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		<title>By: altonalvin</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/germany-der-spiegel-electric-cars-are-ellusion-27852/#comment-24987</link>
		<dc:creator>altonalvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 00:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This story has received some debate for the fact that the car&#039;s propulsion system is said to have been invented by Tesla.  No physical evidence has ever been produced confirming that the car actually existed.  In light of the fact that Tesla did not have a nephew by the name of Peter Savo, the Tesla electric car story is considered to be a fabrication. &lt;a rel=&quot;dofollow&quot; href=&quot;http://www.forumlosangeles.org/&quot;&gt;forum francophone los angeles&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This story has received some debate for the fact that the car&#8217;s propulsion system is said to have been invented by Tesla.  No physical evidence has ever been produced confirming that the car actually existed.  In light of the fact that Tesla did not have a nephew by the name of Peter Savo, the Tesla electric car story is considered to be a fabrication. <a rel="dofollow" href="http://www.forumlosangeles.org/">forum francophone los angeles</a></p>
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		<title>By: Wolf</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/germany-der-spiegel-electric-cars-are-ellusion-27852/#comment-24986</link>
		<dc:creator>Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2011 15:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m somewhat horrified by most of the opinions expressed here and would say at least 50% is simply wrong, eg:&lt;br /&gt;
- Diesel fuel is NOT subsidised in germany (it is merely taxed lower than gasoline which is fundamentally different - and at a rate that would make any US readers eyes water!).&lt;br /&gt;
As for the comment that the UK and Japan are &quot;small island nations&quot;. Ha, ha, very funny.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Get your facts right in future before commenting in future please.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m somewhat horrified by most of the opinions expressed here and would say at least 50% is simply wrong, eg:<br />
- Diesel fuel is NOT subsidised in germany (it is merely taxed lower than gasoline which is fundamentally different &#8211; and at a rate that would make any US readers eyes water!).<br />
As for the comment that the UK and Japan are &#8220;small island nations&#8221;. Ha, ha, very funny.</p>
<p>Get your facts right in future before commenting in future please.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Nicholson</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/germany-der-spiegel-electric-cars-are-ellusion-27852/#comment-24985</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne Nicholson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Except that producing the windmills and solar panels also cost carbon, and also the manufacturing process leads to pollution. It&#039;s not that clear cut. It takes a lot of material to make a wind mill, and a lot of processing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except that producing the windmills and solar panels also cost carbon, and also the manufacturing process leads to pollution. It&#8217;s not that clear cut. It takes a lot of material to make a wind mill, and a lot of processing.</p>
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		<title>By: B.Shipley</title>
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		<dc:creator>B.Shipley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 00:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As for &quot;generating enough power at home to drive thousands of miles&quot; -- perhaps, just as long as you don&#039;t drive a distance away from your home that&#039;s more than 50% of your battery charge.  If you drive past your failsafe point, you&#039;d better have AAA, else someone&#039;s doing some walking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for &#8220;generating enough power at home to drive thousands of miles&#8221; &#8212; perhaps, just as long as you don&#8217;t drive a distance away from your home that&#8217;s more than 50% of your battery charge.  If you drive past your failsafe point, you&#8217;d better have AAA, else someone&#8217;s doing some walking.</p>
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		<title>By: B.Shipley</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/germany-der-spiegel-electric-cars-are-ellusion-27852/#comment-24983</link>
		<dc:creator>B.Shipley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 00:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wind power is a false economy; a fact that would become readily apparent if all government subsidies were eliminated.  Wind turbines are expensive to manufacture and it is my understanding their cost cannot be recouped within their life expectancy, making the ROI on wind power a negative number.  Wind turbines generate zero power if there is too little wind, *or* if there is too much wind!  Offshore wind farms everywhere face stiff NIMBY opposition, even from the most prominent, outspoken and hypocritical family of Massachusetts liberals, the Kennedys. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Wind turbines generate electricity, and batteries are required to store any surplus electricity.  To store massive amounts of surplus electricity requires massive banks of batteries, which quickly gets expensive.  Because batteries are DC, huge and expensive inverters are required to convert the DC current back into AC current for transmission over the electrical power line infrastructure.  Because wind farms are usually constructed far away from where the power is consumed, the electrical power lines must be extended great distances, and this cost is either rolled into the bills consumers pay for electricity, subsidized by government through higher taxes, or both. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Alternative energy is great in theory, but the engineering must be viable, and viable engineering includes an economic component.  (As engineers like to say, “You can have it fast, good, or cheap.  Pick two.”)  Hydroelectric is an excellent clean, renewable resource and generates power as long as the water flows.  Geothermal works great in certain areas, but it&#039;s still more expensive than conventional energy (just the installation costs alone can make such projects inviable).  PV technology has been around for decades but is still too expensive and unreliable, and only works when the sun shines (as long as the panels are free of dust &amp; debris, snow, leaves, bird droppings, etc).  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
