Honda to Launch Production Hydrogen Fuel Cell Car in 2008

Honda surprised many at the 2007 Tokyo Motor Show with the announcement that they will be putting a hydrogen fuel cell car into production next year for general sale. The company will produce fewer than 1,000 units. And though it makes perfect sense that Honda, over anyone else, would be the one to hit the production line first with this technology, most didn’t see this move coming for another five to seven years.

Honda surprised many at the Tokyo Motor Show with the announcement that they will be putting a hydrogen fuel cell car into production next year for general sale. The company will produce fewer than 1,000 units. And though it makes perfect sense that Honda, over anyone else, would be the one to hit the production line first with this technology, most didn’t see this move coming for another five to seven years. Hydrogen is generally regarded as the long-term vision for eco-friendly alternative fuels.

Based on Honda’s futuristic FCX concept car, the new vehicle will feature the silent ride and zero emissions attributed to fuel cells, which create electricity through a chemical process that emits only water vapor at the tailpipe. Furthermore, the vehicle will be able to travel an estimated 270 miles between refueling stops, and will display a range meter instead of a fuel gauge within the four-seater cabin. The potential hang-up, however, will be infrastructure, as there are a very limited number of hydrogen fueling stations in place throughout the U.S. Honda President Takeo Fukui, however, doesn’t seem too worried about that issue, confidently stating “When the demand is there, it [the hydrogen economy] will happen.” That’s the kind of forward thinking that seems to be leading Honda to make this major push in the first place. Now that the seal is broken, it’s likely that other automakers will follow with a sense of urgency.

The vehicle will initially be made available to Japan and the U.S. It will be shown to the public this November at the Los Angeles Auto Show.

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  • Craig

    The real problem with using fuel cells is that right now the source of hydrogen will come from hydrocarbons. To really make this work well, we need to use wind and solar power to extract the hydrogen from water. Then we’ll be entering a low pollution future.

  • Duder

    Excellant, But in a few years the Oil Cartels will be selling Hydrogen at the same price that gas is now.They will blame that on Research and devolopment! Same B.S!

    Maybe, but at least there won’t be as much pollution. However, if all the cars released water vapor instead of co2, I wonder if that will make cities really humid, or rain alot?

  • Eric Sorenson

    Excellant, But in a few years the Oil Cartels will be selling Hydrogen at the same price that gas is now.They will blame that on Research and devolopment! Same B.S!

  • PW

    We should have expected Honda or Toyota to be the first to release a hydrogen car. You knew it wouldn’t be GM because they like to show prototypes of futuristic cars, to put on a good show. They just want to make low mileage gas guzzlers and reap big profits for the corporate big shots. Honda or Toyota deserve any and all profits they make for being inovative companies and coming out with the best hybrids and now a hydrogen car.

  • NPD

    First of all, the styling on the Hydrogen Fuel Cell car is very cool; it is futuristic without looking freakish.

    BMW has had a fleet of hydrogen powered 7-series sedans for years. Their official line is that they will be ready with hydrogen cars when hydrogen stations are ready.

    So it seems Honda is beating BMW to the punch by being optimistic that fueling stations will “appear” and offering hydrogen cars for general sale (is 1000 cars truly released for “general sale”)? If we are lucky perhaps hydrogen filling stations will come on line in some of the larger “green” cities in the US, like San Fran or LA. I live in Alabama, and we don’t even have one E-85 station available to the public in the whole state. I suspect the cars will be lease-only so Honda will have the option of recalling the cars (but probably not crushing them) if the technology doesn’t work out.

    The hydrogen must be made from a carbon neutral source, otherwise this technology is a losing proposition for the environment. I understand it takes a lot of energy to create the hydrogen equivalent of one gallon of gasoline. If you burn fossil fuels to create the hydrogen, you would be better off just using the fossil fuel itself.

    Ultimately hydrogen cars would be great if the initial energy source is renewable. Hydrogen will also help in helping reduce pollutants in urban air.

    For the near term, I’m hoping for a cool Honda CR-Z 2 door hybrid in the coming years that can get some great gas mileage. If it doesn’t come along, I may be driving an electric motorcycle like Vectrix or Enertia. Even in Alabama we have power outlets…

  • sean

    I wonder if any one has calculated the net effect of using hydrogen made from fossil fuel instead of using fossil fuel running a car? If we use less fossil fuel (and lass polution), it’s good. Even if the net effect is zero, it’s still good in terms of polution if the hydrogen plants are not in a crowded city. Only if we use more fossil fuel to produce hydrogen to drive the same distance as we use fossil fuel directly, we should be worried.

  • Dirk

    “It Figures
    By PW
    We should have expected Honda or Toyota to be the first to release a hydrogen car. “

    What the &^^%%$ do people like you get out of constantly bashing American car firms and American workers ? Please move to Japan!

  • Charles

    How much will it cost? 100K? I will still try to buy one! Also they are making an optional home hydrogen generator to convert natural gas to H in your garage its about as big as a barbecue grill. that is what I read.

