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		<title>By: Fred Linn</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/geography-oil-and-coda-electric-car-27380/#comment-23902</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Linn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 17:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[--------&quot; The all-electric Coda sedan will have a range of about 100 miles—on a full charge of about 6 hours. It will sell for around $40,000.&quot;--------&lt;br /&gt;
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       That&#039;s an awful lot of money for a car that can only go 50 miles before you have to turn around and go back home to recharge.&lt;br /&gt;
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       At that rate, it would take a week to go from Kansas City, MO to Denver CO.----assuming you could find places to recharge perfectly placed, and you didn&#039;t have to wait in line to recharge.    &lt;br /&gt;
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        The pony express took ten days to go from St. Joseph MO to Sacramento CA, about 3 times as far in ten days.     And that was 150 years ago.&lt;br /&gt;
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        We are really making progress.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;&#8221; The all-electric Coda sedan will have a range of about 100 miles—on a full charge of about 6 hours. It will sell for around $40,000.&#8221;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>       That&#8217;s an awful lot of money for a car that can only go 50 miles before you have to turn around and go back home to recharge.</p>
<p>       At that rate, it would take a week to go from Kansas City, MO to Denver CO.&#8212;-assuming you could find places to recharge perfectly placed, and you didn&#8217;t have to wait in line to recharge.    </p>
<p>        The pony express took ten days to go from St. Joseph MO to Sacramento CA, about 3 times as far in ten days.     And that was 150 years ago.</p>
<p>        We are really making progress.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Leonard</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/geography-oil-and-coda-electric-car-27380/#comment-23901</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Leonard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This all electric is certainly preferable to an all gasoline vehicle, but in the same time an all electric is a mistake, similar to a bridge to far, for the following reasons:&lt;br /&gt;
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1)The battery needs to be very large for a significant driving range.&lt;br /&gt;
2)The battery costs are then to big.&lt;br /&gt;
3)Relying on electricity only is a strategic mistake in case of power grid failure (due to storm, war or natural catastrophe).&lt;br /&gt;
4)An onboard generator is also useful as a cogen unit for heating.&lt;br /&gt;
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Those are, for the moment, the main reasons why plug-in hybrids make more sense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This all electric is certainly preferable to an all gasoline vehicle, but in the same time an all electric is a mistake, similar to a bridge to far, for the following reasons:</p>
<p>1)The battery needs to be very large for a significant driving range.<br />
2)The battery costs are then to big.<br />
3)Relying on electricity only is a strategic mistake in case of power grid failure (due to storm, war or natural catastrophe).<br />
4)An onboard generator is also useful as a cogen unit for heating.</p>
<p>Those are, for the moment, the main reasons why plug-in hybrids make more sense.</p>
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		<title>By: veek</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/geography-oil-and-coda-electric-car-27380/#comment-23900</link>
		<dc:creator>veek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 03:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The management at CODA is not being honest when they try to tell us this car is an American vehicle, or when they try to rationalize that &quot;hey, everything we use is made in the People&#039;s Republic.&quot; &lt;br /&gt;
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American CEO&#039;s would gladly manufacture products in Hell if it would add to their bonus pay, American marketers (like Wal-Mart) would gladly sell them if they could add to their profit line, and American consumers would gladly buy them if they were a couple of cents cheaper. &lt;br /&gt;
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Yes. let&#039;s export our battery and car manufacturing/technology to China, where we don&#039;t have to worry about environmental or labor laws, and where they are still dumb enough to accept dollars for now.  Pollute somebody else&#039;s environment. While we&#039;re at it, let&#039;s feel self-righteous about this, too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The management at CODA is not being honest when they try to tell us this car is an American vehicle, or when they try to rationalize that &#8220;hey, everything we use is made in the People&#8217;s Republic.&#8221; </p>
<p>American CEO&#8217;s would gladly manufacture products in Hell if it would add to their bonus pay, American marketers (like Wal-Mart) would gladly sell them if they could add to their profit line, and American consumers would gladly buy them if they were a couple of cents cheaper. </p>
<p>Yes. let&#8217;s export our battery and car manufacturing/technology to China, where we don&#8217;t have to worry about environmental or labor laws, and where they are still dumb enough to accept dollars for now.  Pollute somebody else&#8217;s environment. While we&#8217;re at it, let&#8217;s feel self-righteous about this, too.</p>
