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03-30-2006 10:49 PM #1
peugeot hybrid diesel?
Has anyone heard or read about the french auto maker peugeot coming out with a hybrid diesel car? This car would get 80 mpg if peugeot decides to sell it. I know peugeot does not sell cars in the USA, but for people in Europre this seem like a great car. Hopefully a car like this could come to the States. what do you think? take care everyone
04-20-2006 09:47 PM #2
peugeot hybrid diesel?
Check out this article. It refers to the peugeot hybrid diesel. Seeing red in green debate
What's greener - hybrid or diesel? Japanese and European makers are in hot debate over the merits of their 'green' programmes, says Daniel Attwood
With Vehicle Registration Tax expected to be replaced, eventually, by an emissions-based tax, the importance of a car's emissions is becoming more relevant to Irish motorists, and so is the debate over what's greener - diesels or hybrids.
Hybrid cars already receive a 50 per cent VRT rebate in Ireland because, as their Japanese manufacturers contend, such cars are the greenest available.
But some European manufacturers are hitting back, claiming that the latest generation diesel engines offer almost the same green advantages as hybrids but at a much lower initial cost.
Toyota has earned thousands of green Brownie points for its hybrid Prius, and Honda has just rejoined the green revolution with a hybrid version of the new Civic.
But Renault is claiming that its Megane dCi diesel engine matches all the low-emission and fuel consumption claims made for hybrid cars, but costs substantially less.
The five-door Megane dCi86 costs €24,350, while Toyota's Prius, even with its VRT rebate, costs €29,495.
Hybrid cars work by offering two power units - one petrol and one electric. Petrol engines are less efficient than diesel engines, so by mating a small electric motor to a petrol engine the environmental performance of the car is improved.
But European manufacturers who have concentrated on developing diesel engines claim that new turbo charger and common-rail injection technology have improved engine efficiency to the point where a petrol/electric hybrid offers little or no advantage, but costs significantly more to buy.
Renault says that its Megane dCi86 produces CO2 emissions of 120g/km compared to 109g/km for the Honda hybrid and 104g/km for the Toyota hybrid.
In addition, Renault says the Megane's official combined fuel economy is 4.5 litres per 100km, compared to 4.6 for the Civic and 4.3 for the Prius. "Hybrids are an interesting novelty but don't achieve anything that a dCi-engined Renault can't achieve," claims Renault.
Hybrids do offer the advantage of switching to zero-emission battery power during stop/start city traffic, but on the open road both engine and battery power are used, resulting in lower fuel economy and higher emissions. For many, the hybrid sums just don't add up, says Renault, and motorists should consider the type of driving they do before jumping on the hybrid bandwagon. While hybrids get better mileage in the city, diesel cars consume less fuel in all driving conditions, says the French manufacturer.
It is not just Renault which is championing diesel technology. Daimler Chrysler, Volkswagen, BMW, Fiat and Peugeot are all committed to developing cleaner diesel technology. However, it should be remembered that both Toyota and Honda also produce the latest generation diesel engines. After all, Toyota is not saying hybrid is better than diesel, it is just saying it is another option.
Saab is taking things one step further. Its BioPower Hybrid Concept combines bioethanol fuel and electric power generation for the first time.
Packing formidable pulling power from its 260bhp 2.0-litre turbo engine and 53kW electric motors, the BioPower Hybrid Concept can briefly generate torque values three times greater than its petrol-only equivalent.
"This project allows us to evaluate and explore the potential of hybrid technology in combination with our existing and already-proven BioPower technology," explains Jan Åke Jonsson, Saab Managing Director. "Although the exact hybrid application shown in this concept does not currently figure in our production plans, it shows how we could develop the sporty performance associated with Saab while using only renewable resources and saving energy overall."
Meanwhile, Peugeot Citroën has unveiled what is perhaps the best of both worlds, with diesel-electric hybrid versions of its 207 and 307 cars.
Average diesel consumption for the two cars fitted with these new hybrids is just 3.4 litres per 100km, with just 90 grams of CO2 emitted per kilometre, which is some 25 per cent better than the current petrol hybrid cars, or as much as one litre per 100km in combined urban and motorway driving.
