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  1. #31
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    Reality check- hybrids, fuel efficiency

    I am at 911.4 miles and counting on one tank of gas. The meter is reading 70.0 mpg.

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  3. #32
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    Reality check- hybrids, fuel efficiency

    Very impressive mileage Bob. Congradulations!

    I'm not sure that Magnulus wants to hear a technical explanation of how hybrids do achieve better mileage. I tried to explain some of that in my blog. Efficiency 101,2,3.

    Hybrid cars contain the best of automotive technology. One of the most useful is the real time mileage readout. It helps those who are willing to change.

  4. #33
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    Reality check- hybrids, fuel efficiency

    Thanks Kip, and I definitely agree with you. I think the real-time mileage readout can make almost anyone energy concious. It makes driving like playing a video game. My other car is a V-8 Dodge Durango, and I even catch myself driving it like the hybrid in some respects. I don't know why all cars don't come with the real-time mileage readout, and auto-stop. I think those 2 things could really help boost gas mileage/conservation and cut air pollution nation-wide.

    By the way, I bought gas today before I ran out on the road (although I had a gas can in the trunk just in case). My trip meter was at 945.6 and 70.0 mpg. Certainly my best trip ever.

    Bob

  5. #34
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    Reality check- hybrids, fuel efficiency

    I have a civic hybrid which replaced an escort. In the escort the best mileage I got on my commute was 34-36mpg. In the civic it is 55mpg. In the winter my escorts mileage would drop to around 30. The civic drops to 48-50 in the winter.

    My wife drives a 01 prius. She gets 50-52mpg in the summer and 38-42 in the winter. She previously owned a corolla, which got 22-24 in the winter and 26 in the summer. The prius is a bigger 4 door vs the 2 dr corolla. Both automatic.

    How much you benefit from a hybrid depends on how and where you drive it. You will benefit less if you

    1. Drive very short distances in cold weather
    2. Drive extremely fast
    3. Drive up mountains
    4. Drive with your AC blasting all the time.
    5. If you drive right up to the light and jam your brakes vs slow stops.



    If you avoid these things you can get 50-100% better mpg. These guys who poo poo hybrids either don't understand them, and haven't learned to drive them correctly.

    The popular mechanics article did everything they could to hurt the hybrid. They loaded it down and they drove over the speedlimit through mountains. Most people commute with a single driver in an unloaded car in the city. This is where hybirds shine.

  6. #35
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    Reality check- hybrids, fuel efficiency

    Kip, yes I read your blog... but most of that stuff you are talking about is not exclusively hybrid technology. Unless you mean hybrid is a "package of fuel efficient technologies".

    Most Honda and Toyota engines use variable valve timing right now. Electric power steering and/or variable hydraulic power steering are used on a few cars now and will be more common in 2006 and onwards, and it probably accounts for substantial savings in fuel economy for the HCH (probably about 5 percent increase). Low rolling resistance tires are definitely not hybrid technology- I have some on my current car, and again, if you use them will increase your fuel economy by about 5 percent.

    The biggest reason that hybrids save fuel- they have small engines and low acceleration. Try convincing most people they don't need all that horsepower- it's hard to do. People invariably want more. My VW Jetta diesel, or the average Toyota Corolla/Prius, Civic, etc., accelerates about as fast as a sportscar did 30-40 years ago, but for alot of people, that's not good enough. They want 8 seconds 0-60, 6 seconds 0-60... in FAMILY SEDANS! This is what's really ridiculous. Cars so overpowered they need traction control to keep the tires from squealing and spinning.

    If you need a 0-60 of less than 10 seconds to go pick up your kids at school, or go pick up some Starbucks or whatever... you need a reality check. Maybe if American drivers weren't so addicted to weaving through traffic, passing on the right, jackrabbit starts, tailgating, and all those other bad driving behaviors, they wouldn't want all that wanton horsepower. (they don't know the meaning of slug... not until they've been in a VW Rabbit or a Mercedes diesel... now that's slow, but amazingly enough, people survived just fine on those kinds of cars).

  7. #36
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    Reality check- hybrids, fuel efficiency

    "If you need a 0-60 of less than 10 seconds to go pick up your kids at school, or go pick up some Starbucks or whatever... you need a reality check. Maybe if American drivers weren't so addicted to weaving through traffic, passing on the right, jackrabbit starts, tailgating, and all those other bad driving behaviors, they wouldn't want all that wanton horsepower. "

    This is so absolutely true, and exceptionally well stated.

    Unfortunately, the craving for power is fed by advertisers every day. Out here in suburbia, you can't turn around without bumping into one of those high-horsepower station wagons.

  8. #37
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    Reality check- hybrids, fuel efficiency

    I'm glad to find a place where people are discussing the pros and cons of various fuel efficient technologies. I was not able to read through all of the comments made, but I am wondering about hybrid technology that combines current electric (toyota/honda) tech. with diesel. Is this around the corner? Also, in terms of fuel efficiency, please help me understand how EPA can list the Prius at 60/51 mpg city/hwy when everyone I've talked to, including my father who owns a 2004, averages in the mid 40s. I certainly understand that many other factors contribute to mileage (i.e., driving habit, tire pressure, speed...). And certainly mid 40s isn't too shabby, but what does it say about mileage estimates accross the board if the prius average mileage is 10 mpg less than EPA estimates. Perhaps I'm naive. I've already read somewhere that the new Honda Accord hybrid will likely get no better gas mileage on average than it's counterpart combustion-only sister.


  9. #38
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    Reality check- hybrids, fuel efficiency

    The Prius EPA number for city driving is a bit of an anomaly, because the nature of the driving caused the electric-only mode to be engaged more often than typical. Hence the excessively large city mileage number.

    In real life, most folks seem to be getting roughly 47 or 48 mpg with the Prius, which as you state is not shabby, especially in our current environment of gas-slurping SUVs and the "Is that a HEMI?" mindset yielding 15 mpg.

    Regarding the Accord, if you are enticed to drive it like a V8 due to its acceleration and power, then your numbers will not be much different than the 4-cylinder Accord. If you drive it more moderately, you will probably average about 30 mpg overall. If you drive it to take advantage of the variable cylinder shut-off capability on the highway, you will get closer to 40.

  10. #39
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    Reality check- hybrids, fuel efficiency

    All good points above but I'm not sure if there really is a negative for Toyota.

    Smart Marketing, Gee Whiz Technology, Creating a Market ....

    If this is considered bad, then Intel, Apple, Dell, HP, Texas Instruments, Microsoft and every other technology company selling us unnecessary junk should be relegated to social purgatory.

    Personally, I bought a Prius because it is an elegant efficient design and it has more functionality than your regular car (hatch back).

    As far as the other stuff I just took the fuel savings and stuck them together with all the cost considerations and in the end decided to buy Toyota because I see a lot of old ones still on the road and the Prius because it is the second generation of the next best thing, like my DVD handicam. Oh, and like with my handicam, what I was replacing had become non-functional economically. With the handycam, I determined 10 minute clips were what I wanted so the direct to DVD system was OK ... the same kind of considerations when looking at cars and deciding to buy a Prius.

  11. #40
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    Reality check- hybrids, fuel efficiency

    I have a wife and three kids, which means three car seats or booster seats. In Europe, car seats are not "the Law." If we want to help save the environment, perhaps we need to offer hybrids for people that have young kids.

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