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		<title>By: Bryce</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/one-study-two-headlines/#comment-10952</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[wow, your that guy advertising on this site again. So are u just going to go through every post and do that then???]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, your that guy advertising on this site again. So are u just going to go through every post and do that then???</p>
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		<title>By: janice</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/one-study-two-headlines/#comment-10951</link>
		<dc:creator>janice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So do we really save money on hybrids?  The blog is confusing, So it cost more when you buy it but in the long run it can save you more? &lt;a href=&quot;http://stores.ebay.com/Auto-Parts-Warehouse&quot;&gt;Autopartswarehouse&lt;/a&gt; has blogs about hybrids too, that&#039;s how they say it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So do we really save money on hybrids?  The blog is confusing, So it cost more when you buy it but in the long run it can save you more? <a href="http://stores.ebay.com/Auto-Parts-Warehouse">Autopartswarehouse</a> has blogs about hybrids too, that&#8217;s how they say it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryce</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/one-study-two-headlines/#comment-10950</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[after market is pricey.  U might as well just wait for the Volt.  : )  That way u can get the proposed 7k tax rebate.  Doesn&#039;t that sound nice.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>after market is pricey.  U might as well just wait for the Volt.  : )  That way u can get the proposed 7k tax rebate.  Doesn&#8217;t that sound nice.  </p>
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		<title>By: manny</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/one-study-two-headlines/#comment-10949</link>
		<dc:creator>manny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[People will buy what they think is best for them..its their business if they drive a hybrid or SUV or a BMW!  Who cares? &lt;br /&gt;
Bottom line is:&lt;br /&gt;
If you drive a lot...GET A PRIUS HYBRID....If you drive a little..GET ANY CAR that gets the &quot;supposed&quot; 30mpg they are advertising now. I drive 50-70miles per day and spend ave $35 a week in gas @ ave $4.25/gal.  Smart? Of course. I get ave 55 mpg. Some of my co-workers drive the same distance, and drive SUV&#039;s, and other ICE&#039;s. Thats their business! &lt;br /&gt;
Hybrids have little to NO maintainance at all  besides oil change and wiper blades..if driven normally.&lt;br /&gt;
 There have been few reports (aprox .003%)  of any 2nd or 3rd generation Prius battery going bad over  past 8-9 years since their debut in Japan in 1997, and we still don&#039;t know how long they will last. &lt;br /&gt;
Prius batteries can be exchanged to a plug in Lithium ion battery at a high cost. That dollar amount will hopefully come down like all new technology that becomes readily available to the average consumer.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People will buy what they think is best for them..its their business if they drive a hybrid or SUV or a BMW!  Who cares? <br />
Bottom line is:<br />
If you drive a lot&#8230;GET A PRIUS HYBRID&#8230;.If you drive a little..GET ANY CAR that gets the &#8220;supposed&#8221; 30mpg they are advertising now. I drive 50-70miles per day and spend ave $35 a week in gas @ ave $4.25/gal.  Smart? Of course. I get ave 55 mpg. Some of my co-workers drive the same distance, and drive SUV&#8217;s, and other ICE&#8217;s. Thats their business! <br />
Hybrids have little to NO maintainance at all  besides oil change and wiper blades..if driven normally.<br />
 There have been few reports (aprox .003%)  of any 2nd or 3rd generation Prius battery going bad over  past 8-9 years since their debut in Japan in 1997, and we still don&#8217;t know how long they will last. <br />
Prius batteries can be exchanged to a plug in Lithium ion battery at a high cost. That dollar amount will hopefully come down like all new technology that becomes readily available to the average consumer.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryce</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/one-study-two-headlines/#comment-10948</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That is a possibility.  I know in these tougher economic times, it seems that people are trying to part u with your money a little harder.  We just had a plumber come out to something that he said would cost 200 at first.  Then it became 400, then 500 then 700.  We told him to leave.  Beware of scams more than before and beware of supposedly nice people that are just hard up for cash.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a possibility.  I know in these tougher economic times, it seems that people are trying to part u with your money a little harder.  We just had a plumber come out to something that he said would cost 200 at first.  Then it became 400, then 500 then 700.  We told him to leave.  Beware of scams more than before and beware of supposedly nice people that are just hard up for cash.  </p>