  • Merf

    The oil cartels won’t run this one because you can produce hydrogen by a number of different methods including wind and solar as mentioned above.

    P.S. It’s the workers. They make the crap they are told to. There are plenty of American workers making Toyotas and Hondas.

  • Merf

    Opps. I meant to say it’s not the workers. It’s the leadership of the American manufacturers that is to blame. Most of the American stuff is made outside of the US anyway.


    My boots are not made for walking as much as they were in my younger years. Build me a elect, gas,and solar scotter so I can eat American Steak. Already built a improved heat grabber a couple of years ago for my home. We all can help.Gmavin

  • Hal Howell

    That’s great and I aplaud Honda for being forward thinking. However, by the time its affordable for me I will probably be too old to drive. I guess I’ll just have to stick with my Hydrocarbon powered Prius. Which isn’t bad considering I will get twice the range than the Hydrogen powered Honda at a fraction of the cost.

  • Andy

    In volume less than 1000 the price has surely got to be an easy 100 grand.

    Clearly this isn’t a profitable venture but it sure is visionary. The best I can figure for their motive is that it will seed the hydrogen infrastructure that could be their future salvation.

  • K

    Hydrogen is inferior, wasteful, and worthless. Should everybody decided that they want to drive hydrogen cars, the power that would require the production of hydrogen would be astronomical. Do some research, start by looking at this pretty diagram.

    And this is for Dirk with the “bashing Americans” comment, Americans suck, Japanese are smarter, more innovative, cleaner, and friendlier than Americans (and I’m American, I’d “move to Japan and eat rice” in a heartbeat if I could)

  • ex-EV1 driver

    Kudos to Honda for bravery in attempting something different. Shame on them for being so stupid.
    The problem with hydrogen (H2) is that there is no natural source of it on our planet. It must be manufactured and that takes a lot of energy just to make it.
    If you start with natural gas, it will waste about 25% of the natural gas to just produce H2 when you could just burn the natural gas in an internal combustion engine (ICE) like the Honda Civic GX.
    If you produce it by electrolyzing water with electricity (whether from solar, wind, gas, coal, etc), you waste about 80% of the electricity and only about 20% actually goes to the road. A plug-in hybrid (PHEV) or pure Battery Electric Vehicle (BEV) only lose about 20% of the electricity so you will go a lot more miles with your energy source.
    As far as the fuel cells themselves go, they are a very complex and expensive system. I doubt you will ever see them for less than a few $10’s of K – just for the motor. The cars will likely never cost less than $100K and the first ones will probably cost over $500K although I’m sure they will be subsidized for a while.
    Contrast this with cheap electric motors and even batteries are quite cheap relative to a fuel cell.
    Regarding the H2: H2 is the smallest molecule in existance. Therefore, everything is permeable to it. H2 will leak out of any tank so it can’t be stored for very long without losing it. This means that it cannot be stockpiled or stored but must be produced a few days before it is used. While subtle, this will make any H2 infrastructure very complex and expensive.
    Hopefully, Honda will prove me wrong but H2 looks to me like a ruse to keep producing old fashioned gasoline fueled ICE vehicles for another few decades before having to actually do the right thing (PHEVs and BEVs).

  • Tim – Milwaukee

    Maybe in the meantime Honda could offer filling sites at their dealerships?

    If that’s all I had to do to fill up, I’d buy one.

    Way to go Honda!!

  • av

    “”It Figures
    By PW
    We should have expected Honda or Toyota to be the first to release a hydrogen car. ”

    What the &^^%%$ do people like you get out of constantly bashing American car firms and American workers ? Please move to Japan and eat rice! “

    This comment always cracks me up. Let’s review, shall we?

    Honda Accord: built in Ohio
    Toyota Camry: built in Kentucky
    Chevy Impala: built in Ontario
    Ford Fusion: built in Mexico

    So tell me, *who’s* bashing American workers here?

  • TSB

    I have read that water vapor is a greenhouse gas – in fact, more so than CO2.

    Can somebody clear this up for me?

  • Max Reid

    There is big talk about Hydrogen even though the # of vehicles running on this fuel is < 1000. On the other hand, there are 7 million + vehicles running on natgas, but no talk about it. Amusing, so where is the Hydrogen going to come from. And how come Honda believes in Hydrogen, but not plugins. Only Time will tell whether the Hydrogen economy is going to materialize, or natgas and biofuels will shoot into prominence.

  • Q

    For those bashing Hydrogen in favor of electric, please remember that cars are not the only thing using gas. Try running a plane with electric. Think about how much fossil fuel is used in other applications and realize that Battery Electric Vehicles are a stepping stone. They are a GOOD stepping stone, but not where it needs to end up. Also realize that Hydrogen and EVs can co-exist, since both technologies (primarily) use similar motors once the energy potential is converted to electricity. Once both are being made, demand can determine which is preferred. Right now, I can’t even convert my own car to a decent electric car due to price constraints. I just want to be able to have my Electric car for commuting and my Hydrogen car for trips. Honda is making that a reality. Hopefully GM will pull their head out and realize that they are about to get passed again and not make the same mistakes they did in the 70’s.

