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  1. #51
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    Reality check- hybrids, fuel efficiency

    Correct me if I'm wrong but are you saying that we shouldn't buy fuel efficient vehcles because you personally drive a large 16MPG hog?

    Are you gloating for working at home while wishng a large fat tax on the rest of us?

    Are you saying that Europeans are driving less or just wish a large, Socialistic bloated U.S. tax?

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  3. #52
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    Reality check- hybrids, fuel efficiency

    In Australia (Melbourne), the waiting time after ordering from the dealer for a Toyota Prius is a minimum of 3 months. There are two models available (sic) 1. basic priced at AU$42,000 and 2. same basic but with GPS, bluetooth and keyless entry at AU$48,000. By the time you pay dealer delivery costs, insurance, registration etc, add another AU$4,000 or more for each model. Petrol this week is around the AU$1.25 per litre (Our exchange rate with the US$ is hovering at US$0.77. Now as the Americans say....go figure!

  4. #53
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    Reality check- hybrids, fuel efficiency

    we interest import hybrid car .request quote.

  5. #54
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    Reality check- hybrids, fuel efficiency

    we interest import hybrid car .request quote.

  6. #55
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    Reality check- hybrids, fuel efficiency

    The real beauty of a hybrid is if it is modified to be a plug-in hybrid. Since most commutes are 30 miles or less a plug-in hybrid can dramatically decrease the use of oil since 97% our electrical power grid energy comes from other sources. If we start installing wind turbines in high wind locations, adding some photovoltic sources to the grid, and add coal gasification to the equation, America will be nearly ready to declare energy independence. The environment wins and so do we.

    If we really want to destroy the environment then we should keep funding terrorism through oil money. Or a conflict with China over the last remaining oil in the Middle East.

  7. #56
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    Reality check- hybrids, fuel efficiency

    california is currently running on around 11% "green" energy with a goal of reaching 20% in the next several years. wind, various solar schemes, hydro systems.

    other states need to start adopting these goals & stop waiting for the USA government to do this instead.

    most states are running on less then 3% green energy.

    see ya


  8. #57
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    Reality check- hybrids, fuel efficiency

    I have to somewhat agree that it is not necessarily the hybrid technology that makes these cars get great gas mileage, but the fact that they are small and use smaller engines (for the most part, as the civic is the same as a regular civic, for example.)

    I had a 1985 Sentra. A very small, slow car. I ALLWAYS got 40mpg in that car no matter what. That was even using it for pizza delivery, or drive like a young punk. Why did it do so well? It was a small, under powered, nothing that you didn't need car.

    My girlfriend has a 90 something Protégé. She ALLWAYS gets 40 MPG as well. Once again, it's an underpowered car. It's not small, but has better technology than my 85 Sentra (fuel injection for example).

    But, "nobody" wants underpowered cars. So sure enough, you are going to see hybrids with "power" and we'll be back to where we started. Hell, it they are putting them in SUV's and Accords that only get 30 MPG, they are already on that route. It's just a path to more efficient power.

    And the question still hasn't been answered: "Why not a diesel hybrid?"

  9. #58
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    Reality check- hybrids, fuel efficiency

    Nevermind about the hybrid diesel, I'm reading all about it in the "Hybrid vs. Diesel Debate" tread.

  10. #59
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    Reality check- hybrids, fuel efficiency

    If everyone drove sensible cars like most Europeans, we probably woudn't even need hybrid technology. I cringe when I hear things like "0-60 in 10 seconds is slow", when we're talking acceleration, not speed, on a car that can easily exceed 100 mph. Our TDIs do not do better than 10 seconds 0-60 but who cares? (and with the torque, mid-range passing is excellent).

    But back to speed. A bit of simple arithmetic: here in Canada (Quebec) it is routine to drive 20 km/h over the speed limit, even on short drives. How many times have I been passed by some idiot doing 20 over only to be next to him at the next light? Too many.

    On a short (say under 30 km) trip, driving 20 over the limit will, on paper, save you 3.64 minutes (110 km/h vs 90 km/h on a two-lane rural road). I say in theory because in reality, on a 2-lane road, you routinely have to slow down for other traffic, cyclists, traffic lights, curves, etc, so going 20 over the limit does not mean a 20 km/h higher average speed, but more likely only 2-5 km/h higher average speed. Real-world, the savings is probably no more than a minute or so; I've done tests that bear that out.

    On a longer trip, say 100 km +, the time savings is 10 minutes per 100 km, assuming a steady cruising speed of 20 km/h over the local 100 km/h speed limit on autouroutes. But here again, traffic, stops, construction zone slowdowns, etc, contribute to make the increase in average speed somewhat lower than 20 km/h. On my daily commute (104 km each way), in fact, the difference is more like only 5 minutes per 100 km.

    How much does that 5 minutes cost you? In my case, with my diesel, about $1 per day in extra fuel costs, or $ 5 per week. Which is $250 per year, which more than pays for the $225 per year license fee for our car. Again, real-world tests.

    To get real gains in time you have to drive at significantly faster (read: unsafe) speeds like 85-90 mph. If you really need to save time, fly! (or in Europe, take one of their fantastic high-speed trains).

    Mike G.

  11. #60
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    Reality check- hybrids, fuel efficiency

    Question folks:
    Is there a better hybrid model for drivers located in Southern North America where the a/c is (almost) a necessity? Does the a/c always trigger the gas engine? Without a hybrid convertible, you really need the a/c down south. Any data, details, specific information and suggestions are appreciated!
    -Adam
    tiedyedmind

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