The French manufacturer's hybrid technology is basically a 1.6-litre diesel engine, a 'stop & start' system and an electric motor. It enables the vehicles to start and drive using only the HDi diesel engine, even when the high-voltage battery pack is totally flat.
The company says it could market its Hybride HDi vehicles as early as 2010. However, it needs to bring the price of the technology down.
Currently, the price gap between a Hybrid HDi model and a comparable diesel HDi model is still too wide and would have to be halved to make diesel hybrid vehicles competitive.
Meanwhile, Toyota has hit back at Renault's claims, saying it "acknowledges that there are many alternative routes to achieving the ultimate eco-car". But forcing "customers into an either/or decision between diesel and hybrid power, using confusing messages to weight the argument in their favour is not helping".
However, this hasn't stopped the Japanese manufacturer taking a swipe back at Renault.
Toyota points out that its Prius is faster from zero to 100km/h than both the Mégane dCi86 and the dCi106. Toyota says the Prius has a further advantage during urban driving, where pollution and fuel economy are a bigger issue. Around town, official urban consumption for the Prius is 5 litres per 100km, compared to 5.5 litres per 100km for the Renault.
And, says Toyota, the Prius is the master of slow-moving traffic, being able to run on electric motor power alone, with zero emissions and maximum fuel efficiency.
© The Irish Times
04-21-2006 05:24 AM #3
peugeot hybrid diesel?
I used to have a Citroen ZX diesel (98) when I lived in Chile. I remember If I was carefull on my driving I could get about 20 Kilometers per liter (driving at 90 Kilometers per hour in highway). This is about 50 miles per gallon. The engine I remember was not very powerfull (about 80 HP), But I could get anywere (including hard terrain in the mointains). The car was great. I dont have a doubt on the quality of french cars. If they were available in US i definitelly will buy one. Now if they came out with a Citroen/Peugeut Hibrid in US i will be first in line.
10-01-2006 02:52 AM #4
peugeot hybrid diesel?
I want to inform you that there is new technical solution (mechanism) which is pendant (match) to the fuel engine. That is device (device for transformation of the revolution moment) for mobility of elektromobile (electro car) which has all characteristics as standard fuel engine.
The 2.5kw electromotor acts like input force on the mechanism which makes 50kw power on the output of mechanism.
This device has crankshaft, rods and flywheel like fuel engine, but has no pistons, instead of them there are fists which drive mechanically, and also there are some favorable moments than the fuel engine has.
At the fuel engines driving force is caused by the fuel, but at this mechanism driving force is caused mechanically and can be even bigger, and it’s caused by electromotor.
This mechanism produce power, and every tact is working tact in 120 degrees size.
The consumption of energy measured quantitative at existing cars with fuel engines and the consumption of energy measured quantitative at this car is quantitative equal.
With two batteries which are 120ah (amper hours) per each battery, car can be driven 750km (kilometers).
Officially the best electric car in the world Volvo 3cc can be driven around 300km and has too much batteries (3000 cells).
Volvo and other companies which produce concept, hybrid and electro cars only worked on improving electromotor and they were on the wrong way. I just put mechanism between transmission and small 2.5kw simple electromotor.
Volvo 3cc has 80kw electromotor which spends too much energy. I have 2.5kw motor on the input of mechanism which produces 50kw on the output of mechanism. If i put 80kw engine like Volvo did, i would get around 1000kw on the output and probably much more.
Volvo 3cc 1kw cost 42 dollars, but mine 1kw cost same as fuel engine 1kw costs and it’s even cheaper.
Also there is Lotus Tesla electric car which is ha ha ha , well lets see: It got “powerful” 185 KW, 3-phase, 4-pole AC induction motor that can spin up to 13,000 rpm. A battalion of Lithium-Ion batteries (6,831 cells) provides a staggering range of 200-250-miles depending on the driving style. And charging at home is said to take around 3.5 hours.
It seems that didnt past my test....
Also important thing to tell is that this mechanism can produce 16,000 rpm like F1, and even more or less, depending for what they will be used for...
I think that lotus Tesla & Volvo 3cc are very pretty and fancy cars, but mobility of their car cost way too much.