  • Daniel

    well this is a hot subject judging by teh number of post in a short amount of time. So let me weigh in on a few of them. First yes making H2 from natural gas does defeat the purpose of being “green”. However a benefit is convenance in that you can fill up in your own home. Creating H2 from water via solar or wind, is ineffecent however it is free (minus cell or windmill cost)and very green. It would seam to me that a solar cell array on the roof of my garage to create the H2 while I’m at work, would create H2 for my “fill up” the following morning. Wind power makes more sence to deploy on a community level vs a individual home, so I’ll leave that for another day. once a large enough percentage of drivers are using a renewable green and most important decenteralized fuel source market forces will make gasoline for cars a much less powerful market force it is today. As far as pure electric cars are concerned I see the competition between to two similar in concept to the gasoline Vs. Dissel engines of today. both have there pros and cons. Which will prevail…both. I have to disagree with the cost estimate above of 500K. Even 100K seams to far fetched. But before I talk about price numbers I’d like to see some numbers from the manufacture. Otherwise its just guess work. Finally ICE’s are on the way out I think we can all agree on that. What we’re argueing now is VHS Vs Beta. In the end it might be price that wins out.

  • l34thl3

    i disagree with some comments since hybrid cars do help reduce carbon emissions.There are their downfalls such as for blind people the relie on their hearing but in general they help with the issue of reducing carbon emissoions

  • l34thl3

    yes i know who u are but talk only about the subject u bloody idiot .batteries mo dont ya know there is a longer life battery for hybrid cars

  • keith

    With sudid, will electricity ever run out?

    My opinion about hybrid cars is that it looks like a really good idea. No more oil spills in the sea! anyway, Earth will be using MUCH more electricity and we COULD have a shortage on power. Do you have to recharge your car everday? That could be a much more better thing than driving off to the petrol station, looking at the gas prices while you are filling up your car with oil. But we will need more sockets in the walls, won’t we?

  • Keith

    Hey, l34thl3, imagine three quarters of the world using electricity everyday, every year. People will count on electricity like they care for their lives. So, what IF there was no electricity? Oh, the world would be in chaos. And what IF scientists couldnt find a new energy source to support electricity? They would have to postpone th realease of hybrid cars, won’t they?

  • PaKo

    I have no love for Oil Companies. A little competition from another sector could be what is needed to help them realize that there are better ways to use crude oil than sticking with the status quo. Hydrogen is the most plentiful element on earth and can be made from many sources. Current internal combustion engines can easily be converted to run on Hydrogen or other gases. Hydrogen as a fuel is not a new concept it has been around for 150 years or more.

  • Aaron

    If you make the hydrogen by splitting water with electricity from wind or solar, then great.

    Unfortunately, the Bush administration has made sure the head of the table in this effort is held by the oil companies. If you are making the hydrogen from hydrocarbons, then burning it in a fuel cell, you are delusional if you think you are doing any good for american energy independence, the environment or anything else.

    The challenge becomes producing the hydrogen without using hydrocarbons (e.g., wind, solar, nuclear,…).

    Only George Bush could be stupid or mendacious enough to come up with such a plan. And it’s a republican saying that!

  • Vlad

    It’s been said a couple times that the efficiencies for converting water into hydrogen are pretty low and at the moment inefficient, making it a silly waste of energy to produce hydrogen and then use it in a car insted of just using electricity or gas straight away in the car.

    Let’s not forget that the steam engine started out with an efficiency of only 3%, internal combustion engines were similar. The reason why these technologies became so efficient was because of the ongoing high demand production and research into them, in the case of internal combustion, current cars have had a century to mature. I don’t doubt hydrogen will be the same way, it has to start somewhere, which is why I aplaude Honda’s guttsy and future thinking move. As hydrogen cars begin to take hold of a larger segment of the market, over time, this will push the development of new technologies and materials. I think it’s inevitable that the efficiencies of both the production and use of hydrogen will approach those of the current internal combustion engine, and costs will obviously also go down, even if this is the far off future. This is the thinking behind the hydrogen economy anyway.

    Also, in the case of going Plug in Hybrid or Battery Electric Vehicle, I’d just like to point out the environmental impacts of the production and disposal of the chemical batteries, there can be some pretty toxic stuff involved.

  • Benjamin

    I do not believe that Hydrogen will in the near future be a source for automobile power, or anyother. Oil reserves are plentiful, and new means of Climat/Geo Engineering will alow us to control the earths temp. Lowell Wood has developed a way to inject sulfate particles into the atmosphere… The earth will be saved, and we can continue on our marry ways with our jets, trucks and other gas powered toys. It will be great, let science lead the way!

  • anonymous

    I like the idea of a car fueled from hydrogen and that all it emits is water vapor!
    To all you people who are knowledged about global warming and the greenhouse effect, you will know that water vapor is a green house gas.
    So yes with this new technology we’re trying to get rid of our dependancy on oil but we still are emitting greenhouse gasses and contributing to global warming.

