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	<title>Comments on: How Congress Saved Fuel Cells, Ethanol And the Pickens Plan</title>
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		<title>By: BenedictQuon</title>
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		<dc:creator>BenedictQuon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Doctor Phadre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctor Phadre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 01:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kenz - totally agree! The oil companies need to be forced to spend large portions of their multi-billion-dollar profits on converting petrol stations into multi-fuel stations, offering a choice of fuels. This means tough international government action, tax incentives and legislation.&lt;br /&gt;
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Then the road is clear for serious scale mass production of competing alternative-fuel vehicles, preferably each with at least 2 possible fuel intakes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kenz &#8211; totally agree! The oil companies need to be forced to spend large portions of their multi-billion-dollar profits on converting petrol stations into multi-fuel stations, offering a choice of fuels. This means tough international government action, tax incentives and legislation.</p>
<p>Then the road is clear for serious scale mass production of competing alternative-fuel vehicles, preferably each with at least 2 possible fuel intakes.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Swan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blue Swan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The bottom line is its great Congress &quot;saved&quot; these technologies, but quite frankly, they don&#039;t need Congress to survive because they are being developed commercially for profit.&lt;br /&gt;
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Only costly battery technology like plugins need Government life support because they are folly and money wasting.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bottom line is its great Congress &#8220;saved&#8221; these technologies, but quite frankly, they don&#8217;t need Congress to survive because they are being developed commercially for profit.</p>
<p>Only costly battery technology like plugins need Government life support because they are folly and money wasting.</p>
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		<title>By: Corporate Terrorist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corporate Terrorist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 23:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No one even knows that there is engine created from the ground up that uses Ethanol.  Its real, I have seen it and it will change your views about beleiveing petroleum is better to use.  Ethanol regardless of containing less BTU&#039;s thas petro has something that petro can&#039;t do and that is burn at a constant and known predictable rate.  Sorry, gasoline can&#039;t do this but Ethanol can.  Ricardo built an engine referred to as Ethanol Boosted Direct Injection and it scares the hell out of the Oil Industry and its Lobby.  Of course, hardley anyone even knows about them outside of the manufacturing circle and even they are taking handouts from the Oil companies.  &lt;br /&gt;
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It cracks me up to see people get so angry talking about ethanol and alternative fuels who are against them.  If you listen closely to them, usually you&#039;ll also find they are bigoted, raciest and some of the most obtuse John Bircher&#039;s you could ever meet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one even knows that there is engine created from the ground up that uses Ethanol.  Its real, I have seen it and it will change your views about beleiveing petroleum is better to use.  Ethanol regardless of containing less BTU&#8217;s thas petro has something that petro can&#8217;t do and that is burn at a constant and known predictable rate.  Sorry, gasoline can&#8217;t do this but Ethanol can.  Ricardo built an engine referred to as Ethanol Boosted Direct Injection and it scares the hell out of the Oil Industry and its Lobby.  Of course, hardley anyone even knows about them outside of the manufacturing circle and even they are taking handouts from the Oil companies.  </p>
<p>It cracks me up to see people get so angry talking about ethanol and alternative fuels who are against them.  If you listen closely to them, usually you&#8217;ll also find they are bigoted, raciest and some of the most obtuse John Bircher&#8217;s you could ever meet.</p>
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		<title>By: Average Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Average Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 22:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another Oil Shill, thank you.  You&#039;re argument has no base unless you cry out we should all be the same.  You have a choice.  If you want to use petroluem, its your choice.  If you are saying that everyone should use petroleum, you&#039;re most incorrect.  I use Biodiesel and Ethanol all the time without reservation.  Its produced right here in the United States and get this, each dollar spent goes back into our economy without causing any form of trade imbalance where we off load our cash to some place else.  I feel much better knowing that my dollars are spent locally and that an american farmer actually made a difference in their efforts.  No, not Archer Daniels Midland, Cargill or IBP but someone just like everyone else trying to scratch out a living.  