.  The beauty of the grid&#039;s efficiency is that it can permit discontinuous alternative energy sources such as solar, tidal, and wind energy to be transmitted from places where it is in abundance to those where it isn&#039;t. &lt;br /&gt;
There certainly is a risk that control of the distribution could become a monopolistic problem but local generation and storage could offset that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reggie Larger,<br />
I wholeheartedly appreciate your idea of distributed power generation.  That just makes good sense for the reasons you give.<br />
However, I have to disagree with your assertion that the grid is inefficient.  Even today with most long-haul transmission based upon technology that is nearly 100 years old, the electrical grid is quite efficient at transporting energy.  Modern DC transmission lines can make it even more efficient.  The beauty of the grid&#8217;s efficiency is that it can permit discontinuous alternative energy sources such as solar, tidal, and wind energy to be transmitted from places where it is in abundance to those where it isn&#8217;t. <br />
There certainly is a risk that control of the distribution could become a monopolistic problem but local generation and storage could offset that.</p>
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		<title>By: Reggie Larger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reggie Larger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The terror card is more than irresponsible. For starters Xcel Energy, for one, is showing dramatic reduction in electricity demand (see SEC K-10 numbers). Truth is the existing grid is horribly inefficient. Shipping wind power, or any power, as we do is simply mindless. To NOT rethink now would be like keeping horses instead of moving into “horseless carriages”. If we are to steward America’s resources each region of the country will need to identify what THEY each can produce locally—then also share regionally. The concept we currently use of a “Central Station” factory (having one massive energy plant; i.e. nuclear, wind or coal), then maximize production, to only ship far distantances is completely backwards. In future we’ll see communities everywhere “powering up”-manufacturing power and distributing it locally AND regionally. Think thousands of smaller “stations” everywhere. Jobs would flourish and it’ll almost eliminate terrorism threat to grid. No, this argument is NOT about wind, nor gas,  – it’s about market share &amp; transmission. Those who wise enough to see quickly realize the “profit barons” are simply rushing to hold future generations captive to endless profit and control--trying to invent a profitable model at ANY cost using various industries to support the NEED.  Instead, it’s time for “smart grids” using the existing transmission system. The energy paradigm is shifting and they’d rather not discuss it. Time to partner with the actual “smart” consumer &amp; allow ratepayers to in fact participate with a far better investment. There’s an idea? Heaven forbid! Let everyone profit from American ingenuity–not just the few? And as if the American household (and economy) couldn’t use a break – not just an enormous rate hike…. bringing profits for T-Bone and the big transmission builders. And would ITC Holdings in Novi Michigan and Xcel Energy like to dance with Pickens? You do the math! All too laughable. Get that issued solved and we will be well on the way to electric cars. See: http://pecva.org/anx/index.cfm/1,516,2263,-1,html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The terror card is more than irresponsible. For starters Xcel Energy, for one, is showing dramatic reduction in electricity demand (see SEC K-10 numbers). Truth is the existing grid is horribly inefficient. Shipping wind power, or any power, as we do is simply mindless. To NOT rethink now would be like keeping horses instead of moving into “horseless carriages”. If we are to steward America’s resources each region of the country will need to identify what THEY each can produce locally—then also share regionally. The concept we currently use of a “Central Station” factory (having one massive energy plant; i.e. nuclear, wind or coal), then maximize production, to only ship far distantances is completely backwards. In future we’ll see communities everywhere “powering up”-manufacturing power and distributing it locally AND regionally. Think thousands of smaller “stations” everywhere. Jobs would flourish and it’ll almost eliminate terrorism threat to grid. No, this argument is NOT about wind, nor gas,  – it’s about market share &#038; transmission. Those who wise enough to see quickly realize the “profit barons” are simply rushing to hold future generations captive to endless profit and control&#8211;trying to invent a profitable model at ANY cost using various industries to support the NEED.  Instead, it’s time for “smart grids” using the existing transmission system. The energy paradigm is shifting and they’d rather not discuss it. Time to partner with the actual “smart” consumer &#038; allow ratepayers to in fact participate with a far better investment. There’s an idea? Heaven forbid! Let everyone profit from American ingenuity–not just the few? And as if the American household (and economy) couldn’t use a break – not just an enormous rate hike…. bringing profits for T-Bone and the big transmission builders. And would ITC Holdings in Novi Michigan and Xcel Energy like to dance with Pickens? You do the math! All too laughable. Get that issued solved and we will be well on the way to electric cars. See: <a href="http://pecva.org/anx/index.cfm/1,516,2263,-1,html" rel="nofollow">http://pecva.org/anx/index.cfm/1,516,2263,-1,html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Shines</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 04:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No one has mentioned the other alternative with natural gas - conversion to gasoline.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=turning-natural-gas-pollution-into-gasoline&lt;br /&gt;
This would allow our existing infrastructure to continue. No need to make CNG or LNG cars. &lt;br /&gt;
I also see the possibility of being able to fuel my CNG car from my home&#039;s natural gas and thereby creating competition between electric, natural gas and conventional fuel (gasoline) for my transportation needs.&lt;br /&gt;
A plug in CNG hybrid might be nice...&lt;br /&gt;
Public transportation can be improved also...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one has mentioned the other alternative with natural gas &#8211; conversion to gasoline.<br />
<a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=turning-natural-gas-pollution-into-gasoline" rel="nofollow">http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=turning-natural-gas-pollution-into-gasoline</a><br />
This would allow our existing infrastructure to continue. No need to make CNG or LNG cars. <br />
I also see the possibility of being able to fuel my CNG car from my home&#8217;s natural gas and thereby creating competition between electric, natural gas and conventional fuel (gasoline) for my transportation needs.<br />
A plug in CNG hybrid might be nice&#8230;<br />
Public transportation can be improved also&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Samie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John K&lt;br /&gt;
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In interviews last year, Pickens made his intentions to push CNG/LNG into passenger vehicle markets, unless things have changed this time around, he still has the same intentions, as he has not ruled out this option.  So the point is that it is not out of the reach for Pickens and others to extend this lucrative business proposal to passenger vehicles as the second part of their strategy.  Eg. forcing automakers to add at least 1 natural gas vehicle to their yearly lineup of vehicles.  Start small, then expand as we have seen with the ridiculous legislation from the ethanol crowd.   So I don&#039;t disagree with you but look closer at the plan and you will see the flexibility into passenger vehicles and hence my concern that this will not be much different from our current petroleum distribution/market and our current security problems with petro in the long-term.  &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John K</p>
<p>In interviews last year, Pickens made his intentions to push CNG/LNG into passenger vehicle markets, unless things have changed this time around, he still has the same intentions, as he has not ruled out this option.  So the point is that it is not out of the reach for Pickens and others to extend this lucrative business proposal to passenger vehicles as the second part of their strategy.  Eg. forcing automakers to add at least 1 natural gas vehicle to their yearly lineup of vehicles.  Start small, then expand as we have seen with the ridiculous legislation from the ethanol crowd.   So I don&#8217;t disagree with you but look closer at the plan and you will see the flexibility into passenger vehicles and hence my concern that this will not be much different from our current petroleum distribution/market and our current security problems with petro in the long-term.  </p>
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