  • holly

    well i just wanted to say. this new car does sound good. BUT right now I am PISSED at those Japanese…They kill seals (you know Hayden Panattierie from Hero’s) tried to stop the slaughter and now they are going after 1000 whales in protected Antarctic waters. What the heck is the matter with those JAPANESE….you know they are not doing this for the environment. You can not consider a country like that environmentally friendly. Shame on them. When the BMW comes out I will give them my business. Not the Japanese…unless they change their ways….

  • jay

    “water vapor is a green house gas.”

    right, but its a lot easier to condense water vapor into liquid water (good!) than it is to store carbon monoxide/carbon dioxide as solids. it probably won’t be long before hydrogen fuel cell cars get water condensers on their tailpipes.

    by the way, i just got this new zero emissions, high mileage vehicle. its called a freakin bike. get one.

  • Mr Wizard

    Kudos to anyone who developes a different fuel source personal or commercial vehicle to transport anything. Let the number crunchers determine which is best. Blame no one, put no one down. The bean counters rule the world as cheaper is always better in their minds. Why not capture the power of the solar winds and microwave the energy to the poles and around the world via satellite. The earth as a planet has a limited amount of energy to acquire and use. Recycle when effective. Saving is not always cheaper, but with a limited resource, always better. Always and never are always prone to exceptions.
    Our planet is a box, we all must share and get along or we will become extinct. Nature provides checks and balances when plant or animal populations exceed the worlds or even any specific areas resources. Think outside the box. Us humans depend on it.

  • Drew

    ok i get that everybody in this world wants their opinion heard but why is there always a person who must step on someone else’s post… let it go voice your opinion in a respectable manner this why other countries think we are ignorant… everyone has a voice right or wrong make your argument respectably

    yes automotive parts are imported some are made here in the us most cars from foreign makers are assembled here anyways

    we are all people who want to be heard and respected for our opinions so if you have an argument do some research before you post something you think is right help people out with information

    god bless America, the troops, and of course all of you

    love thy neighbor which we all our

  • Wondering

    Before knowing that Honda was using hydrogen to fuel the car, I wondered if they were using water.

    I was thinking that with the new water heaters we have that produce instant hot water why can’t you make a car along the same lines as the steam locomotives using that type of technology?

    Nothing’s impossible. Just have to let the genius types keep trying till one of them gets the right answer.

  • Harry

    Everyone is going to complain. Some will like it and some will complain about it. All the time. Have any of you been to the EU. Well here is a good answer to a big problem. Build more train tracks. Okay you can’t chose your own speed like every US citizen wants. Complain about that. Live in fear america. Good luck to you.

  • wayne

    I assume it takes more fossil fuel to produce Hydrogen into a usable form. If it is in liquid, it will need to be compressed and will require a tremendous amount of energy. No one seems to be talking about polluting to get cars to emit less. The net pollution will probably be the same or more.

    BTW – EU – Germans tend to drive as fast as they want and are killing the black forest at the same time.

  • jj

    Gas is becoming more expensive because it’s becoming harder to retrieve it. Gas is made of fossil fuels which are the remains of plants and animals that lived more than 300 million years ago, when the only animals on the earth were sea life, amphibians and the earliest reptiles, Bonnie Juetner a writer and editor of children’s reference books and educational video states. Gail Haines, winner of 1989’s Science Writing Award for Science Writing informed me that, ninety percent of the world’s oil reserves have already been discovered. It seems eventually the world will run out of oil. Therefore, the prices of rare items are costly, such as imported oil.

  • Terry Thomas

    take a look at its the best and cheapest way ive found to save gag

  • bob wilson

    This report really helped me on my essay about global warming im interested to see what the future holds!

  • J. Adams

    Hondas hydrogen home fueling station built by Power Plug Co. runs on natural gas which is about 25% cleaner than on electricity from fossil fuel fired power plants. They will be soon configured for solar power using the most advanced nanosolar film. You will be able to power your house off this film as well as your hydrogen generator. Remember that technological progress is accelerating quickly and the personal computor ,cell phones and LCD televisions are getting better and cheaper everyday. So will hydrogen transportation

  • S. Wheeler

    Its nice to know the price of these cars. Im excited to know how much a fuel cell car will cost, but it seems that its being covered up.

  • DW

    I think that instead of the complications involved with fuel cell technology, hydrogen should be used in a internal combustion engine. That technology is proven to be reliable and it is already developed. Remember when people put the LPG kits on cars and trucks. Who says we can’t do the same thing with hydrogen, and hydrogen stations could be wind or solar powered. As far as the oil in the crankcase goes most are using synthetic polymers even now.

  • NDN

    You can defend American Car manufactures anyway you want, But please do not add
    negative words. It only make people thinks that you are a race discrimator. You will
    fail to make your point.

  • H_lady

    umm…well first of all why do people always have to immature and turn something as simple as an article on Hydrogen Fuel Cells into a racial battle. Who cares!! Seriously, yes the japanese may have more success right now. And yes the American Made cars have been slacking of lately, but honesly, do we really have to act like a bunch of “americans” just by arguing about racial supremecy! That is basically the definition of America Today, which race will rise up and become the most dominant. Anyway we are getting off topic!

