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	<title>Comments on: MIT Study: Vehicle Weight Gains Have Offset Potential MPG Improvements</title>
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		<title>By: greg45</title>
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		<dc:creator>greg45</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 19:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the study has really paid off here. I think it is so important to try improve the MPG for the future. The benefits will definitely pay off in the long run. Keep up the good work. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.medicaldepotcanada.com&quot;&gt;Medical Depot Canada&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the study has really paid off here. I think it is so important to try improve the MPG for the future. The benefits will definitely pay off in the long run. Keep up the good work. <a href="http://www.medicaldepotcanada.com">Medical Depot Canada</a></p>
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		<title>By: derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2012 21:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Info you wrote in this place are creative . I&#039;m so glad&lt;br /&gt;
 that someone decided to say something like this stuff .&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Info you wrote in this place are creative . I&#8217;m so glad<br />
 that someone decided to say something like this stuff .</p>
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		<title>By: Blonda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blonda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 13:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a very interesting article! The subject is very..fragile and i like a lot the way the author chose to treat it! It&#039;s a really good point that  implementing the mandates means in the same time increasing the costs!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.parfumurishop.com/&quot; rel=&quot;dofollow&quot;&gt;Parfumuri Originale&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very interesting article! The subject is very..fragile and i like a lot the way the author chose to treat it! It&#8217;s a really good point that  implementing the mandates means in the same time increasing the costs!<br />
<a href="http://www.parfumurishop.com/" rel="dofollow">Parfumuri Originale</a></p>
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		<title>By: veek</title>
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		<dc:creator>veek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good article and postings. The automotive marketers have done their homework, and can apparently read our collective minds far better than the legislators.  Not all is bad, though.  The size for new homes seems on its way down, fast food franchises are offering more healthy choices, and car makers offer excellent choices for those wanting to downsize. Maybe supersizing is not an inevitable trend.&lt;br /&gt;
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Good point about increasing the cost versus implementing the mandates (and the CAFE numbers will us so much voodoo math they wouldn&#039;t be credible anyway).  European and Asian drivers probably use less fuel largely because it costs far more, not because their governments make any better regulations than ours does.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article and postings. The automotive marketers have done their homework, and can apparently read our collective minds far better than the legislators.  Not all is bad, though.  The size for new homes seems on its way down, fast food franchises are offering more healthy choices, and car makers offer excellent choices for those wanting to downsize. Maybe supersizing is not an inevitable trend.</p>
<p>Good point about increasing the cost versus implementing the mandates (and the CAFE numbers will us so much voodoo math they wouldn&#8217;t be credible anyway).  European and Asian drivers probably use less fuel largely because it costs far more, not because their governments make any better regulations than ours does.</p>
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		<title>By: Not So Libertarian Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not So Libertarian Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can find some estimates of the sources of weight growth in another study from MIT:&lt;br /&gt;
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http://web.mit.edu/sloan-auto-lab/research/beforeh2/files/Zoepf_MS_Thesis.pdf&lt;br /&gt;
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Basically, it finds that for cars (excluding light trucks) there was about 200 lbs of weight increase attributable to safety and emissions equipment between 1980 and 2010. Over the same period, there was about 260 lbs of weight increase attributable to comfort &amp; convenience features.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can find some estimates of the sources of weight growth in another study from MIT:</p>
<p><a href="http://web.mit.edu/sloan-auto-lab/research/beforeh2/files/Zoepf_MS_Thesis.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://web.mit.edu/sloan-auto-lab/research/beforeh2/files/Zoepf_MS_Thesis.pdf</a></p>
<p>Basically, it finds that for cars (excluding light trucks) there was about 200 lbs of weight increase attributable to safety and emissions equipment between 1980 and 2010. Over the same period, there was about 260 lbs of weight increase attributable to comfort &#038; convenience features.</p>
