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02-22-2006 09:34 AM #1
"flavor" of discussion about hybrid SUVs
OK. I'm a bit "warm" here, because I cannot believe this site's treatment of the hybrid SUV discussion. Ford Escape was first--fine. But to say that Toyota's "marketing" is the difference just BLOWS me away! Ummm... hi... Ford has built ONE relatively reliable car in its ENTIRE HISTORY (the Focus). Toyota, in contrast, has built an entire LINE of incredibly reliable cars since its inception.
Does no one *consider* this in their evaluation?!
I don't get it.
I wouldn't buy a Ford if it were the ONLY hybrid in the market...
Am I really, truly alone in considering reliability history of the brand (the entire line)? Or are people really completely swayed by the mere existence of a hybrid?
I look forward to others' views/evaluations of this aspect of consideration.
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02-22-2006 08:04 PM #2
I would agree that considering the reliability history of a car maker is good idea, but I think you've got Toyota overrated, and Ford underrated. And you need to consider the current reliability ratings as well. Just because a carmaker used to make junk doesn't mean they haven't improved. And just because a carmaker has a good track record doesn't mean they can't take a turn for the worse...
From what I've read, the quality of product produced by domestic carmakers has vastly improved in recent years, but for some reason the general public isnít very aware of that. Of course, the articles I read could have been misinformed...
02-28-2006 03:12 AM #3
I believe that you overstate your case. I do not doubt that Toyota has good reliability and that there were some problems with Ford in the past, however, I do feel that Ford is putting out reliable products. I purchased an Escape Hybrid and after 3 months have found it to be reliable. Three months is a short period of time and I will wait to see how the car holds up over the years. I based my decision to get the Ford hybrid on two things. First, I wanted a hybrid SUV and the Escpae was the only one on the market at the time. The second was that I just sold my Ford Explorer, which was 13 years old and had 208,000 miles on it. It was quite reliable. I am betting that the Escape will be as good to me!
02-28-2006 04:54 AM #4
I came from a Toyota (and all foreign cars before that), and I shared your opinions - though maybe not as extremely.
I was waiting for a hybrid that would fit my lifestyle/needs. The Prius was too small, and lacked 4WD. Ford happened to be the first to offer pretty much exactly what I wanted. I waited to hear about how they performed and if any problems would arise, wary to buy a Ford and knowing that the Highlander was also on the way.
But after they had been on the road for many months with no issues, and I found out that the Highlander was going to be somewhat of a "muscle" hybrid and was larger than what I really needed. I started considering the FEH more seriously. The more I looked into it, the more I liked it.
I decided to reward Ford's efforts in bringing the first American hybrid and first hybrid SUV to market... I bought mine a year ago and couldn't be much happier with it.
02-28-2006 05:33 AM #5
I admit I was concerned about purchasing a Ford (had an Escort long ago, went thru 4 recalls...) but the Ford Escape HEV fit all my needs, and after a test drive and extensive research, I was sold. I did have a mechanical problem within the first month of purchasing the '05 Escape (squeaking in the rear passenger side tire well, documented on the site from late 2004) but the service dept. at the dealership solved the problem by replacing faulty rear rotors. That said, I LOVE my SUV, and it's been terrific since. I get 30/32 mpg, can carry anything inside or on the roof rack, load up kids, dog and husband and get 460 miles to a tank of gas.
I liked the idea of buying a hybrid car made in the US (Thanks, Kentucky!) by union labor. I hope the big 3 will get on this bandwagon and make hybrids to fit all lifestyles. But we shouldn't jump on Ford. Toyota and Honda have had their share of technical glitches in the start up of hybrid technology...
02-28-2006 08:46 AM #6
Add me to the list of happy FEH owners. I owned a Bronco and Bronco II in the past, as well as a Toyota 4WD pickup, a Toyota Landcruiser, and a Honda Accord (my ex-husband liked to buy a new car every year or two). I owned the Bronco II after my divorce for 10 years with no problems.
I've owned my FEH for 13 months and 15,000 miles. I made the brash statement a few years ago that I'd buy the first Hybrid SUV on the market, and I couldn't be happier with my FEH. I had two problems that were covered under warranty -- an ABS brake light that would come on and affect the braking system in cold weather and a hairline crack of the oil pan. Both were fixed without muss or fuss........and not by the dealer I purchased from, but by my local dealer (who didn't have an order list going when a dealer 30 miles south did have one).
Suffice it to say, I'm VERY happy with my decision!
04-17-2006 10:42 PM #7
Well I just traded in a 97 Ford Explorer that had 160,000 miles on it for a 2006 HiHy. We are getting 28-29 MPG combined on 1000+ miles. I picked it because it will tow 3500 lbs so we can tow our pop up camper with it, and my wife wanted 3rd row seats. Otherwise we would have had no problem picking the Escape because we had outstanding reliability on the Explorer.
04-18-2006 02:28 AM #8
Too back Ford did such a lame job with integrating the electronics in the Escape Hybrid and took up the rear cargo bed where a 3rd row of seats could have gone.
I hope you're happy with your HiHy. Its the only reasonably high capacity hybrid on the market today.
04-18-2006 07:52 AM #9
Ex EV1 Driver --
Not sure what you're referring to regarding "integrating the electronics in the Escape Hybrid". And, there's no way, IMO that they FEH has enough room for the 3rd row of seats! Also not sure what you mean by "high capacity hybrid". If it's the 7 passenger seating, you're definitely correct. If my 14 year old had been 4 years olds instead, I might have waited for the HiHy.
Whatever the issues you have with Ford, after 14 1/2 months, I still am THRILLED with my FEH!
04-18-2006 07:02 PM #10
Yeah ev the escape is a little small for a 3rd row seat, and we have 4 yo twins.