    And no i dont think you would move to Japan anyway! you probably have a life here in America, and you are just upset and jelous of japan that American made cars are not innovative as Japanese cars. Even if u really did want to move and you did…you would not fit in and would get a bunch of BS about how ur from america, and american made cars suck and bla bla bla,

    so dont friggen bash ur own country man!! respect…thats what its all about…dont ditch us, help america improve!!

    and no i am not a hipee

    just an american

  • Walt

    To make a comment like that about a Co. that is willing to spent the money and go as far as they have, even when the opposition is fueling negative thinking to protect there own interests. One should asked the question why did we not due this thing with hydrogen, and soon you can see the self serving reasons our automobil manufacturing have. I do not need to go in to details, for an eight year old can see the interests in ( burn more Oil ). So get another job if you want to have an income, maybe you could get a job at Honda making rice burners. Or better yet hydrogen Cars.

  • rachel

    av, are you jealous?

  • Market Pros

    To J. Adams. Your comments are True and Genius.

  • bigman

    Look… you mention about pollution. I have to tell you… I lived in pollution all my life and when it comes to getting a new vehicle, you look at bottom line. Why am I going to go to another technology if there is no incentive to me in getting it? So what I’m saying is that pollution doesn’t matter to me, there will always be pollution. Having a pollution savings is the bi-product, the main goal here is to gain savings.

  • Outside the box

    Do we all realize that riding a bicycle and walking more solves 3-4 problems….that is to say a reduction in consumption which is what is driving the market, lower emissions into the environment, and the real incentive is you will soon be able to see your shoes as your waste line and health care costs decrease

  • Anonymous

    You will be able to get the Honda for 600$ a month If they through with it.

  • travis zeth

    I have read most of the comments. Ones that say they dont care about pollution that they live in it all there lives and only care about the pollution as much as the money they have sounds alot like the oil companys. Thats exactly what we dont need to think. I agree that hydreden in time will solve many co2 problums, however we need to solve the electrical power problums hydrogen will do us little good to help the envirment untill that happens. Nucular porwer is probably the most effecint and logical solution we have to solve it but it comes with its own down falls as well all that spent rodeoactive shit has to go somewhere. Solor would be the cleanest way to go but would need large land areas and that is a very big problum to over come. we could put them on our houses that creats the problum of storing the power to use when the sun is not shinning. Wind is not as clean do to the fact of how much miterial goes into making them and then the upkeep of them but no co2 emmisons after being biult still a very good solution. hydroeletric is not an aption it dose far to much dammege to the fish and wildlife though temmting as it my be. geothermal is an example of great thinking using what the earth gives us natrualy is exsacly the kind of power that we need. With all this said looking at the world not only the envirmentl desasters that are accuring faster than we could have ever pridictied but the threat of what will happen when the strain on the econlmey becomes to much and the treat of wars looks emenite to fight for whats left of the oil. The time we have left to fix the damege we have couased as a species to the world grose shorter we must pull together not as a nation but as a world in wicth we all share. Hydrogen power is but a small part of a very large problum we all share. Will we wait untill its far to late or will we act NOW.

  • travis zeth

    oil is every where in plastic, rubber, nylon,our rads are maid with oil. This is for u cheap baterded woried about cost somthin to think about. crud oil dobled in cost in the last 10 years at the curent rate it will duble again within the next 5 then u r goin to cry having to fill up that fuckin oil guzzlin hog even a civic my cost over 100 dollers to fill up. Yes hydrogen is pritty in efficent to make so what we can make power withought making greenhouse gas u can not make oil do that. The butifull thing with hydrogen is that its made from water somthing we can all get to and ellecritity is also something many peple can get very easily So in theroy we wont need oil companies so get it for us we could use a machen that would make it for us in our own home.

  • Not travis

    horrible spelling Travis…. horrible spelling. 15 misspelled words, not including word abbreviations, but you do have a good point. however it would be taken more seriously if you could watch the spelling =)

  • Anonymous

    15 misspelled words? Look at both comments. Rodeoactive. I was hysterical. I had to save both comments to my computer, it was so funny. Anyways. While hydrogen is apparently on the rise, battery powered cars have been around for years, and have never really caught on, due to obvious ineffiency. Funding comes from public interest, and public requirements, and if Honda has begun a push towards hydrogen, thats where the momentum is headed.

  • Mikejustaguest

    We get nothing…exactly the same as we’ve gotten from the big US automakers. Nobody is bashing the American worker……in fact the opposite. I am one of the American workers and I want to be able to afford to get to work!

    The Big 3 have (had?) the most money and resources for decades. They spent it all designing pick up trucks for people who never pick anything up.

  • Veronica

    Can we make hybrids that rely on hydrogen power instead of gas? That way, we could minimize the problem with using fossil fuels and the amount of vapor emissions.
    Please please please, somebody make a cute hybrid convertible that uses hydrogen or some other clean source of energy!