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		<title>By: AP</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/geography-oil-and-coda-electric-car-27380/#comment-23899</link>
		<dc:creator>AP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 11:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BB, if your main concern is &quot;that cat is way out of the bag,&quot; then we&#039;re sunk as a country. We&#039;ll continue to work our way down economically so that NO ONE can afford an electric car, and the masses will have to drive the cheapest thing there is: gasoline-powered cars.&lt;br /&gt;
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The way to do this is to make a market for hybrid/electric cars by taxing fuel more heavily (and returning that money to income tax filers). Then we could afford to MAKE THEM HERE profitably and make the US a center of fuel-efficient technologies the world would come to. It isn&#039;t lack of engineering talent-we have better engineers in America than anywhere. It&#039;s lack of political will to produce the right market.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BB, if your main concern is &#8220;that cat is way out of the bag,&#8221; then we&#8217;re sunk as a country. We&#8217;ll continue to work our way down economically so that NO ONE can afford an electric car, and the masses will have to drive the cheapest thing there is: gasoline-powered cars.</p>
<p>The way to do this is to make a market for hybrid/electric cars by taxing fuel more heavily (and returning that money to income tax filers). Then we could afford to MAKE THEM HERE profitably and make the US a center of fuel-efficient technologies the world would come to. It isn&#8217;t lack of engineering talent-we have better engineers in America than anywhere. It&#8217;s lack of political will to produce the right market.</p>
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		<title>By: BB</title>
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		<dc:creator>BB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 06:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@7ry Prius Owner: You hit the nail on the head! We need to face up to facts about the role that China will play in manufacturing our goods.  That cat is way out of the bag.  But every single step we take on ceasing our use of gasoline--Coda is one--is a quantum leap forward in a new positive life-affirming direction.  (As opposed to more oil wars.) The Coda sedan is definitely on my shopping list, right next to the Leaf--followed by a Plug-in Hybrid Escape in a couple of years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@7ry Prius Owner: You hit the nail on the head! We need to face up to facts about the role that China will play in manufacturing our goods.  That cat is way out of the bag.  But every single step we take on ceasing our use of gasoline&#8211;Coda is one&#8211;is a quantum leap forward in a new positive life-affirming direction.  (As opposed to more oil wars.) The Coda sedan is definitely on my shopping list, right next to the Leaf&#8211;followed by a Plug-in Hybrid Escape in a couple of years.</p>
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		<title>By:  7yr Prius Owner</title>
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		<dc:creator> 7yr Prius Owner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 05:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So...instead of being fleeced by the Big 3 car companies for decades, and being stuck in a war over oil, not to mention the hypocrisy of the EV1 lease program...we&#039;re going to debate over human rights issues in another company that wants to provide us an option that will, God willing, eliminate the need for fossil fuel use at the consumer level and provide a means to pull out of the mid-east for good. Do you want an all-electric car or not?!?!  IF you really cared about buying something from CHINA stop going to Wal-Mart.  Otherwise join me and be ecstatic that we&#039;re going to have an option other than the Chevy Volt  from a company who tried to make tree-hugger money with an Escalade Hybrid.  Wake-up people!  Who cares if people are being mistreated in another country? I&#039;m sure if China had oil we would be doing something about it, but no, so unless you vote to get the same political pukes out of Washington, or pay the lobbyists to NOT manipulate the govt, get your checkbooks out for the 40 grand it&#039;ll take to buy a Coda. All I care about is what the Coda will look like in black like my Prius.  Why does it have to look like an ugly Chevy Cavalier from the 90&#039;s?  I&#039;m almost giddy that I may not ever have to go to a gas station again other than to go to the bathroom.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So&#8230;instead of being fleeced by the Big 3 car companies for decades, and being stuck in a war over oil, not to mention the hypocrisy of the EV1 lease program&#8230;we&#8217;re going to debate over human rights issues in another company that wants to provide us an option that will, God willing, eliminate the need for fossil fuel use at the consumer level and provide a means to pull out of the mid-east for good. Do you want an all-electric car or not?!?!  IF you really cared about buying something from CHINA stop going to Wal-Mart.  Otherwise join me and be ecstatic that we&#8217;re going to have an option other than the Chevy Volt  from a company who tried to make tree-hugger money with an Escalade Hybrid.  Wake-up people!  Who cares if people are being mistreated in another country? I&#8217;m sure if China had oil we would be doing something about it, but no, so unless you vote to get the same political pukes out of Washington, or pay the lobbyists to NOT manipulate the govt, get your checkbooks out for the 40 grand it&#8217;ll take to buy a Coda. All I care about is what the Coda will look like in black like my Prius.  Why does it have to look like an ugly Chevy Cavalier from the 90&#8242;s?  I&#8217;m almost giddy that I may not ever have to go to a gas station again other than to go to the bathroom.</p>
