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    Braking Problems Need help and comments

    Hello All,

    I have been reading alot about the Ford Escape Hybrid and have had some issues with the brakes of my vehicle...

    I work for a local organization and we have quite a few of the SUVs in our Fleet... Recently due to a number of complaints they pulled the WHOLE Fleet of the Ford Escape Hybrids off the road due to Brake Failures... mine being one of them. It turns out that in a fleet of hybrids over 30, at least 7 of the vehicles had some sort of failure... a couple of which were 2nd or 3rd time issues. and a few resulted in accidents...

    Ford has reviewed all of the vehicles in the fleet and will be issuing a letter saying its safe to drive. They say that they have found "No Codes" showing any kind of failure in the braking system... but Im not an idiot! I know that when my foot goes to the floor to stop, the truck should stop... which it didn't! I have had to make many panic stops in the truck previously and never had a problem before... until recently... the brakes did return a few hundread meters down the road at a stop light... but no lights showed on the dash and no abs kicked in... Thank god the person in front of me moved before I hit them.

    My vehicle is my office for atleast 8Hrs a day and I put on it, anywhere from 100 to 250 Km a day at work and the majority is City Driving.

    Please tell me that I am not an idiot... or that this is not an isolated incident or if you know what the problem is... or if you have had this happen to you.

    Thanks in advance for your help and comments...

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    Quote Originally Posted by myrightnut View Post
    Hello All,

    I have been reading alot about the Ford Escape Hybrid and have had some issues with the brakes of my vehicle...

    I work for a local organization and we have quite a few of the SUVs in our Fleet... Recently due to a number of complaints they pulled the WHOLE Fleet of the Ford Escape Hybrids off the road due to Brake Failures... mine being one of them. It turns out that in a fleet of hybrids over 30, at least 7 of the vehicles had some sort of failure... a couple of which were 2nd or 3rd time issues. and a few resulted in accidents...

    Ford has reviewed all of the vehicles in the fleet and will be issuing a letter saying its safe to drive. They say that they have found "No Codes" showing any kind of failure in the braking system... but Im not an idiot! I know that when my foot goes to the floor to stop, the truck should stop... which it didn't! I have had to make many panic stops in the truck previously and never had a problem before... until recently... the brakes did return a few hundread meters down the road at a stop light... but no lights showed on the dash and no abs kicked in... Thank god the person in front of me moved before I hit them.

    My vehicle is my office for atleast 8Hrs a day and I put on it, anywhere from 100 to 250 Km a day at work and the majority is City Driving.

    Please tell me that I am not an idiot... or that this is not an isolated incident or if you know what the problem is... or if you have had this happen to you.

    Thanks in advance for your help and comments...

    It's been an issue with the brakes with more than a few people, but I have not had any problems myself. From what I know, if the battery ground cable is disconnected, the brake pedal has to be recalibrated.

    While my FEH PCM was being reflashed by a Ford tech, I seen him almost drive my FEH into the wall after he put it in gear. He said he reprogrammed the ABS module also and forgot to recalibrate the pedal travel. This is done by pressing the pedal all the way down while the ignition is in the run position and letting the computer calibrate the brake pedal travel. Some people have claimed they lost the brakes, but after they stop and restarted the FEH/MMH, the trouble light when out and brakes worked again. Does this seem to be the case with the fleet units? Of course the same thing happen when they took their unit to the dealer, no codes were found.

    GaryG

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    Interesting....

    The day that it happened to me, there was no work done on my vehicle that I know about.

    But your right... the pedal went straight to the floor... and then when I came to a stop down the road I had full brakes again... and its interesting that you say it needs to be recalibrated... Is it possible that this could happen with out a warning light comming on the dash? It would make sense in my case... a light wouldn't come on if you were calibrating the pedal.

    I know that a few of the other drivers never reported problems because it seemed to happen once and then not again... and they must have chalked it up to something else... however there were atleast 2 accidents that I know about.

    We have a meeting with Ford comming up next week...this will be a question I have to ask the engineers.

    Thanks GaryG,

    MRN

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    Getting Ford or any other car manufacture to admit to a computer glitch or a bad gound will be impossible. Also, accidents can cause questions with liability, and of course it's the word of the driver as to if the brakes failed or if he just wasn't watching what he was doing. My question is, did the accidents happen after they knew about a brake problem that was reported? Or did they cry the brakes went out before you or anyone else had the same problem.

    Brake failure and a recall is not something Ford can deal with because of their financial prosition right now. My guess is, their going to say the burden to prove there was a brake problem is yours since there was no code. Perhapes they know of the problem, and left out the fault storing a code for legal reasons.