  • Dick C

    It’s the FIRST STEP. The technology will EVOLVE into ways of storing H2 in a very few months not years. We will, as intelligent HOMO Sapiens will find WAYS to produce H2 from renewable sources, and we will be using this type of fuel or system to run almost everything in the future (the Genie is out), it is a process and more developments to come. Just like in the past, when people said the it would be impossible for gasoline stations to be built all over US when the Ford model T’s came into mass production and many people were pessimistic about the availability to buy the fuel nationwide, but it happened because the demand was there. So please many of you people thought that it would never work should stop thinking that way or we better start accepting about the reality of forever buying fossil fuels from Middle Eastern Countries. Don’t blame the Saudi’s or OPEC if they raise the price of a barrel of fuel because the demand is high and let alone the businessmen who manipulate the prices here. So OOOORAAH to those cavemen who embrace H2 technology and shame on you HALF BREED NEANDERTHALS!

  • Andy Hornick

    Making H2 from electricity sourced from solar would be fine, but then why not just make energy from solar and store it in an electric car battery. This skips all the efficiency losses in the H2 system. From this approach, H2 would not be the choice unless the H2 cycle can be proven to be more efficient than the storage batteries and motors. Not probable.

  • Matt From Nowhere

    Andy, the reason why we don’t just create the electricity and use only electricity is due to it not being very portable. Also, the fluids inside batteries can be rather nasty themselves.
    What if you want to drive a long distance? Are you going to stop along the way and hope there is wind? Are you going to wait a day or more while your battery charges from that solar wind?

    That’s why we need a physical substance that we can create electicity/chemical reactions from on demand, so when we are halfway through our trip, we don’t need to wait a day, we can simply fill our “tanks” and continue on.

    Hope that explains it.

  • Matt From Nowhere


    I have NO idea why I said SOLAR WIND……that makes no sense.
    I was typing quickly. I assume I meant “or more while your battery charges from those wind mills or solar panels?”

    anyway…carry on!

  • Dano

    I am glad to see Honda taking the first step to getting us out of this monopoly from the big ones.
    No one has mentioned my idea of producing hydrogen with the existing dams throughout the country, using some of their power and water would probably supply most of these cars for awhile.This would also be done without any air pollution,and the cost would be almost nothing to produce.Of course we would have to eventually move to using a hopefully safer nuclear energy for all our electricity needs as we start using too much for the dams to handle.
    All I know is something has to change and Honda has everyone talking.

  • Red

    I’ve read through most of the comments here and I’m surprised nobody knew that this is not Honda’s first fuel cell vehicle. People are talking about Honda passing GM and GM needs to get on the ball and BMW’s 7 series hydrogen cars, but the FCX Clarity is Honda’s SECOND generation fuel cell vehicle. Honda is about one generation beyond what everyone else is doing. The original FCX was ugly as sin and not very practical. This one, is obviously markedly different. The best part about it is it’s the size of an Accord, but has far more interior space. The downside is trunk space is obviously down, with everything that’s back there. Still, it’s enough for a light-weekend pack without having to had to resort to an SUV, unlike what other companies are doing, which pretty much negates many gains if you’re still using a large system because of the added weight.

    Also, to those questioning whether this was a smart move or not, you all need to remember Honda is a “mobility” company, not just an “automaker”. Unlike GM, Toyota, Ford, Chrysler, Fiat, etc, Honda has built solar charged facilities (in Japan) and hydrogen fueling stations that also double as home heating and powering stations for years. Again, they’re about one or two generations ahead in that area, as I recall everyone is focusing on hydrogen cars, but not the actual stations to fill them. Two days ago, however, GM announced they’re partnering with another company to produce and sell hydrogen fueling stations. The only real difference is Honda does this in-house primarily, but I’m not entirely sure whether they intend to sell these to the states or not. They’re either available or near-available in Japan, however.

    In addition someone mentioned that water vapors are GHGs. This is true, but not of liquid water. The FCX Clarity condenses the vapors and converts it to water. The only thing coming out of the tailpipe is liquid water.

    The future certainly looks interesting with Honda and GM leading the way.

  • Lynch

    well ummm, ok. I guess it makes perfect sense to sell these at a high price < ------(sarcasm). Dumb, it's even more stupid to be selling these at such a premium sense the economy is in the crapper at the moment and houses aren't selling for damn. The last thing we need now is a good car that pushes out watervapor instead of gas and oil vehicles. I bet these cars will most likely start off really high, like some people said. most likely $100,000. it will take a good 5 to 7 years to even be affordable anyway. Most likely within 5 to 7 years it will be $40,000 maybe $30,000. I don't expect these vehicles to even hit $15,000 in 10 years. The prices for a gas car compared to these cars are still a better deal but if they REALLY wanted to stop pollution and not care about the $$$ in there wallet, they would make these cars affordable for everyone and get rid of gas guzzling vehicles. Whichever, I wont be excited about this vehicle till it’s affordable for everyone but since it wont be, it’s a pointless vehicle.