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		<title>By: AP</title>
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		<dc:creator>AP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 00:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[pingnak, that point is irrelevant. Many non-Chinese companies make cars in China because it is such a big market. GM is still primarily a US company operating in China. China basically doen&#039;t allow imports, so yes, GM builds there. GM&#039;s plan is to make most cars where they sell them anyway, so while they may export/import some, they won&#039;t become another Toyota.&lt;br /&gt;
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My is still that GM employs 3 times more Americans than Toyota for every car they sell in America.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pingnak, that point is irrelevant. Many non-Chinese companies make cars in China because it is such a big market. GM is still primarily a US company operating in China. China basically doen&#8217;t allow imports, so yes, GM builds there. GM&#8217;s plan is to make most cars where they sell them anyway, so while they may export/import some, they won&#8217;t become another Toyota.</p>
<p>My is still that GM employs 3 times more Americans than Toyota for every car they sell in America.</p>
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		<title>By: pingnak</title>
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		<dc:creator>pingnak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 22:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[GM sells most of their cars in China, at the moment.  They&#039;re mostly made there, too.  They&#039;ll be importing some of them to the U.S., soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GM sells most of their cars in China, at the moment.  They&#8217;re mostly made there, too.  They&#8217;ll be importing some of them to the U.S., soon.</p>
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		<title>By: AP</title>
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		<dc:creator>AP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 12:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Scott Z, you should care that GM employs 3 times as many Americans per American car sold because only 3 types of industries add wealth to America: &lt;br /&gt;
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1) farming, &lt;br /&gt;
2) mining, and &lt;br /&gt;
3) manufacturing. &lt;br /&gt;
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Everything else is a service industry that creates nothing (think about what computers do - they only manipulate or makes other things more efficient). Every service job is there to support one of the above three industries, or to receive money from someone who is employed by one of those three industries. &lt;br /&gt;
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America is close to losing the ability to make its own products. Our trade deficit is giving huge control of America to China, a very dishonest country, and to Japan (no so honest), who has manipulated their currency and used illegal trade practices to kill off American industries (like electronics).&lt;br /&gt;
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Shines, your argument is why I put it in terms of American jobs. Rather than worrying about what percentage of each component is made where. What matters is that Toyota only hires 1/3 as many Americans per car sold in America. Contrary to their ads, that doesn&#039;t sound very American to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott Z, you should care that GM employs 3 times as many Americans per American car sold because only 3 types of industries add wealth to America: </p>
<p>1) farming, <br />
2) mining, and <br />
3) manufacturing. </p>
<p>Everything else is a service industry that creates nothing (think about what computers do &#8211; they only manipulate or makes other things more efficient). Every service job is there to support one of the above three industries, or to receive money from someone who is employed by one of those three industries. </p>
<p>America is close to losing the ability to make its own products. Our trade deficit is giving huge control of America to China, a very dishonest country, and to Japan (no so honest), who has manipulated their currency and used illegal trade practices to kill off American industries (like electronics).</p>
<p>Shines, your argument is why I put it in terms of American jobs. Rather than worrying about what percentage of each component is made where. What matters is that Toyota only hires 1/3 as many Americans per car sold in America. Contrary to their ads, that doesn&#8217;t sound very American to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 22:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good insightful response from ex-EV1 driver.  At least I thought it was.  There are no simple answers (well there are we &quot;all&quot; just don&#039;t have the guts) to the global economy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good insightful response from ex-EV1 driver.  At least I thought it was.  There are no simple answers (well there are we &#8220;all&#8221; just don&#8217;t have the guts) to the global economy.</p>
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