    My FEH came with autolocks (doors lock when you press on the brake etc.), but Ford admitted that they left off outolocks on the '05 FEH because of problems. After having a serious burning smell 3 times, the autolocks quit working. Also, the system that prevents you from locking your FEH with the key in the ignition stopped working at the same time. Took my FEH to the dealership and could not get any answers. When they towed my FEH to the dealership a year later for reprogramming my PCM, they also reprogrammed the computer and it gave me the ignition key protection back. The Tech refused to program the autolocks back, and has never admitted I had them in the first place. It wasn't a big deal not having the autolocks and I didn't want my FEH to burn up anyway.

    Good Luck

    GaryG

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    In the last 14 months my car has lost its brakes at least five times while I was driving it. The first four times occurred on small local streets very close to my dealer. Last week my daughter and I were on vacation. On Thursday I lost my brakes in the middle of the night on Rt. 80 in NJ with trucks whipping by me at 65 plus-MPH. We were able to safely get to the side of the road and coast to a stop. There was no accident and no one was hurt - this time! My car is still in NJ. My daughter started second grade today so I rented a car to get us home. Ford has not been helpful in the least. The dealer in NJ still hasn't looked at my car. I called headquarters customer support and they said they could not guarantee that the car will be safe to drive. They said all they could do was provide a warranty for the parts but they could not guarantee this would not happen again. This afternoon I checked the National Safety Transportation web site and there are several other similar concerns about brakes with the Escape. I don't care if Ford can afford a recall or not - these are not safe vehicles and they had better get them off the road before someone is killed!

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    PS - The Ford employee who said they could not guarantee the safety of the car was Jennifer Polk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dubiousmom View Post
    PS - The Ford employee who said they could not guarantee the safety of the car was Jennifer Polk.
    Tell us about your car-year-options-mileage and where and when did you buy it? Was it new or used? If used, what is the title of the vehicle? Did you take the vehicle to the dealer after the first brake failure? The second time? If you took the vehicle to the dealer (who is the dealer?) and had it returned, what was the service department response?

    Who is Jennifer Polk? An employee from the dealership? Does this person work in sales or elsewhere?

    If the vehicle is truely a safety problem, then all of us need a lot more detailed information.

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    I went to this site and found no comments about the Ford Hybrid braking problems:

    http://search.google.dot.gov/NHTSA/N...95.26&start=10

    nhtsa.gov is the website.

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    I purchased the car in June of 2006 from Koons Ford in Falls Church Va. The car had been previously registered to Koons Ford as a demo or management loaner car, so it was technically used. But it had very few miles on it and had not been sold to the general public. Each time I lost my break pressure I took the car back to the dealer for service.

    The first time they told me that the breaks are completely controlled by a computer and they needed to reboot the computer. The second time, they didn't believe I had a problem because the breaks had returned by the time they did a test drive. I gave them permission to let the hybrid specialist on their team take the car home and drive it for a few days. A couple of days later I got a call from my service manager Randy Gabbler. He said that the mechanic almost didn't make it into work that morning because he didn't have any breaks. A few days later they told me it was fixed.

    After a couple more service visits because I lost my breaks while driving Randy told me they were going to call the design engineers at Ford headquarters to see if they could help them resolve the issue. I was assured the problem was fixed. Then this past Thursday evening I lost my breaks in the most dangerous situation to date.

    Jennifer Polk is a customer service representative with Ford headquarters - I believe she is tier two support as the first person I spoke to on Friday escalated my concerns to her. I was appalled that Ford does not believe they have a responsibility to ensure their cars stop when the breaks are applied.

    This truly is a very dangerous situation. You can scoff if you want to - but this is really true. Do you want someone to die before you take this seriously?


    Here are the results of searching from this link: http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/pr...aintsearch.cfm

    Make : FORD
    Model : ESCAPE
    Year : 2006
    Manufacturer : FORD MOTOR COMPANY
    Crash : No
    Fire : No
    Number of Injuries: 0
    ODI ID Number : 10155907
    Number of Deaths: 0
    Date of Failure: April 9, 2006
    VIN : 1FMYU95H46K...
    Component: SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC
    Summary:
    I PURCHASED A 2006 ESCAPE HYBRID ON APRIL 9TH & IMMEDIATELY IT HAD BRAKE FAILURE PROBLEMS - ESSENTIALLY NO BRAKES. IT HAS BEEN AT DEALERSHIP SINCE APRIL 10TH. THEY CLAIMED IT WAS FIXED ON APRIL 22 & WHEN I WENT TO GET IT, SAME PROBLEM HAPPENED IN TEST DRIVE. THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT ELSE IS WRONG. THEY REPLACED THE BRAKE SENSOR, BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT DIDN'T RESOLVE THE PROBLEM. THIS IS A MAJOR SAFETY ISSUE ESPECIALLY IN SOUTH FLORIDA, WHERE THE ABILITY TO PROPERLY BRAKE IS HIGHLY ESSENTIAL. *NM