  • Lynch

    What I meant by saying “The last thing we need now is a good car that pushes out watervapor instead of gas and oil”, is that, we don’t need something that is so good with a price tag of $30,000, 40,000, 50,000+, or $100,000. if they are going to even sell these vehicles at those prices, then they are worthless. Right now people are loosing their houses and are having a hell of a time finding jobs. If they do sell them at such high prices, then no one should even bother because then it’s just a money making/publicity stunt.

    What will happen then once these become affordable? I will bet the gas prices will drop down so low and gas guzzling cars will sell so cheap that people will still be buying gas guzzling cars. The oil companies want as much cash as they can get.

  • Jimmy Ray

    The Company that comes out with a Hydrogen Generator that is in the Home will create a HUGE market for the Hydrogen Fuel Cell car.

    Hint hint.

  • johnandrews52

    Can we run our car with water and gas?
    Can anybody tell me is the HHO Gas is real working or is another scam?

  • ronaldcollins

    hi there, I use water to fuel a car as a supplement to gasoline. In fact, very little water is needed, only one quart of water provides over 1800 gallons of HHO gas which can literally last for months and significantly increase your car fuel efficiently, improve emissions quality, and save money. I found the way through this site i really recommend it to everybody, it’s a nice ebook where you can find the instructions on how to do it! take a look.

  • pan

    It will take time, but eventually hydrocarbons will become the past. There are alot of factors that come into removing oil market. Can we abrubtly stop using oil or will that destroy the economies of the countries who depend on it for money? can we stop using oil until other alternatives become affordable for everyone, then at that point will it be banned to prevent further use? getting hydrogen from water is very easy, but the platinum catalyst) used can be pretty pricey and it needs to be replaced after time. You can use nickel and iron but its slow and the salts will corrode them away quicker. and I hate to say it but the 4% platinum in stainless steel just isn’t enough. You also need a high salinity water for the elctrolysis to work (pure water is perfectly insulating) and this is death to any metal and even some plastics so I don’t know how these people who switched their cars over will fare in a couple years. You would have to use a fiber composite material or possibly PVC for anything the water comes in contact with.
    Eventually we will find a better way to get hydrogen from water using a battery.

  • Anonymous

    If you are willing to suspend disbelief long enough to do solid research, you will find that there is an existing techonolgy by which we can derive hydrogen on demand from water.
    Electrolysis is nothing new in the world of science. Actually, in England it is one of the standard lessons on the highschool curriculum.
    By passing an electric current through the water, the hydrogen is freed.
    There are a great many people working extensively on this.
    The trouble seemed to be getting an adequate flow of Hydrogen on demand to drive at highways speeds. That is the hurdle that many people are pouring considerable amounts of time and money into for some time now, and is sure to be overcome.
    N.B. The energy from this process is not derived from the dissolution of the molecular bond, but from the combustion of Hydrogen.
    A conculsion reached without honest and thorough research, is nothing but imagination.

    see: Notice – at the end they mention – the most important thing about this car is it runs on hydrogen derived from sea water.

  • Cheapside

    The smart thing for Honda to do would be to make their car so that you fill the ‘tank’ with water, and a mechanism that separates the Hydrogen and Oxygen on demand. This way, the Hydrogen, which is very volatile, won’t be explosive since there is none stored on the vehicle. It is produced only when there is a demand for it, and the end results are the same — water for emissions instead of carbon.

  • Ronnie Monco

    So what about the folks who are making their own hydro cells and boosting their gas mileage? They seem to be able to increase the mileage by 30 to 40 Percent with a system that costs only a few dollars to make and only $100 to $400 to purchase ready to go. You can see them on you tube actually driving the cars and runniing them on hydrogen. sort of a hybrid. Just type in homemade hydrogen cell and look around abit.

  • Donna Winters

    If you need electricity from solor/wind to create the hydrogen then why not just go direct to electric. Electricity doesn’t explode like hydrogen. If you are not getting the range you want then add another battery. I hear there is lots of room without the combustable engine.

  • Layne

    Who care about planes? There will be enough reduction in gasoline consumption from not using gasoline to power cars that airline travel will be affordable again. Unless you are looking at from a pure tree hugger perspective.

  • Donald

    We are fortunate enough to have 3 vehichles (all of which are paid for) that are in good operating condition. I have already stated to my wife and others that I will not buy another gasoline powered vehicle. Now, assuming all goes well with my current lot of vehicles, that may be a reality.
    Personally, I would love nothing more than to send the Arabs back to the stone age, which is where they belong and they can kiss our collective asses.

