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		<title>By: Van</title>
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		<dc:creator>Van</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 23:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Folks like MMF who constantly question the qualifications and character of those expressing opposing view are mindless twits, pushing logical fallacies rather than truth.&lt;br /&gt;
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Only mindless twits claim to know what another understands, as if they were mind readers.  Good grief.&lt;br /&gt;
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Did you see where said the volt transmission operates on the same principle but is configured differently.  &lt;br /&gt;
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The Volt gets 37 MPG in range extending mode, i.e. regular hybrid mode.  The Ford gets 47 MPG, so it is more than 20% more efficient.&lt;br /&gt;
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Now in EV mode, which model gets more miles per Kwh?  We know the Volt goes 38 miles using 10.5 Kwh for a mileage of 3.6 miles per kwh.  Time will tell, i.e. when the EPA sticker comes out for the Fusion Energi.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks like MMF who constantly question the qualifications and character of those expressing opposing view are mindless twits, pushing logical fallacies rather than truth.</p>
<p>Only mindless twits claim to know what another understands, as if they were mind readers.  Good grief.</p>
<p>Did you see where said the volt transmission operates on the same principle but is configured differently.  </p>
<p>The Volt gets 37 MPG in range extending mode, i.e. regular hybrid mode.  The Ford gets 47 MPG, so it is more than 20% more efficient.</p>
<p>Now in EV mode, which model gets more miles per Kwh?  We know the Volt goes 38 miles using 10.5 Kwh for a mileage of 3.6 miles per kwh.  Time will tell, i.e. when the EPA sticker comes out for the Fusion Energi.  </p>
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		<title>By: Modern Marvel Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/honda-plans-three-new-hybrid-systems-52121/#comment-40520</link>
		<dc:creator>Modern Marvel Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 07:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another Van&#039;s misunderstanding:&lt;br /&gt;
First of all, Volt&#039;s power train are similar in concept.  But the differences are in the details.  The planet gears and sun gears are driven by different energy sources.  Saying that they are the same is like saying all the engines are the same whether they are V, H or I since they all pistons, valves and combustion chamber.&lt;br /&gt;
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Now to you second part of the statement.&lt;br /&gt;
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&quot;So we return to the fact that the Ford version seems more than 20% efficient, and I have seen nothing but smoke and mirror responses.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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So, how do you know the &quot;version&quot; is more efficient?  Because of the MPG rating in YOUR regular mode vs. Volt&#039;s extended mode?  If so, it only shows YOU HAVE NO CLUE ON HOW VOLT WORKS.&lt;br /&gt;
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1.  Volt is designed to be EV first.  With larger and heavier motors, batteries, it is designed to be operated as EV most of the time.  It is FAR MORE efficient in that mode than hybrid mode.  Volt&#039;s owner&#039;s 63% EV miles has shown that.&lt;br /&gt;
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2.  The extended range mode has a loss due to additional 700 lbs weight, more performance orientated tires.  More power and heavier electric motors.&lt;br /&gt;
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That is why Volt is designed be EV first and hybrid second.  Prius and C-Max are really just a hybrid and &quot;ev mode&quot; is really a &quot;pretending&quot; mode...&lt;br /&gt;
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Now, get some engineering understand before you whine about Volt&#039;s system again.&lt;br /&gt;
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Your negative comment toward the Volt is tiring...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another Van&#8217;s misunderstanding:<br />
First of all, Volt&#8217;s power train are similar in concept.  But the differences are in the details.  The planet gears and sun gears are driven by different energy sources.  Saying that they are the same is like saying all the engines are the same whether they are V, H or I since they all pistons, valves and combustion chamber.</p>
<p>Now to you second part of the statement.</p>
<p>&#8220;So we return to the fact that the Ford version seems more than 20% efficient, and I have seen nothing but smoke and mirror responses.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, how do you know the &#8220;version&#8221; is more efficient?  Because of the MPG rating in YOUR regular mode vs. Volt&#8217;s extended mode?  If so, it only shows YOU HAVE NO CLUE ON HOW VOLT WORKS.</p>
<p>1.  Volt is designed to be EV first.  With larger and heavier motors, batteries, it is designed to be operated as EV most of the time.  It is FAR MORE efficient in that mode than hybrid mode.  Volt&#8217;s owner&#8217;s 63% EV miles has shown that.</p>
