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		<title>By: D.W.McDonald</title>
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		<dc:creator>D.W.McDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There was a time in my youth when I was in love with American made cars, they were stylish, fast and powerful. They were affordable, like a 1975 Trans Am costed about $5,500.00 with monthly payments of about $130.00 for 36 months. What happened? Now a cheap new car cost more than most people yearly salary, monthly payments for 72 months (6 years). Malfuntions by the ton before the car is two years old, parts and labor, well you get the idea. Toyota and Honda are more reliable and get better mileage. Why won&#039;t American Car manufactutors produce modern 21st century cars? Greed! thats why! they say if they go out of business that we the people will hurt. Heck we have been hurting from them for over 30 years. It&#039;s like being abused for years and the abuser tells you how much they love and care for you. Well it&#039;s time for a divorce, lets them all go down the drain, that is the only way they will wake up! They don&#039;t belive that we will let them go. Well, I for one have heard enough of their lies. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a time in my youth when I was in love with American made cars, they were stylish, fast and powerful. They were affordable, like a 1975 Trans Am costed about $5,500.00 with monthly payments of about $130.00 for 36 months. What happened? Now a cheap new car cost more than most people yearly salary, monthly payments for 72 months (6 years). Malfuntions by the ton before the car is two years old, parts and labor, well you get the idea. Toyota and Honda are more reliable and get better mileage. Why won&#8217;t American Car manufactutors produce modern 21st century cars? Greed! thats why! they say if they go out of business that we the people will hurt. Heck we have been hurting from them for over 30 years. It&#8217;s like being abused for years and the abuser tells you how much they love and care for you. Well it&#8217;s time for a divorce, lets them all go down the drain, that is the only way they will wake up! They don&#8217;t belive that we will let them go. Well, I for one have heard enough of their lies. </p>
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		<title>By: Sefa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sefa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, the time has come for the United States car manufacturer to switch to economical cars and fuel Hybrid car. Do not continue to research the development of car-truck with a big engine. American car will move forward again if more focus on developing economical car, because US manufacturer have a good quality product!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the time has come for the United States car manufacturer to switch to economical cars and fuel Hybrid car. Do not continue to research the development of car-truck with a big engine. American car will move forward again if more focus on developing economical car, because US manufacturer have a good quality product!</p>
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		<title>By: ACAGal</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/gms-green-gambit-decoded-25135/#comment-13644</link>
		<dc:creator>ACAGal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately GM was holding onto its production lines when Frisker was looking for a production site.  The four door/four passenger Karma is being produced in Finland. As far as I know, Karma is using carbon, but you should check that out, as my memory can fail. I believe the first Karma deliveries are scheduled for late 2009 - early 2010.&lt;br /&gt;
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Hopefully the Tesla can use some currently vacant US operating systems. I do not know the Aptera.  I have ridden in the Phoenix truck, and I was quite happy with that.  I&#039;m easy to please if the vehicle handles well, has a good turning radius, can get me into and out of freeway traffic safely, doesn&#039;t stink or burn my throat and eyes with the exhaust, is easy to refuel, is crash reliable, etc.  &lt;br /&gt;
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The electric vehicles seem to use speed governors at the upper speed ranges, not for protection from stupidity, but to extend range.  The faster one drives, the faster one burns watts/volts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately GM was holding onto its production lines when Frisker was looking for a production site.  The four door/four passenger Karma is being produced in Finland. As far as I know, Karma is using carbon, but you should check that out, as my memory can fail. I believe the first Karma deliveries are scheduled for late 2009 &#8211; early 2010.</p>
<p>Hopefully the Tesla can use some currently vacant US operating systems. I do not know the Aptera.  I have ridden in the Phoenix truck, and I was quite happy with that.  I&#8217;m easy to please if the vehicle handles well, has a good turning radius, can get me into and out of freeway traffic safely, doesn&#8217;t stink or burn my throat and eyes with the exhaust, is easy to refuel, is crash reliable, etc.  </p>
<p>The electric vehicles seem to use speed governors at the upper speed ranges, not for protection from stupidity, but to extend range.  The faster one drives, the faster one burns watts/volts.</p>
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		<title>By: hybridman2</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/gms-green-gambit-decoded-25135/#comment-13643</link>
		<dc:creator>hybridman2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s a groundbreaking strategy for GM -Just MAKE one that competes with present technology already!&lt;br /&gt;