Do you know that you could skip all of these middle men all together if you bought grain from an actual farmer or a local grain elevator and produced your own fuel?  In addtion, you could also use what&#039;s left over.  You can&#039;t do this with any other thing and they want it that way.  &quot;They&quot; are those that work like hell to make it hard for to have a choice.  There are 3 big oil companies, 3.  They work together and yes they fix their prices.  Not the same with alternative energy because barrier to entry is not that hard.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another Oil Shill, thank you.  You&#8217;re argument has no base unless you cry out we should all be the same.  You have a choice.  If you want to use petroluem, its your choice.  If you are saying that everyone should use petroleum, you&#8217;re most incorrect.  I use Biodiesel and Ethanol all the time without reservation.  Its produced right here in the United States and get this, each dollar spent goes back into our economy without causing any form of trade imbalance where we off load our cash to some place else.  I feel much better knowing that my dollars are spent locally and that an american farmer actually made a difference in their efforts.  No, not Archer Daniels Midland, Cargill or IBP but someone just like everyone else trying to scratch out a living.  Do you know that you could skip all of these middle men all together if you bought grain from an actual farmer or a local grain elevator and produced your own fuel?  In addtion, you could also use what&#8217;s left over.  You can&#8217;t do this with any other thing and they want it that way.  &#8220;They&#8221; are those that work like hell to make it hard for to have a choice.  There are 3 big oil companies, 3.  They work together and yes they fix their prices.  Not the same with alternative energy because barrier to entry is not that hard.  </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Where do you think electricity comes from? &lt;br /&gt;
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Nat Gas, Coal, &amp; Nuke. &lt;br /&gt;
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To produce electricity the fuel must be trasported to a power plant burned/converted into electricity and then transported to the vehicle. &lt;br /&gt;
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or you could just burn Nat Gas in your vehicle.&lt;br /&gt;
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It&#039;s so clean that many people cook with it in their homes, without any health hazards.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where do you think electricity comes from? </p>
<p>Nat Gas, Coal, &#038; Nuke. </p>
<p>To produce electricity the fuel must be trasported to a power plant burned/converted into electricity and then transported to the vehicle. </p>
<p>or you could just burn Nat Gas in your vehicle.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s so clean that many people cook with it in their homes, without any health hazards.</p>
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		<title>By: Jorge R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jorge R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 02:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why do we insist on centralizing production.&lt;br /&gt;
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A Honda FCX fuel Cell in our cars with a baterry back up, Photo-voltaic (PV) power generated on major parking lots (for that battery back-up), Hidrogen made at home (PV/wind-and no big propellers either) and we store the gas on a solid state block; the entreprenour makes a buck (parking lots and home systems), the electric companies get the surplus  juice they want to power indsutry and the consumer gets a credit for dumping excess electricity on to the grid, hidrogen to fill his (solid state) tank and maintain the charge on the back up battery.  The common denominator?  No dollars to industry to create any distribution networks.  Maybe even the state gets my pennies from the parking meter next to an actual (electric power) recharging station.&lt;br /&gt;
(Of course we think centralized, if it does not meet our greed and thirst for power, who would we point to and blame).  I can only hope I put this stuff out there first.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do we insist on centralizing production.</p>
<p>A Honda FCX fuel Cell in our cars with a baterry back up, Photo-voltaic (PV) power generated on major parking lots (for that battery back-up), Hidrogen made at home (PV/wind-and no big propellers either) and we store the gas on a solid state block; the entreprenour makes a buck (parking lots and home systems), the electric companies get the surplus  juice they want to power indsutry and the consumer gets a credit for dumping excess electricity on to the grid, hidrogen to fill his (solid state) tank and maintain the charge on the back up battery.  The common denominator?  No dollars to industry to create any distribution networks.  Maybe even the state gets my pennies from the parking meter next to an actual (electric power) recharging station.<br />
(Of course we think centralized, if it does not meet our greed and thirst for power, who would we point to and blame).  I can only hope I put this stuff out there first.</p>
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		<title>By: D. Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Electricity is how we need to power our systems.  Install the infrastructure to distribute the power for transportation.  We can produce power with coal, oil, natural gas, wind, solar and better yet nuclear.   Once we have the electric infrastructure to deliver the power, we can gradually move away from coal, oil, natural gas towards wind, solar and nuclear.  &lt;br /&gt;