<p>2.  The extended range mode has a loss due to additional 700 lbs weight, more performance orientated tires.  More power and heavier electric motors.</p>
<p>That is why Volt is designed be EV first and hybrid second.  Prius and C-Max are really just a hybrid and &#8220;ev mode&#8221; is really a &#8220;pretending&#8221; mode&#8230;</p>
<p>Now, get some engineering understand before you whine about Volt&#8217;s system again.</p>
<p>Your negative comment toward the Volt is tiring&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2012 23:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Surprising numbers on Natural Gas! Didn&#039;t realized it had moved that fast! (Although  am a bit concerned with Fracking.)  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surprising numbers on Natural Gas! Didn&#8217;t realized it had moved that fast! (Although  am a bit concerned with Fracking.)  </p>
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		<title>By: John D.</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/honda-plans-three-new-hybrid-systems-52121/#comment-40518</link>
		<dc:creator>John D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2012 23:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) is also a bit of a problem too. Yet, there is a lot at stake. Almost 50% of all power generated is lost in the inefficiency of the grid. This is something we have to deal with. Imaging having twice as much electricity in this country as we do now, without generating a single watt more then we do now! That&#039;s what&#039;s at stake with fixing the grid. Unfortunately, what we need are smaller, more local power plants that rely less on long distance transmission lines. Unfortunately, between government regulations and NIMBY, I don&#039;t see that happening either.&lt;br /&gt;
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Even green solutions run into a brick wall. One visit to a wind farm and it becomes obvious why people don&#039;t want to live near them. That 24/7 whoop whoop whoop would drive me nuts as well. &lt;br /&gt;
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Still, I have faith that there are solutions. We just haven&#039;t thought of them yet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) is also a bit of a problem too. Yet, there is a lot at stake. Almost 50% of all power generated is lost in the inefficiency of the grid. This is something we have to deal with. Imaging having twice as much electricity in this country as we do now, without generating a single watt more then we do now! That&#8217;s what&#8217;s at stake with fixing the grid. Unfortunately, what we need are smaller, more local power plants that rely less on long distance transmission lines. Unfortunately, between government regulations and NIMBY, I don&#8217;t see that happening either.</p>
<p>Even green solutions run into a brick wall. One visit to a wind farm and it becomes obvious why people don&#8217;t want to live near them. That 24/7 whoop whoop whoop would drive me nuts as well. </p>
<p>Still, I have faith that there are solutions. We just haven&#8217;t thought of them yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Reid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2012 22:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Only 32% of US Electricity comes from Coal&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.cfm?t=epmt_1_01&lt;br /&gt;
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Natgas has taken a bigger part and the share of Renewables is increasing gradually.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only 32% of US Electricity comes from Coal<br />
<a href="http://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.cfm?t=epmt_1_01" rel="nofollow">http://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.cfm?t=epmt_1_01</a></p>
<p>Natgas has taken a bigger part and the share of Renewables is increasing gradually.</p>
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		<title>By: Van</title>
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		<dc:creator>Van</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2012 22:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The reason our electric infrastructure is inadequate is because government regulation and lawsuits preclude building what is necessary to supply adequate power.  &lt;br /&gt;
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New combined cycle natural gas burning generating units could replace the old coal plants when they get to be 40 or so years old.&lt;br /&gt;
Thus a natural evolution to domestic energy is technologically possible, but politically impossible.  Since a majority of Americans vote for the Democrats who never saw a regulation they did not like, our future of inadequate electrical infrastructure is pretty much assured.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason our electric infrastructure is inadequate is because government regulation and lawsuits preclude building what is necessary to supply adequate power.  </p>
<p>New combined cycle natural gas burning generating units could replace the old coal plants when they get to be 40 or so years old.<br />