  • Roger Masters

    The question of whether the production of hydrogen will require massive energy and involve pollution (compare Craig’s comment) illustrates how rapidly a “common sense” question is answered by the combination of FACTS and TECHNOLOGY. Craig’s assumption about the method of producing hydrogen as fuel (that it would cause pollution and be expensive) is apparently false (as far as Honda is concerned): see
    <>. The hydrogen producing device shown on this site makes possible a “home using Home Energy Station IV to help produce heat and electricity and also to refuel and FCX Clarity” — a process that “can reduce CO2 emissions by an estimated 30 percent and energy costs by an estimated 50 percent.” Whether it will work only time will tell, but the essential point is that instead of drilling for oil in the Atlantic, as President Bush proposed (AFTER the Honda announcement), we all need to shift gears and focus on hydrogen as the fuel of the future. The major issue will be the transition costs for our entire oil based automobile SYSTEM. I would propose the Federal Government establish a $3 billion loan fund to permit the auto industry and other gasoline suppliers to convert to the coming hydrogen systems (of which Honda won’t be the only one; BMW already has a hydrogen car). Much of that fund may go to license the Honda technology: if so, so be it. Ultimately, the loans get paid off. (And if they didn’t, $3 billion is small change compared to the $3 trillion cost that Columbia University’s Nobel Prize winning economist Stiglitz estimates as the total cost of the war in Iraq to date). This shift to hydrogen is an urgent matter of national security, since with the hydrogen fuel-based economy, we can tell the Arabs to drink their oil.

  • Brian A NY

    With all this talk about using a massive amount of fossil fuels to make Hydrogen, the US should build hundreds of Nuclear Power Plants. They then can use this power to make Hydrogen and also power the Grid for use in Plug in Vehilces. With the Honda at home Hydrogen maker, a by product of fuel cell coversion is heat, this heat can be used for domestics hot water, heat and also for cooling by using evaporators/chillers. Industries that require heat or hot water for production can use fuel cells for electric use and the resulting heat in thier factories. This process is called cogeneration and has been aroound for years. I beleive Hydrogen Fuel Cells is the way to go and will be around for years.

  • M.T. Swinehart

    You obviously have spent no time in Japan. They love to have you visit and are polite to a fault. But, they do not want you to stay…and certainly will never accept you into their culture or their families, Gaijin!

  • Rice Eater

    Hi I eat rice over here in Japan and take offence at your “hydrogen is worthless comment.” Dude, I have 2kilowatts worth of solar panels on my house. I use the excess solar power during the day to produce hydrogen and store that in tanks. Then I use the hydrogen to produce any make up power during particularly rainy periods. And….I could fill up a Honda FCX and drive 270miles for zippedy free.
    Sunny areas of the world have a huge advantage regarding Hydrogen development because the key is to produce the hydrogen on site. At home or on site at the Gas Station (A couple of solar concentrating dishes in warm areas could produce more than enough and mains power would just be a back up). Batteries are cool too. The FCX also uses batteries. Don`t say no to the hydro bro.

  • FOR US

    Hmm, it’s funny but no one seems to mention that there is an American car maker that is producing a Hydrogen Fuel Cell Vehicle, GM. They are test driving them now in New York and LA.

    I also think that Honda’s “If we build it they will make Hydregen filling stations” apporach is flawed. I have never seen an E85 Gas station, and there are hundreds of thousands of E85 vehicles on the road.

    This is a point when we need the goevernment to step in a force this issue. We need a multi-proged approach to breaking free of Middle East oil. More drilling, higher efficiency laws, tax breaks for new ultra-low or non pollutant green technology.

    I am a very patriotic American, but I know we can’t do this alone either, we have become more globally aware as a people. Remember we all do live on the same little rock that everyone else does. By the way, I’m not left wing loonie, I am Republican, I am just using common sense. Let’s keep politics out of this and just make things right.

  • R

    Not so bad.. the by-products are no longer hydrocarbons.

  • Mr. T

    Shhhh!….The Oil companies are listening. Why would we want to use electric engines in our cars that are 90% efficient when we can continue gulping gas in our standard IC-engine cars. It would be completely impossible to take an electric motor just like the ones we use in factories all across this country and put it in our car. And batteries (you know, like the ones we use in our cell phones) would never work because they are too dangerous, right. Although, we put these dangerous batteries right up against our skull everyday….hmmmm.
    These companies don’t want people to know that only 30% of the gas we put in our cars actually move our car! The other 7 out of 10 gallons creates the need for additional equipment to cool our cars – radiators, water pumps, etc. Wow, our automotive companies do a great job of marketing, don’ t they.
    Even our current hybrid cars are only 60% efficient. But I digress. Why should we really worry our pretty little heads about such trivial things.
    The electric outlets that are currently in my garage should really only be used to re-charge my hedge trimmer. And even though the energy required to move me to work and back every day would be less than the electricity that my AC uses, why would I want to increase my electric bill by $30 a month – when I can continue making my monthly $400 contribution to OPEC?
    Or if one chose to install a solar energy system at their house, they could be off the grid and practically never stop at another gas station again.
    But….SHHHH!….the oil companies are listening.

  • Anonymous

    Check out this webpage:

    E85 is making its way to California. Near my home two opening by end of 2008. If it does work out to be cheaper to run E85 then you will see a movement in that direction. It just isn’t the case right now. Even with the sky high gas prices 87 octane gives more bang for the buck. Unfortunately the higher unleaded gas prices go the more feasible other fuel types become. Either way we are going to pay, but at least with other fuel types we will not pollute or at least reduce pollution.