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		<title>By: steved28</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/one-study-two-headlines/#comment-10947</link>
		<dc:creator>steved28</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just a couple corrections/answers...&lt;br /&gt;
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Hybrid batteries are considered by the fed to be part of the emission controls. And thus are warrantied 8 yrs or 100,000 miles. In California and states that adopt California Emission Control Coverage, warranty is 10 years or 150,000 miles. So hybrid manufacturers who sell in California must meet these numbers, but they don&#039;t make specific changes for California cars, so we all benefit. &lt;br /&gt;
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Your mechanic is scared, because hybrids require far less maintenance than a traditional ICE car. Part of the reasons include, electric power steering, electric A/C compressor, less run time on the engine, simplified transmission, no alternator,  far less use of brake pads. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a couple corrections/answers&#8230;</p>
<p>Hybrid batteries are considered by the fed to be part of the emission controls. And thus are warrantied 8 yrs or 100,000 miles. In California and states that adopt California Emission Control Coverage, warranty is 10 years or 150,000 miles. So hybrid manufacturers who sell in California must meet these numbers, but they don&#8217;t make specific changes for California cars, so we all benefit. </p>
<p>Your mechanic is scared, because hybrids require far less maintenance than a traditional ICE car. Part of the reasons include, electric power steering, electric A/C compressor, less run time on the engine, simplified transmission, no alternator,  far less use of brake pads. </p>
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		<title>By: Bryce</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/one-study-two-headlines/#comment-10946</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yea, honestly, I think people go through cars too fast.  As soon as the payments are done, they toss it for a new one.  I would much rather get a quality car and hold on to it until it dies or gets too expensive to maintain.  &lt;br /&gt;
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I will try to answer a few of your questions now.  : )&lt;br /&gt;
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Electricity production varies from region.  I knonw here in CAlifornia that there is pretty much no Coal used.  Mostly natural gas and renewables.  Maybe some nuclear I think.  As far as Texas (I am assuming TExas cuz u said San antonio)goes, a good chunk probably is from coal, but I suppose you can look at it this way:  your car is going to rpoduce the polution anyways, so using electricity domestically produced may satisfy some home grown energy urge.  That only pertains to plug in hybrids/electric cars though.  If it is a standard retail Pius, for example, there is no plugging in and the car produces the electricity itself.  &lt;br /&gt;
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As far as the manufacturing process, I am prettys ure that the manufacturing process for a hybrid produces the same ammount of pollutants as a conventional car.  In fact, nowadays, car companies are creating much greener facilities.  I know GM just put the largest roof based solar array in the world onto their plant in SPain.  They also have plans to expand onto more of their plants.  I figure other automakers will follow suit.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Battery life, like I said, can be nearly infinite cuz the software in the car keeps it at the optimum charge for long battery life.  DIsposal is probably the same as regular car batteries.  Landfills I think.  Nowadays they are nickel metal hydride or lithium ion batteries, which I would guess are no where as poisonous as the old lead acid batteries.  &lt;br /&gt;
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The cost may be the only thing that may scare u.  Hybrids do tend to be a little more pricey than their conventional counterparts.  Buying used is pretty much out fo the question also, cuz I have yet to see a hybrid driver willing to part with their vehicle in light of high gas prices.  In the coming years however they may become more available used.  What size of car are u looking for exactly???  A compact car, a sedan, and SUV?  I might be able to make some recommendations.  : )]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea, honestly, I think people go through cars too fast.  As soon as the payments are done, they toss it for a new one.  I would much rather get a quality car and hold on to it until it dies or gets too expensive to maintain.  </p>