Quit trying all the &quot;good old boy&quot; approach and pussyfooting around.&lt;br /&gt;
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People want action not the same hot air we get from all the politicians. If they want to regain a foothold - offer as good a car as we can make (which BETTER be as good if not better than our competitors) at a reasonable price.&lt;br /&gt;
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But if you are 3 or 4 years behind all the , you&#039;ll never catch up.&lt;br /&gt;
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Bob&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hybridwaterpower.com&quot;&gt;Increase Gas Mileage-Use Water 4 Fuel&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a groundbreaking strategy for GM -Just MAKE one that competes with present technology already!<br />
Quit trying all the &#8220;good old boy&#8221; approach and pussyfooting around.</p>
<p>People want action not the same hot air we get from all the politicians. If they want to regain a foothold &#8211; offer as good a car as we can make (which BETTER be as good if not better than our competitors) at a reasonable price.</p>
<p>But if you are 3 or 4 years behind all the , you&#8217;ll never catch up.</p>
<p>Bob</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hybridwaterpower.com">Increase Gas Mileage-Use Water 4 Fuel</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bubba Nicholson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bubba Nicholson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[GM can offer to make parts for Fisker, Tesla, Aptera, surely?  Those assembly lines should be useful for somebody.  The low-tech steels and plastics should be scrapped in favor of carbon fiber asap.&lt;br /&gt;
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GM prefers to waste precious gasoline on non-aerodynamic &#039;muscular styling&#039; and race car engines for (adrenaline) drug addicts who love to drive (often drunk) dangerously fast on public roads.  Putting governors on cars and trucks preventing speeds above 80 mph and telephone software prohibiting calls or texting while vehicles are in motion are ideas anathema to an industry more self-absorbed than intelligent.  Manufacturing inertia will keep GM from ditching old technologies as &#039;sunk costs&#039; until it slips beneath the waves of time, thankfully not too far off now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GM can offer to make parts for Fisker, Tesla, Aptera, surely?  Those assembly lines should be useful for somebody.  The low-tech steels and plastics should be scrapped in favor of carbon fiber asap.</p>
<p>GM prefers to waste precious gasoline on non-aerodynamic &#8216;muscular styling&#8217; and race car engines for (adrenaline) drug addicts who love to drive (often drunk) dangerously fast on public roads.  Putting governors on cars and trucks preventing speeds above 80 mph and telephone software prohibiting calls or texting while vehicles are in motion are ideas anathema to an industry more self-absorbed than intelligent.  Manufacturing inertia will keep GM from ditching old technologies as &#8216;sunk costs&#8217; until it slips beneath the waves of time, thankfully not too far off now.</p>
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		<title>By: ACAGal</title>
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		<dc:creator>ACAGal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[GM put $75,000,000 into varied research through QTWW, but failed to follow up on the progress that company had been making.&lt;br /&gt;
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My guess is that if GM had not asleep at the switch, a Volt could have been in production about now.  The first production extended range EV from Friskar (with Quantum drive) will be at the Detroit Auto Show.  The range, speed and power of this car is supposed to be more than the Volt, with speeds close to the Tesla.&lt;br /&gt;
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These new products and technologies are interesting. It looks like GM has made some bad missteps.  I hope these mistakes can become objective lessons for the future and the auto industry in the USA can recover.  I wish I could afford the first Fiskars, or Teslas, both cars are hunky, sporty, beauties.  Maybe I will have enough for the planned family cars, a few years in the future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GM put $75,000,000 into varied research through QTWW, but failed to follow up on the progress that company had been making.</p>
<p>My guess is that if GM had not asleep at the switch, a Volt could have been in production about now.  The first production extended range EV from Friskar (with Quantum drive) will be at the Detroit Auto Show.  The range, speed and power of this car is supposed to be more than the Volt, with speeds close to the Tesla.</p>
<p>These new products and technologies are interesting. It looks like GM has made some bad missteps.  I hope these mistakes can become objective lessons for the future and the auto industry in the USA can recover.  I wish I could afford the first Fiskars, or Teslas, both cars are hunky, sporty, beauties.  Maybe I will have enough for the planned family cars, a few years in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Korthof</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/gms-green-gambit-decoded-25135/#comment-13640</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Korthof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The VOLT is a HOAX.  &lt;br /&gt;