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		<title>By: Libertarian Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Libertarian Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The weight gain was not done for safety purposes, but instead was a result of government mandated safety devices that add roughly 25% to the weight of a small vehicle like my Fit.&lt;br /&gt;
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These safety devices are important in a small vehicle when getting clobbered by a 6000 lbs SUV. Simple physics. So while as a libertarian I am usually against government mandates I do appreciate some of the resultant safety devices (air bags. side impact bars, etc) Recent proposed mandates are just going to add to the cost and weight (e.g.- blackboxes)&lt;br /&gt;
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The death rate per mile driven has fallen to an all time low. A ten mph accident in 1970 could often result in death while now it will more likely result in bruises. I was hit head on by a Caprice classic going 50 mph in my Saturn SL2. My brother was hit head-on by a Ford E350 sliding on its side at 70 mph in a Saturn SL1. My wife, my brother, and I walked away with minor injuries (both cars were totalled). If not for the airbags our injuries would have been severe and I have little doubt my brother would be dead.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The weight gain was not done for safety purposes, but instead was a result of government mandated safety devices that add roughly 25% to the weight of a small vehicle like my Fit.</p>
<p>These safety devices are important in a small vehicle when getting clobbered by a 6000 lbs SUV. Simple physics. So while as a libertarian I am usually against government mandates I do appreciate some of the resultant safety devices (air bags. side impact bars, etc) Recent proposed mandates are just going to add to the cost and weight (e.g.- blackboxes)</p>
<p>The death rate per mile driven has fallen to an all time low. A ten mph accident in 1970 could often result in death while now it will more likely result in bruises. I was hit head on by a Caprice classic going 50 mph in my Saturn SL2. My brother was hit head-on by a Ford E350 sliding on its side at 70 mph in a Saturn SL1. My wife, my brother, and I walked away with minor injuries (both cars were totalled). If not for the airbags our injuries would have been severe and I have little doubt my brother would be dead.</p>
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		<title>By: Van</title>
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		<dc:creator>Van</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A little bit on weight and safety.  We have small cars and their passengers are more at risk of injury than passengers of heavier cars.&lt;br /&gt;
However, not much safety gain is achieved once you reach 2900 lbs, in today&#039;s mix of vehicle sizes.  And once you reach 3600 lbs, no significant safety improvement is seen with heavier vehicles.  Thus anything over 3600 lbs simply wastes gas and adds to the hazard of small car drivers.&lt;br /&gt;
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A Prius weighs about 2900 and a Camry hybrid weighs about 3600.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Thus vehicles over 3600 lbs with horsepower over 200, simply waste gas.  &lt;br /&gt;
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We do not need regulation, we need education based on sound science, not agenda driven briefs aimed at political goals.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little bit on weight and safety.  We have small cars and their passengers are more at risk of injury than passengers of heavier cars.<br />
However, not much safety gain is achieved once you reach 2900 lbs, in today&#8217;s mix of vehicle sizes.  And once you reach 3600 lbs, no significant safety improvement is seen with heavier vehicles.  Thus anything over 3600 lbs simply wastes gas and adds to the hazard of small car drivers.</p>
<p>A Prius weighs about 2900 and a Camry hybrid weighs about 3600.  </p>
<p>Thus vehicles over 3600 lbs with horsepower over 200, simply waste gas.  </p>
<p>We do not need regulation, we need education based on sound science, not agenda driven briefs aimed at political goals.</p>
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		<title>By: Van</title>
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		<dc:creator>Van</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Libertarian Don, your willingness to increase our dependence on foreign oil and government regulation would need to be actually offset with improved safety.  Have you seen a study where injury per collision is compared, 1985 vehicles with 2005 vehicles that demonstrates an improvement.  &lt;br /&gt;
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I believe Government mandates lock in old design and make innovation difficult.  Remember the first air bags actually injured small front seat passengers, and when it was discovered that the bag inflation rate was a one speed fits all design set for high speed crashes when most were at lower speeds?  We could not make the design change but had to get the government to modify its regulation?  And this one example is just the tip of the iceberg.&lt;br /&gt;