<p>I will try to answer a few of your questions now.  : )</p>
<p>Electricity production varies from region.  I knonw here in CAlifornia that there is pretty much no Coal used.  Mostly natural gas and renewables.  Maybe some nuclear I think.  As far as Texas (I am assuming TExas cuz u said San antonio)goes, a good chunk probably is from coal, but I suppose you can look at it this way:  your car is going to rpoduce the polution anyways, so using electricity domestically produced may satisfy some home grown energy urge.  That only pertains to plug in hybrids/electric cars though.  If it is a standard retail Pius, for example, there is no plugging in and the car produces the electricity itself.  </p>
<p>As far as the manufacturing process, I am prettys ure that the manufacturing process for a hybrid produces the same ammount of pollutants as a conventional car.  In fact, nowadays, car companies are creating much greener facilities.  I know GM just put the largest roof based solar array in the world onto their plant in SPain.  They also have plans to expand onto more of their plants.  I figure other automakers will follow suit.  </p>
<p>Battery life, like I said, can be nearly infinite cuz the software in the car keeps it at the optimum charge for long battery life.  DIsposal is probably the same as regular car batteries.  Landfills I think.  Nowadays they are nickel metal hydride or lithium ion batteries, which I would guess are no where as poisonous as the old lead acid batteries.  </p>
<p>The cost may be the only thing that may scare u.  Hybrids do tend to be a little more pricey than their conventional counterparts.  Buying used is pretty much out fo the question also, cuz I have yet to see a hybrid driver willing to part with their vehicle in light of high gas prices.  In the coming years however they may become more available used.  What size of car are u looking for exactly???  A compact car, a sedan, and SUV?  I might be able to make some recommendations.  : )</p>
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		<title>By: Elis</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/one-study-two-headlines/#comment-10945</link>
		<dc:creator>Elis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Someone just sent me this article...interesting stuff.&lt;br /&gt;
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http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&amp;ik=c1a540e5a1&amp;attid=0.0.1&amp;disp=inline&amp;view=att&amp;th=11b0e6768c0bbec2]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone just sent me this article&#8230;interesting stuff.</p>
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<a href="http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&#038;ik=c1a540e5a1&#038;attid=0.0.1&#038;disp=inline&#038;view=att&#038;th=11b0e6768c0bbec2" rel="nofollow">http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&#038;ik=c1a540e5a1&#038;attid=0.0.1&#038;disp=inline&#038;view=att&#038;th=11b0e6768c0bbec2</a></p>
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		<title>By: Elis</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/one-study-two-headlines/#comment-10944</link>
		<dc:creator>Elis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for your insight Bruce. It&#039;s good to know that some of the older batteries are still functional...I trust my mechanic but I guess he is a bit biased.  Yes, like you, I am looking for 10+ years in  car ownership.  Right now I am driving a &#039;94 Astro....that makes it 14 years old.  Of course it&#039;s become a &quot;money sponge.&quot;  My first ever vehicle was a &#039;54 Chevy...and I know it would still be running if I&#039;d kept it!  I am not the typical consumer, I weigh just about every decision against poor steward ship of our recourses.  Not that I live a saintly life...I&#039;m just aware of my &quot;foot print.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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So many resources go in to making a new car, and used cars have always gotten my around. The hybrids appeal to me because of the gas savings.  However, I have been trying to figure out exactly what the trade off is in terms of: 1. the pollution caused by producing electricity (I believe here in San Antonio it&#039;s coal), 2. pollution caused by manufacture process, 3. battery life and disposal, 4. cost of a new car.  In other words, one may believe that by driving a Hybrid they are being &quot;green&quot;, when in reality they are not.  But I haven&#039;t seen used Hybrids for sale so that&#039;s a good sign!&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your insight Bruce. It&#8217;s good to know that some of the older batteries are still functional&#8230;I trust my mechanic but I guess he is a bit biased.  Yes, like you, I am looking for 10+ years in  car ownership.  Right now I am driving a &#8217;94 Astro&#8230;.that makes it 14 years old.  Of course it&#8217;s become a &#8220;money sponge.&#8221;  My first ever vehicle was a &#8217;54 Chevy&#8230;and I know it would still be running if I&#8217;d kept it!  I am not the typical consumer, I weigh just about every decision against poor steward ship of our recourses.  Not that I live a saintly life&#8230;I&#8217;m just aware of my &#8220;foot print.&#8221;</p>