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If GM were serious, it would first admit that past Electric cars, such as the EV1, RAV4-EV and HondaEV, were successful and worked well, were beloved by their drivers, and didn&#039;t have any problem with &quot;RANGE&quot; or &quot;RECHARGE&quot;.  In fact, there were no problems with the EV1 or any other Electric car except the fact that the Auto Alliance members were unwilling to sell them to willing buyers.&lt;br /&gt;
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Secondly, IF GM were serious and the VOLT were not a HOAX, GM would look to past experience: instead of waiting for the perfect battery, past EVs were started with the batteries that existed, and later upgraded to better batteries. &lt;br /&gt;
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The EV1 -- The original team, including Alan Cocconi, used lead-acid battteries, later upgraded to NiMH.  For years, until 1999, former GM employees who created the T-zero and sold the technology to Tesla insisted on using lead-acid batteries.  Issue it first with lead, then upgrade.&lt;br /&gt;
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RAV4-EV and HondaEV: the first versions had lead-acid batteries, later upgraded to NiMH and then improved.&lt;br /&gt;
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S10E: This Chevy electric truck first came out using lead, then was upgraded to NiMH.&lt;br /&gt;
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RangerEV: Ford&#039;s electric pickup came out using lead, then upgraded to NiMH.&lt;br /&gt;
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If the VOLT were not a HOAX, GM would issue it with LEAD batteries, which is all you need for 100 miles all-electric range, and which are very cheap (as proven by the 1997 and 1999 lead-version EV1, which got over 100 miles range on the PSB EV-EC 1260 lead-acid battery).&lt;br /&gt;
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But the VOLT, is a HOAX, for these exact reasons.  GM is supposedly waiting for a battery that does not exist; they are just delaying until the price of gas comes down.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The VOLT is a HOAX.  </p>
<p>If GM were serious, it would first admit that past Electric cars, such as the EV1, RAV4-EV and HondaEV, were successful and worked well, were beloved by their drivers, and didn&#8217;t have any problem with &#8220;RANGE&#8221; or &#8220;RECHARGE&#8221;.  In fact, there were no problems with the EV1 or any other Electric car except the fact that the Auto Alliance members were unwilling to sell them to willing buyers.</p>
<p>Secondly, IF GM were serious and the VOLT were not a HOAX, GM would look to past experience: instead of waiting for the perfect battery, past EVs were started with the batteries that existed, and later upgraded to better batteries. </p>
<p>The EV1 &#8212; The original team, including Alan Cocconi, used lead-acid battteries, later upgraded to NiMH.  For years, until 1999, former GM employees who created the T-zero and sold the technology to Tesla insisted on using lead-acid batteries.  Issue it first with lead, then upgrade.</p>
<p>RAV4-EV and HondaEV: the first versions had lead-acid batteries, later upgraded to NiMH and then improved.</p>
<p>S10E: This Chevy electric truck first came out using lead, then was upgraded to NiMH.</p>
<p>RangerEV: Ford&#8217;s electric pickup came out using lead, then upgraded to NiMH.</p>
<p>If the VOLT were not a HOAX, GM would issue it with LEAD batteries, which is all you need for 100 miles all-electric range, and which are very cheap (as proven by the 1997 and 1999 lead-version EV1, which got over 100 miles range on the PSB EV-EC 1260 lead-acid battery).</p>
<p>But the VOLT, is a HOAX, for these exact reasons.  GM is supposedly waiting for a battery that does not exist; they are just delaying until the price of gas comes down.</p>
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		<title>By: Will S</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/gms-green-gambit-decoded-25135/#comment-13639</link>
		<dc:creator>Will S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s missing from this list of &quot;strategms&quot;:&lt;br /&gt;
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- 1992: GM unveils the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scaled.com/projects/gmcar.html&quot;&gt;Ultralite&lt;/a&gt;, an 80 mpg 4 seat family car. Used only as greenwash.&lt;br /&gt;
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- 2000: GM unveils the &lt;a href=http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars/1267946.html&quot;&gt;Precept&lt;/a&gt;, an 80 mpg 5 seat family car. Since they are overpromoting SUVS, minivans, and Hummers, GM asks the DoE to kill the Partnership for a New Generation of Vehicle program. The Bush adminstration obliges.&lt;br /&gt;
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- 1990-2008: The automative industry invests &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=M02&quot;&gt;$131,095,296 in lobbying and campaign contributions&lt;/a&gt; to buy influence. The same amount of money could have paid for 50 engineers working full time for that same 18 year timespan.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s missing from this list of &#8220;strategms&#8221;:</p>
<p>- 1992: GM unveils the <a href="http://www.scaled.com/projects/gmcar.html">Ultralite</a>, an 80 mpg 4 seat family car. Used only as greenwash.</p>
<p>- 2000: GM unveils the <a href=http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars/1267946.html">Precept</a>, an 80 mpg 5 seat family car. Since they are overpromoting SUVS, minivans, and Hummers, GM asks the DoE to kill the Partnership for a New Generation of Vehicle program. The Bush adminstration obliges.</p>