We should certainly investigate alternative energy resources, but meanwhile here in the USA we need to build more nuclear power plants, more coal power plants, and more gas &amp; oil refineries and power plants.  The engineering for all of these conventional fuels is solid, they can be used safely and cleanly, and nothing packs the energy, portability or flexibility of hydrocarbon based fuels.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
America needs energy, and we’ve known for decades that we must become energy independent; the DoE was established for this very purpose, but 33 years later it has failed to even address that objective!  It’s well past time to dissolve that inept and bloated gov’t agency.&lt;br /&gt;
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Alternative energy such as wind and solar cannot come close to replacing conventional energy sources, they cannot provide baseline power, nor are they economically viable, they can only appear to be with government subsidies, which creates an unsustainable false economy.  Bio-fuel (ethanol) requires more energy to produce than it can provide, and alchemy lesson even California has learned!  Creating new taxes and penalties for energy consumption is no solution unless the intent is to further cripple our economy.  Politicians who fail to recognize these things must be retired at the first opportunity, so too, must the DoE (both of&#039;em).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Do a search on Wind Turbines on YouTube.com  You&#039;ll never want one near you house.  There&#039;s a terrific video of one failing in high winds - the brakes are supposed to stop them over a certain wind level, but these failed and the turbine failed spectacularly.  Then there are the videos of ice build-up on the blades.  Note: the turbines are not supposed to operate with ice on the wings, they are supposed to shut down automatically.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Also, wind power is not safer than conventional sources of energy:&lt;br /&gt;
http://blog.heritage.org/2010/06/26/wind-power-is-more-dangerous-than-coal-or-oil/#comment-126732&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wind power is a false economy; a fact that would become readily apparent if all government subsidies were eliminated.  Wind turbines are expensive to manufacture and it is my understanding their cost cannot be recouped within their life expectancy, making the ROI on wind power a negative number.  Wind turbines generate zero power if there is too little wind, *or* if there is too much wind!  Offshore wind farms everywhere face stiff NIMBY opposition, even from the most prominent, outspoken and hypocritical family of Massachusetts liberals, the Kennedys. </p>
<p>Wind turbines generate electricity, and batteries are required to store any surplus electricity.  To store massive amounts of surplus electricity requires massive banks of batteries, which quickly gets expensive.  Because batteries are DC, huge and expensive inverters are required to convert the DC current back into AC current for transmission over the electrical power line infrastructure.  Because wind farms are usually constructed far away from where the power is consumed, the electrical power lines must be extended great distances, and this cost is either rolled into the bills consumers pay for electricity, subsidized by government through higher taxes, or both. </p>
<p>Alternative energy is great in theory, but the engineering must be viable, and viable engineering includes an economic component.  (As engineers like to say, “You can have it fast, good, or cheap.  Pick two.”)  Hydroelectric is an excellent clean, renewable resource and generates power as long as the water flows.  Geothermal works great in certain areas, but it&#8217;s still more expensive than conventional energy (just the installation costs alone can make such projects inviable).  PV technology has been around for decades but is still too expensive and unreliable, and only works when the sun shines (as long as the panels are free of dust &#038; debris, snow, leaves, bird droppings, etc).  </p>
<p>We should certainly investigate alternative energy resources, but meanwhile here in the USA we need to build more nuclear power plants, more coal power plants, and more gas &#038; oil refineries and power plants.  The engineering for all of these conventional fuels is solid, they can be used safely and cleanly, and nothing packs the energy, portability or flexibility of hydrocarbon based fuels.</p>
<p>America needs energy, and we’ve known for decades that we must become energy independent; the DoE was established for this very purpose, but 33 years later it has failed to even address that objective!  It’s well past time to dissolve that inept and bloated gov’t agency.</p>
<p>Alternative energy such as wind and solar cannot come close to replacing conventional energy sources, they cannot provide baseline power, nor are they economically viable, they can only appear to be with government subsidies, which creates an unsustainable false economy.  Bio-fuel (ethanol) requires more energy to produce than it can provide, and alchemy lesson even California has learned!  Creating new taxes and penalties for energy consumption is no solution unless the intent is to further cripple our economy.  Politicians who fail to recognize these things must be retired at the first opportunity, so too, must the DoE (both of&#8217;em).</p>
<p>Do a search on Wind Turbines on YouTube.com  You&#8217;ll never want one near you house.  There&#8217;s a terrific video of one failing in high winds &#8211; the brakes are supposed to stop them over a certain wind level, but these failed and the turbine failed spectacularly.  Then there are the videos of ice build-up on the blades.  Note: the turbines are not supposed to operate with ice on the wings, they are supposed to shut down automatically.</p>