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One area that needs further development is how to store energy from peak production of wind and solar to times when it is not windy or sunny.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Hybrid transportation is a logical first step towards electric vehicles.  Battery and drive line technologies can be developed further using onboard engines to recharge until the infrastructure for electric cars is available.   &lt;br /&gt;
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Israel is taking the lead on establishing infrastructure for electric vehicles.  The US should learn something from their lead, it takes a leader who makes a very good educated decision on where the future needs to go.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If you have not seen any discussion on this, go to:  http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-9854591-54.html &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Electricity is how we need to power our systems.  Install the infrastructure to distribute the power for transportation.  We can produce power with coal, oil, natural gas, wind, solar and better yet nuclear.   Once we have the electric infrastructure to deliver the power, we can gradually move away from coal, oil, natural gas towards wind, solar and nuclear.  </p>
<p>One area that needs further development is how to store energy from peak production of wind and solar to times when it is not windy or sunny.  </p>
<p>Hybrid transportation is a logical first step towards electric vehicles.  Battery and drive line technologies can be developed further using onboard engines to recharge until the infrastructure for electric cars is available.   </p>
<p>Israel is taking the lead on establishing infrastructure for electric vehicles.  The US should learn something from their lead, it takes a leader who makes a very good educated decision on where the future needs to go.</p>
<p>If you have not seen any discussion on this, go to:  <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-9854591-54.html" rel="nofollow">http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-9854591-54.html</a> </p>
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		<title>By: DC</title>
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		<dc:creator>DC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The more I read things like this, the more I am certain the US either does not realize exactly what the problem is, or they simply dont care.&lt;br /&gt;
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Ethanol, flex-fuel etc, is nothing but a scam -and a dangerous one at that. America, the world for that mattter simply does not have the land, water or energy to spare on this ill-advised scheme. Don&#039;t for one second think that small-town bible-thump&#039;n  pastoral farmers are growing crops for ethanol, there not. Agri-corp.&#039;s love the subsides. 5 years from now, ethanol will still be as stupid an idea as it is today.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Fuel Cells, For the space program sure, niche applications, certain stationary power applications, fine. Your current science advisor is not an idiot, it would take him maybe 30-60 mins to explain to  everyone concerned Hydrogen is well...another scam, albiet one that appears more &#039;high-tech&#039;, thus its glamor seems to out-shine the basic fact that it is 3-4 times more efficent to use the electricty it would take to make H2, to power (whatever) then waste it converting it to compressed or liquid H2. Why he has not advised in the strongest terms- H2 is probably one of the worst soultions you could possiblly imagine, I cant say. I understand why Bush and GM flogged this on the US public, they knew it was a bullshit idea right from minute one! &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
CNG, seeks to replace one non-renewable resource with a slightly cleaner non-renewable resource. What a great idea, throw money at too while  ignoring the absurdities of the other reckless schemes were pursueing. I will tell you a story about another great Alt. fuel, Propane. The fuel was very inexpensive vs gasoline(at one time) where I lived and a large market for conversions developed. I was a fuel-retailer at the time and sold a very good volume of the gas. So what happened? Eventually the oil companies decided propane was getting &#039;too popular&#039; and in a very short period of time, raised the retail price to parity with gas(they did the same to diesal around the same time as well). The end result, once it was no longer price-competitive, people ripped out there conversions whole-sale and Propane-as-motor-fuel became a shell of its former self. The lesson? There is absolutely nothing to prevent an oil company from takeing a cheap low cost gas, and setting the price to whatever they want, when they want. They basically sunk the market for PFV&#039;s, i saw it first hand. Did propane suddenly cost more to refine than gas?-nope, a massive supply bottleneck?-Nope. Its riseing populariity and low cost vs gas was an irritant to them so they &quot;fixed&quot; the problem.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
One can only conclude, that America loves the status quo, but does not seem to mind wasteing as much money as they can on &#039;soultions&#039; that are really not soultions. I guess the illusion of appearing to be trying to address the problem is what is really matters to the US.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more I read things like this, the more I am certain the US either does not realize exactly what the problem is, or they simply dont care.</p>