Thus a natural evolution to domestic energy is technologically possible, but politically impossible.  Since a majority of Americans vote for the Democrats who never saw a regulation they did not like, our future of inadequate electrical infrastructure is pretty much assured.</p>
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		<title>By: John D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2012 20:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Honda would catch up with Toyota if it wasn&#039;t for one fact- Toyota is not a stationary object. They are continually tweaking things and improving their mileage. &lt;br /&gt;
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As for the Volt. Great car, but will be better in a few years. GM has more baggage at the corporate level and needs to free itself. &lt;br /&gt;
Regarding clutches etc., yes three, but yes, designed more as an EV first.&lt;br /&gt;
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The problems with EV right now is it is dirtier due to the fact that 42% of our electric comes from coal.  This too will change, but may be evolutionary as compared to revolutionary. &lt;br /&gt;
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And the 800 pound gorilla award goes to the fact that our grid is not in good enough shape to throw a large percentage of transportation on it. Yet...  Off peak plans may help to a point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honda would catch up with Toyota if it wasn&#8217;t for one fact- Toyota is not a stationary object. They are continually tweaking things and improving their mileage. </p>
<p>As for the Volt. Great car, but will be better in a few years. GM has more baggage at the corporate level and needs to free itself. <br />
Regarding clutches etc., yes three, but yes, designed more as an EV first.</p>
<p>The problems with EV right now is it is dirtier due to the fact that 42% of our electric comes from coal.  This too will change, but may be evolutionary as compared to revolutionary. </p>
<p>And the 800 pound gorilla award goes to the fact that our grid is not in good enough shape to throw a large percentage of transportation on it. Yet&#8230;  Off peak plans may help to a point.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Bunzel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al Bunzel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2012 13:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In my opinion, whenever I hear fuel cell technology, I tend to read in between the lines as bring to production some time in the future (with no date in mind). Maybe, I&#039;m cynical.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion, whenever I hear fuel cell technology, I tend to read in between the lines as bring to production some time in the future (with no date in mind). Maybe, I&#8217;m cynical.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2012 11:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[perfectapproach: Uhm, absolutely no. Volt does have clutches. Not 1, not 2 but 3!&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=343-NQKOvLg&lt;br /&gt;
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Learn at least the basics before posting complete nonsense.&lt;br /&gt;
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&quot;And I can&#039;t believe you are still talking about how &quot;big&quot; or how &quot;heavy&quot; batteries are!&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;ve never said such a thing. You either confuse me with someone else or cannot read.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>perfectapproach: Uhm, absolutely no. Volt does have clutches. Not 1, not 2 but 3!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=343-NQKOvLg" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=343-NQKOvLg</a></p>
<p>Learn at least the basics before posting complete nonsense.</p>
<p>&#8220;And I can&#8217;t believe you are still talking about how &#8220;big&#8221; or how &#8220;heavy&#8221; batteries are!&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never said such a thing. You either confuse me with someone else or cannot read.</p>
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		<title>By: CharlesF</title>
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		<dc:creator>CharlesF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 22:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the past I think most of us believed Honda&#039;s press releases, but not anymore.  Their single motor mild hybrid system has never been up to the task of taking on the Prius hatchback.  When the Accord comes out we will see if it is as good as the Camry or Fusion.  My bet is it will finish third, maybe even forth in the midsize hybrid sedan category.&lt;br /&gt;
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After driving a C-Max today, I would say that Ford got the MPG/fun to drive ratio just about right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the past I think most of us believed Honda&#8217;s press releases, but not anymore.  Their single motor mild hybrid system has never been up to the task of taking on the Prius hatchback.  When the Accord comes out we will see if it is as good as the Camry or Fusion.  My bet is it will finish third, maybe even forth in the midsize hybrid sedan category.</p>
<p>After driving a C-Max today, I would say that Ford got the MPG/fun to drive ratio just about right.</p>
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