<p>- 1990-2008: The automative industry invests <a href="http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=M02">$131,095,296 in lobbying and campaign contributions</a> to buy influence. The same amount of money could have paid for 50 engineers working full time for that same 18 year timespan.</p>
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		<title>By: Samie</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/gms-green-gambit-decoded-25135/#comment-13638</link>
		<dc:creator>Samie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As Steve C said &quot;mistake is keeping Bob Lutz.&quot;  Somewhat agree with that Mr Lutz not bad but he represents the old tactical ways of the auto business.  He should still work with GM but not on public relations, he sends the wrong messages to people who have doubts about GM I think sometimes he likes to be in the in the spotlight so he can massage his own ego.  So for GM please don&#039;t allow Mr Lutz to do any more interviews.   &lt;br /&gt;
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The marketing idea is to keep GM in the spotlight but at the same time lower expectations to deliver on promises.  Risky game if you ask me but at the same time you want excitement about your new products but you don&#039;t want to be put in a box. &lt;br /&gt;
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Here&#039;s another problem, that is forward thinking and its not just GM that suffers with this but even Toyota trying to capture almost every market that the domestics have enjoyed in the past.  The mindset is awful car companies love to talk about being green but push the larger less fuel efficient vehicles when they see a opening. Don&#039;t believe me, even in a weak economy the car companies in the last few weeks with lower gasoline prices have been pushing more trucks and Suv&#039;s in ads w/c they did rarely when gas prices where high in late spring-summer.  That may not work if consumers can&#039;t get credit to buy those vehicles. Also when it comes to regulations or mandates they kick and scream about offering newer greener vehicles, even if the regulations are not fully mandated for another 20 some years.    This may change in the near future but I see car companies still fixated on those larger more profitable standard vehicles and gimmicks like E85,  which does very little in the long run for fuel efficiency, land issues, and environmental issues.    &lt;br /&gt;
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Cash problems, labor issues, consumer demands all add up and we should look at what GM does in the next 5-7 years before casting them off.           &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Steve C said &#8220;mistake is keeping Bob Lutz.&#8221;  Somewhat agree with that Mr Lutz not bad but he represents the old tactical ways of the auto business.  He should still work with GM but not on public relations, he sends the wrong messages to people who have doubts about GM I think sometimes he likes to be in the in the spotlight so he can massage his own ego.  So for GM please don&#8217;t allow Mr Lutz to do any more interviews.   </p>
<p>The marketing idea is to keep GM in the spotlight but at the same time lower expectations to deliver on promises.  Risky game if you ask me but at the same time you want excitement about your new products but you don&#8217;t want to be put in a box. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another problem, that is forward thinking and its not just GM that suffers with this but even Toyota trying to capture almost every market that the domestics have enjoyed in the past.  The mindset is awful car companies love to talk about being green but push the larger less fuel efficient vehicles when they see a opening. Don&#8217;t believe me, even in a weak economy the car companies in the last few weeks with lower gasoline prices have been pushing more trucks and Suv&#8217;s in ads w/c they did rarely when gas prices where high in late spring-summer.  That may not work if consumers can&#8217;t get credit to buy those vehicles. Also when it comes to regulations or mandates they kick and scream about offering newer greener vehicles, even if the regulations are not fully mandated for another 20 some years.    This may change in the near future but I see car companies still fixated on those larger more profitable standard vehicles and gimmicks like E85,  which does very little in the long run for fuel efficiency, land issues, and environmental issues.    </p>
<p>Cash problems, labor issues, consumer demands all add up and we should look at what GM does in the next 5-7 years before casting them off.           </p>
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		<title>By: Boom Boom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boom Boom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shines, &lt;br /&gt;
Agreed.  GM isn&#039;t doing itself any favors by adding hype to it hybrids and building junk (i.e. the GM hybrids that are currently on the market).  A contrary example is Hyundai, which has spent the last ten years improving its cars and increasing market share.  It has shed its reputation for cheap cars and their cars have better resale than most GMs.  They didn&#039;t do this by advertising, they did this by building better cars.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shines, <br />
Agreed.  GM isn&#8217;t doing itself any favors by adding hype to it hybrids and building junk (i.e. the GM hybrids that are currently on the market).  A contrary example is Hyundai, which has spent the last ten years improving its cars and increasing market share.  It has shed its reputation for cheap cars and their cars have better resale than most GMs.  They didn&#8217;t do this by advertising, they did this by building better cars.</p>
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