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Not to mention the change in the lending rules during the Clinton era which gave birth to the housing bubble.  Over-regulation even with best intentions leads to more poverty and corruption, not less. &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Libertarian Don, your willingness to increase our dependence on foreign oil and government regulation would need to be actually offset with improved safety.  Have you seen a study where injury per collision is compared, 1985 vehicles with 2005 vehicles that demonstrates an improvement.  </p>
<p>I believe Government mandates lock in old design and make innovation difficult.  Remember the first air bags actually injured small front seat passengers, and when it was discovered that the bag inflation rate was a one speed fits all design set for high speed crashes when most were at lower speeds?  We could not make the design change but had to get the government to modify its regulation?  And this one example is just the tip of the iceberg.</p>
<p>Not to mention the change in the lending rules during the Clinton era which gave birth to the housing bubble.  Over-regulation even with best intentions leads to more poverty and corruption, not less. </p>
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		<title>By: Libertarian Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Libertarian Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 13:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was thinking about this exact same issue last night while walking my dog. My Datsun 210 I drove in the 1980&#039;s averaged 27 mpg, took ~15 seconds to get to 60 mph, and weighed ~2000 lbs.  My 2007 Honda fit averages 30 mpg, takes ~8.5 seconds to 60, and weighs ~2600 lbs.&lt;br /&gt;
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From my understanding of the weight issue is most is derived from safety hardware include side impact beams, air bags (the Fit has 8 air bags) and other reinforcements. I&#039;ll keep my safety thank you.&lt;br /&gt;
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Hybrids lead to even more weight gain from the batteries, extra electric motor and additional hardware required to make it all work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking about this exact same issue last night while walking my dog. My Datsun 210 I drove in the 1980&#8242;s averaged 27 mpg, took ~15 seconds to get to 60 mph, and weighed ~2000 lbs.  My 2007 Honda fit averages 30 mpg, takes ~8.5 seconds to 60, and weighs ~2600 lbs.</p>
<p>From my understanding of the weight issue is most is derived from safety hardware include side impact beams, air bags (the Fit has 8 air bags) and other reinforcements. I&#8217;ll keep my safety thank you.</p>
<p>Hybrids lead to even more weight gain from the batteries, extra electric motor and additional hardware required to make it all work.</p>
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		<title>By: Van</title>
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		<dc:creator>Van</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 07:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The question we must ask ourselves is how much added weight was mandated by Government regulations.  How much of the price of Gasoline is mandated by Government regulations and taxes.  &lt;br /&gt;
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In the 1970&quot; we created the Energy Department to take actions to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.  But with all those regulations, what has been the result, we are more depend now, and our dependence is growing.  &lt;br /&gt;
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We have tried a government run economy, see history of Soviet Union, and found a too centralized control leads to poverty and corruption. &lt;br /&gt;
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We need better batteries, that is for sure, but the New Fusion Plug-in, due in about 12 months, plus the Prius PHV due next month, should provide an ability to reduce gasoline consumption without harming the economy.  Take a drive in a new Camry Hybrid or a Kia.  These are great cars that get that 10 MPG better than the currant fleet average of 27.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Rather than mandating high fuel costs, how about lowering fuel costs by providing alternatives.  Duh  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question we must ask ourselves is how much added weight was mandated by Government regulations.  How much of the price of Gasoline is mandated by Government regulations and taxes.  </p>
<p>In the 1970&#8243; we created the Energy Department to take actions to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.  But with all those regulations, what has been the result, we are more depend now, and our dependence is growing.  </p>
<p>We have tried a government run economy, see history of Soviet Union, and found a too centralized control leads to poverty and corruption. </p>
<p>We need better batteries, that is for sure, but the New Fusion Plug-in, due in about 12 months, plus the Prius PHV due next month, should provide an ability to reduce gasoline consumption without harming the economy.  Take a drive in a new Camry Hybrid or a Kia.  These are great cars that get that 10 MPG better than the currant fleet average of 27.  </p>
<p>Rather than mandating high fuel costs, how about lowering fuel costs by providing alternatives.  Duh  </p>
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