<p>So many resources go in to making a new car, and used cars have always gotten my around. The hybrids appeal to me because of the gas savings.  However, I have been trying to figure out exactly what the trade off is in terms of: 1. the pollution caused by producing electricity (I believe here in San Antonio it&#8217;s coal), 2. pollution caused by manufacture process, 3. battery life and disposal, 4. cost of a new car.  In other words, one may believe that by driving a Hybrid they are being &#8220;green&#8221;, when in reality they are not.  But I haven&#8217;t seen used Hybrids for sale so that&#8217;s a good sign!</p>
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		<title>By: Bryce</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/one-study-two-headlines/#comment-10943</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 06:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Life expectancy for a car is pretty damn long if u take care of it.  According to good old governmental studies, 7.8 years i think is the average time a car is owned before the next is purchased.  Not bad fot he average.  I personally (along with the rest of my family) am one that takes care of my cars and holds on to them for a long time.  I expect the battery packs to last beyond the 5 year mark because the packs in those old Honda Insights and Toyota priuses from about 8 or 9 years ago are still going strong.  The key is, that the packs are kept in a certain charge zone.  Soo long as the battery is nto fully charged or fully depleted, battery life will be maximized.  The car computer does this.  Sometimes when u turn on a prius, the engine will turn on randomly so as to maintain battery charge within that sweet spot.  I take it u are in the market for one of these vehicles and are wary of what u are going to have to deal with???  If so, don&#039;t worry, I am not some hybrid fanatic that wants to save the world one hybrid at a time or anything.  Just a guy that finds them interesting.  I don&#039;t even own one, though I ahve driven them.  They are interesting, if not a little quirky.  (the priuses anyways)  They will get u from point A to point B no problem.  About how long do u keep your cars for.  My mom has had her Suburban for about 9.5 years now and it runs beautifully.  My 98 Chrysler Concorde runs great as well.  (though that car has only been in my hands for the past 3 years,  pre-owned before me, first car and what not.  I think it was a nice little rental that ran between LA and Las vegas.  Real nice with leather seats and 3.2L V6)  So are u looking at 10+ years like me???  What is your potential car ownage range that has u worried about battery problems???]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Life expectancy for a car is pretty damn long if u take care of it.  According to good old governmental studies, 7.8 years i think is the average time a car is owned before the next is purchased.  Not bad fot he average.  I personally (along with the rest of my family) am one that takes care of my cars and holds on to them for a long time.  I expect the battery packs to last beyond the 5 year mark because the packs in those old Honda Insights and Toyota priuses from about 8 or 9 years ago are still going strong.  The key is, that the packs are kept in a certain charge zone.  Soo long as the battery is nto fully charged or fully depleted, battery life will be maximized.  The car computer does this.  Sometimes when u turn on a prius, the engine will turn on randomly so as to maintain battery charge within that sweet spot.  I take it u are in the market for one of these vehicles and are wary of what u are going to have to deal with???  If so, don&#8217;t worry, I am not some hybrid fanatic that wants to save the world one hybrid at a time or anything.  Just a guy that finds them interesting.  I don&#8217;t even own one, though I ahve driven them.  They are interesting, if not a little quirky.  (the priuses anyways)  They will get u from point A to point B no problem.  About how long do u keep your cars for.  My mom has had her Suburban for about 9.5 years now and it runs beautifully.  My 98 Chrysler Concorde runs great as well.  (though that car has only been in my hands for the past 3 years,  pre-owned before me, first car and what not.  I think it was a nice little rental that ran between LA and Las vegas.  Real nice with leather seats and 3.2L V6)  So are u looking at 10+ years like me???  What is your potential car ownage range that has u worried about battery problems???</p>
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