<p>Ethanol, flex-fuel etc, is nothing but a scam -and a dangerous one at that. America, the world for that mattter simply does not have the land, water or energy to spare on this ill-advised scheme. Don&#8217;t for one second think that small-town bible-thump&#8217;n  pastoral farmers are growing crops for ethanol, there not. Agri-corp.&#8217;s love the subsides. 5 years from now, ethanol will still be as stupid an idea as it is today.</p>
<p>Fuel Cells, For the space program sure, niche applications, certain stationary power applications, fine. Your current science advisor is not an idiot, it would take him maybe 30-60 mins to explain to  everyone concerned Hydrogen is well&#8230;another scam, albiet one that appears more &#8216;high-tech&#8217;, thus its glamor seems to out-shine the basic fact that it is 3-4 times more efficent to use the electricty it would take to make H2, to power (whatever) then waste it converting it to compressed or liquid H2. Why he has not advised in the strongest terms- H2 is probably one of the worst soultions you could possiblly imagine, I cant say. I understand why Bush and GM flogged this on the US public, they knew it was a bullshit idea right from minute one! </p>
<p>CNG, seeks to replace one non-renewable resource with a slightly cleaner non-renewable resource. What a great idea, throw money at too while  ignoring the absurdities of the other reckless schemes were pursueing. I will tell you a story about another great Alt. fuel, Propane. The fuel was very inexpensive vs gasoline(at one time) where I lived and a large market for conversions developed. I was a fuel-retailer at the time and sold a very good volume of the gas. So what happened? Eventually the oil companies decided propane was getting &#8216;too popular&#8217; and in a very short period of time, raised the retail price to parity with gas(they did the same to diesal around the same time as well). The end result, once it was no longer price-competitive, people ripped out there conversions whole-sale and Propane-as-motor-fuel became a shell of its former self. The lesson? There is absolutely nothing to prevent an oil company from takeing a cheap low cost gas, and setting the price to whatever they want, when they want. They basically sunk the market for PFV&#8217;s, i saw it first hand. Did propane suddenly cost more to refine than gas?-nope, a massive supply bottleneck?-Nope. Its riseing populariity and low cost vs gas was an irritant to them so they &#8220;fixed&#8221; the problem.  </p>
<p>One can only conclude, that America loves the status quo, but does not seem to mind wasteing as much money as they can on &#8216;soultions&#8217; that are really not soultions. I guess the illusion of appearing to be trying to address the problem is what is really matters to the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Samie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 03:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe I was too mean... Sorry&lt;br /&gt;
So here.&lt;br /&gt;
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&quot;Samie and all the other ostriches out there, &quot;pull you head out of the sand&quot; our future transport and energy problems are not going to go away.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Ok energy problems yes but how do you help reduce them?  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
How is it that you get average consumers a good alternative that they don&#039;t have to rely on going to a fuel station for?  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Do you ignore not trying to diversify our grid system so that we don&#039;t just use mostly coal?  &lt;br /&gt;
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Is creating another alt. fuel good say @ 20% consumption if it means taking up valuable land resources, water, &amp; aid development of authoritarian governments eg maybe Russia in the future?  &lt;br /&gt;
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How do you fund Hydrogen or a mix of other things when funding is limited &amp; long-term funding is need in the case of all interests. (Think of inflation &amp; State/Federal Budgets Problems that are happening &amp; will continue for a few more years.) &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
These are real questions, questions u should ask yourself not a rant so actually think of something to say it doesn&#039;t matter what just actually have a real opinion on something....&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I was too mean&#8230; Sorry<br />
So here.</p>
<p>&#8220;Samie and all the other ostriches out there, &#8220;pull you head out of the sand&#8221; our future transport and energy problems are not going to go away.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ok energy problems yes but how do you help reduce them?  </p>
<p>How is it that you get average consumers a good alternative that they don&#8217;t have to rely on going to a fuel station for?  </p>
<p>Do you ignore not trying to diversify our grid system so that we don&#8217;t just use mostly coal?  </p>
<p>Is creating another alt. fuel good say @ 20% consumption if it means taking up valuable land resources, water, &#038; aid development of authoritarian governments eg maybe Russia in the future?  </p>
<p>How do you fund Hydrogen or a mix of other things when funding is limited &#038; long-term funding is need in the case of all interests. (Think of inflation &#038; State/Federal Budgets Problems that are happening &#038; will continue for a few more years.) </p>
<p>These are real questions, questions u should ask yourself not a rant so actually think of something to say it doesn&#8217;t matter what just actually have a real opinion on something&#8230;.</p>
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