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  1. #1
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    24/7 0-30mph driving and hybrids

    I work for a company that drives vehicles 24/7 on corporate property where the maximum speed you can get to is around 30mph, and that's pushing it. I am set to research for a vehicle with better mpg....from what I understand a vehicle such as the Ford Escape Hybrid would utilize the battery power the whole time in that speed range and only regenerate during braking or when the gas engine kicks in. Wouldn't I have a problem of depleting the battery completely and not being able to properly recharge it?

    Can someone please help me with this?

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    Don't worry, the battery on

    Don't worry, the battery on the FEH will get charged because the ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) kicks in regularly, both to heat the catalytic converter and to charge the battery. The FEH will work well for your application.

    However, given your max speed of 30 mph, you might want to look into the pure electric alternatives below:


    The big issue would be whether your vehicles sit in regular places occasionally where they could be recharged. Fast charging could be added to some of these vehicles to allow them to be charged during normal employee work breaks. This is how a lot of airports have switched to pure electric flightline equipment. See http://www.avinc.com/chargingsystems.asp for more information on fast charging.

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    Thanks I appreciate it. The

    Thanks I appreciate it. The problem with going completely electric is that our vehicles must be operational at a moments notice for any emergency. We have many electric draining radios and lightbars that would just kill the battery faster.

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    Hey, thanks for those

    Hey, thanks for those links...offers some great ideas!

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    Compared with the power

    Compared with the power required to move a car, radios and lightbars are pretty minimal. What is the maximum distance your vehicles would need to drive in an emergency? miles, 10's of miles?
    During the late '90's, before they were killed, the White House security police were driving Ford Ranger EV electric pickup trucks. They were great since the trucks mostly sat around watching crowds around the perimeter with just the AC on and the radio on, without wasting energy by idling a gasoline engine. Since these were fully road worthy vehicles, they could, of course, get where they needed to go, very fast.
    Ford no longer makes the RangerEV but the Boshart truck or the Phoenix SUT (http://www.phoenixmotorcars.com/), when it goes into production would be awesome for your application.
    The Zaps, Miles', and Bosharts may be quicker to market because they don't require all of the crash testing required to actually go on the roads. Note also that the Phoenix (and likely the Boshart) trucks can be fully recharged for 100 miles of range in 10 minutes.

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    Yea, I found the

    Yea, I found the Phoenix...I'm really geeked on that...price is kind of high but hopefully I can convince the upper powers to open their pocket books. No, we only have to respond within a mile radius of pavement and 2800 acres of woods...I am curious how well these work in the winter.

    From this website it looks like the Phoenix SUT is for sale in 2009...however from youtube and other places it looks like they are selling it now to corporations purchasing for their fleet.

    Any clue how much that quick charger for the Phoenix costs?

    Do you know of any cargo van EVs coming out? If I could get some vans I think I would be able to convince the powers that be to build an infrastructure.

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    The Phoenix looks great but

    The Phoenix looks great but to my knowledge, they haven't delivered anything yet. The last real status I heard was that they have a lot of gliders (trucks without engines) in their lot in Ontario, CA waiting to have motors and batteries installed.
    I got a chance to test drive a prototype about a year ago. It could be a great vehicle. I hope they get them out soon.
    The quick charger is probably going to be pretty expensive but I don't know the actual price. Check with Phoenix or at http://www.avinc.com/chargingsystems.asp as I believe they are the ones building it. You'll need a large, industrial 440V connection for it as well.
    The Boshart truck looks a lot like the Phoenix and the two companies originally started working together, however, I don't know anything about it other than their website.
    I don't know of any cargo van EVs or of any serious plans. Chrysler made a mini-van in the late '90's that could be fast charged but I believe they were all crushed along with the rest of the '90's EV fleets. I suspect that after the SUT gets going, Phoenix will want to branch out, possibly into vans or cars but that won't be for a few years at best.

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    I guess it will definitely

    I guess it will definitely have a problem.But phoenix looks to be a great in my option.But they had not delivered their goods properly yet.

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