<p>Also, wind power is not safer than conventional sources of energy:<br />
<a href="http://blog.heritage.org/2010/06/26/wind-power-is-more-dangerous-than-coal-or-oil/#comment-126732" rel="nofollow">http://blog.heritage.org/2010/06/26/wind-power-is-more-dangerous-than-coal-or-oil/#comment-126732</a></p>
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		<title>By: ex-EV1 driver</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/germany-der-spiegel-electric-cars-are-ellusion-27852/#comment-24982</link>
		<dc:creator>ex-EV1 driver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 19:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeffu,&lt;br /&gt;
I have to respectfully disagree with you here.  Putting PV around Germany is about as useful as putting ski lifts in Egypt.  &lt;br /&gt;
Germany&#039;s latitude and cloudy climate make it questionable at best as a place for solar.&lt;br /&gt;
I see their solar in a similar manner as their Mini-E - pretending to do something easy to deflect attention from what is really happening, ie just more European greenwashing. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeffu,<br />
I have to respectfully disagree with you here.  Putting PV around Germany is about as useful as putting ski lifts in Egypt.  <br />
Germany&#8217;s latitude and cloudy climate make it questionable at best as a place for solar.<br />
I see their solar in a similar manner as their Mini-E &#8211; pretending to do something easy to deflect attention from what is really happening, ie just more European greenwashing. </p>
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		<title>By: Jeffu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 16:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Leave it to the German press to get it all wrong. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
BTW, Germany subsidizes solar more than any other country.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It&#039;s the perfect country for plugin electric cars and they know it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
So now we have established that you need not read the German press.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leave it to the German press to get it all wrong. </p>
<p>BTW, Germany subsidizes solar more than any other country.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the perfect country for plugin electric cars and they know it.</p>
<p>So now we have established that you need not read the German press.</p>
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		<title>By: DownUnder</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/germany-der-spiegel-electric-cars-are-ellusion-27852/#comment-24980</link>
		<dc:creator>DownUnder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 08:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wait and see: on one hand, there are tens of electric car models from Chinese on display at Chi na Motor show and the other hand, the Germans say it&#039;s an Ellusion.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait and see: on one hand, there are tens of electric car models from Chinese on display at Chi na Motor show and the other hand, the Germans say it&#8217;s an Ellusion.</p>
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		<title>By: ex-EV1 driver</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/germany-der-spiegel-electric-cars-are-ellusion-27852/#comment-24979</link>
		<dc:creator>ex-EV1 driver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 19:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Weotui,&lt;br /&gt;
What&#039;s the cost of the EFOY fuel cell?  How long does it last before having to have major maintenance?  How expensive is that major maintenance?  What kind of refining is necessary for those bio-fuels before they can be put into the EFOY fuel cell (I doubt that I can connect it directly to my sewer and they&#039;re missing the step from trees to methanol)? Why not just burn the methanol in a hybrid ICE - which gets me more mpg?&lt;br /&gt;
This kind of idea has been duplicated many times over the past decade or so but reality is always a lot harder than cute cartoons that completely miss key steps. -I&#039;m skeptical.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weotui,<br />
What&#8217;s the cost of the EFOY fuel cell?  How long does it last before having to have major maintenance?  How expensive is that major maintenance?  What kind of refining is necessary for those bio-fuels before they can be put into the EFOY fuel cell (I doubt that I can connect it directly to my sewer and they&#8217;re missing the step from trees to methanol)? Why not just burn the methanol in a hybrid ICE &#8211; which gets me more mpg?<br />
This kind of idea has been duplicated many times over the past decade or so but reality is always a lot harder than cute cartoons that completely miss key steps. -I&#8217;m skeptical.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Reid</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/germany-der-spiegel-electric-cars-are-ellusion-27852/#comment-24978</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 17:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[weotui&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The EFOY fuel concept is excellent.&lt;br /&gt;
Even Bloom energy has a fuel cell that runs on Methane.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I think fuel cells will also start playing an important role in the EV world.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There is a plenty of natural gas coming to the market from Shale Gas, Qatar, Russia, other bio-sources, landfill and animal waste etc.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>weotui</p>
<p>The EFOY fuel concept is excellent.<br />
Even Bloom energy has a fuel cell that runs on Methane.</p>
<p>I think fuel cells will also start playing an important role in the EV world.</p>
<p>There is a plenty of natural gas coming to the market from Shale Gas, Qatar, Russia, other bio-sources, landfill and animal waste etc.</p>
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