    Make : FORD
    Model : ESCAPE
    Year : 2006
    Manufacturer : FORD MOTOR COMPANY
    Crash : No
    Fire : No
    Number of Injuries: 0
    ODI ID Number : 10186417
    Number of Deaths: 0
    Date of Failure: August 2, 2006
    VIN : 1FMCU96H26K...
    Component: SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC
    Summary:
    TL*- THE CONTACT OWNS A 2006 FORD ESCAPE. WHILE DRIVING AT 15 MPH THE CONTACT HEARD A POPPING NOISE WHEN SHE DEPRESSED THE BRAKES AND NOTICED THAT THE BRAKE LIGHT ILLUMINATED. SHE HAD TO USE THE PARKING BRAKE TO STOP THE VEHICLE. THE VEHICLE WAS TOWED TO THE DEALER, WHO STATED THAT THE WIRING HARNESS SHOULD BE REPLACED. THE DEALER CHANGED THE WIRING HARNESS. HOWEVER, SIX MONTHS LATER THE CONTACT EXPERIENCED THE SAME PROBLEM. THE DEALER WAS INSPECTING THE VEHICLE TO DETERMINE THE REASON FOR THE MOST RECENT FAILURE. THE CURRENT MILEAGE WAS 16,900 MILES. *AK CONSUMER HAS INCLUDED MULTIPLE INVOICES STATING BRAKE SYSTEM WENT OUT. THE DEALER PERFORMED MULTI POINT INSPECTION AND PERFORMED THE VARIOUS TASKS: REINSTALLED SIDE FRONT PANEL, REPLACED HARNESS, ALIGNMENT OF FRONT END AND REAR, REPLACE UPPER STRUT BEARING AND BUSHING, BLED BRAKE SYSTEM. UPDATE *4/16TR THE ABS LIGHT AND BRAKE LIGHT ILLUMINATED. *JB

    Make : FORD
    Model : ESCAPE HEV
    Year : 2006
    Manufacturer : FORD MOTOR COMPANY
    Crash : No
    Fire : No
    Number of Injuries: 0
    ODI ID Number : 10174426
    Number of Deaths: 0
    Date of Failure: November 18, 2006
    VIN : 1FMCU95H76K...
    Component: SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC
    Summary:
    BRAKES FAILED FOR THE SECOND TIME. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN IN FOR THE BRAKE REPAIR AFTER THE FIRST TIME ABOUT 4 WEEKS AGO BUT WAS TOLD BY THE FORD DEALERSHIP THAT THERE WASN'T ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE BRAKES. AFTER THE SECOND TIME THEY NOW HAVE TO ORDER PARTS WHICH ARE ON BACK ORDER IN ORDER TO MAKE THE REPAIR. *NM


    Make : FORD
    Model : ESCAPE HEV
    Year : 2006
    Manufacturer : FORD MOTOR COMPANY
    Crash : No
    Fire : No
    Number of Injuries: 0
    ODI ID Number : 10188791
    Number of Deaths: 0
    Date of Failure: May 19, 2006
    VIN : 1FMCU95H46K...
    Component: SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC
    Summary:
    BRAKE WARNING LIGHT AND SERVICE BRAKE SYSTEM MESSAGE FREQUENTLY DISPLAYED ON INSTRUMENT PANEL (MORE THAN A DOZEN OCCURRENCES OVER 12 MONTHS). OWNERS MANUAL DESCRIBES THIS AS A DANGEROUS CONDITION. FOUR ATTEMPTS BY FORD SERVICE TO CORRECT AND ARE UNABLE TO DETERMINE CAUSE BECAUSE CODES ARE ERASED WHEN VEHICLE IS TURNED OFF(?). *TR

    Make : FORD
    Model : ESCAPE HEV
    Year : 2006
    Manufacturer : FORD MOTOR COMPANY
    Crash : No
    Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
    ODI ID Number : 10162414
    Number of Deaths: 0
    Date of Failure: July 3, 2006
    VIN : 1FMCU95H16K...
    Component: SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:ANTILOCK
    Summary:
    NORMAL CITY DRIVING INITIATED FAILURE OF BRAKES TO HAVE PRESSURE. IMMEDIATELY BRAKE AND ABS LIGHTS ILLUMINATED. BRAKES MAY BE APPLIED, BUT RELEASE AFTER APPLICATION. INITIALLY, WHEN BROUGHT INTO FORD DEALERSHIP 11 DAYS AGO, PROBLEM WAS DIAGNOSED TO BE ELECTRONIC, BUT AFTER REPLACEMENT OF ELECTRONIC CONTROL SYSTEM FOR BRAKES, THE PRESSURE FAILS TO RESUME. *JB

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    The latest information helps clear up some questions that readers may have had. While one braking problem is too many, the question remains on why only four vehicles (ones that have been reported) have had this problem out of the total sales of what 20,000(?) for the model year 2006. Solving this mystery is beyond my exptertise.

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