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Thread: Flex-Fuel Hybrids
08-03-2008 03:55 AM #21
--------"Why don't they make
--------"Why don't they make the gas engine in hybrids flex-fuel? "----
All cars made should be Flex Fuel. We have past peak oil, oil is running out. Making a hybrid that cann't use another fuel is stupid--we are buying the hybrids because the OIL is running out you stupid jerks out there making the hybrids!!!!! It shouldn't take a genius to figure THAT out. E-85 is our only choice to replace gasoline. It is a good choice and a superior fuel, but not if you cann't use it. Brazil made flex fuel mandatory on all cars sold in Brazil many years ago. They also subsidized the production of ethanol from sugar cane for many years and required service stations to offer both gas and E-85 if they wanted to stay in business. Things went on about 50-50 for a long time when the price of gas was low. Then when the price of gas went up, and the energy crisis really hit---Brazilians just bought E-85 instead of gasoline. Today, most of the old gas pumps are E-85 with only a token gas pump at most stations for very old cars(and those are slowly disappearing also). There is no energy crisis and never was in Brazil---it passed unnoticed. The government TV ads promoting E-85 disappearing from TV caused more notice than the "energy crisis".
-------"They should also have some E85 stations in New Jersey."------
There is a plant being built in Soperton GA that will produce 100 million gallons/yr ethanol from logging and millwork wood waste. This plant was planned back in the 90's---however when the Bush Republicans moved in 2000 they blocked funding to build the plant for over 7 years---until the oil crisis got so bad and people got so mad that even THEY couldn't ignore the problem anymore. The plant is being built now. We need a LOT more ethanol than that to really make a difference in energy supply, but it is a start.
The price of E-85 will be spotty and not too competitive with gasoline to begin with because there won't be enough produced to be a serious competition to oil. However, as oil continues to decline in availability(increase in price) and ethanol production increases, the price difference between gasoline and ethanol will continue to grow wider. Then you will have a lot of people wishing they'd have gotten a flex fuel vehicle---generally the price is the same or only nominally more.
I think you are only wise to look for a flex fuel model. It costs little or nothing extra---and it might mean you aren't back to walking one day. Even if you don't like E-85 and would rather use gas---that's fine, you can---but if one day you NEED to start using E-85 because gasoline suddenly got too expensive or not available at all, that's fine, you can use E-85. Seems like really cheap insurance to me. Especially the way things are going with oil.