Rear Tire Wear
Created August 14, 2007, at 9:24 pm by MikeHCH06
My 06 HCH has 27,000 miles and the rear tires both wore down the inside edge 1". There's scalloping and the tread is gone. The entire face of the tire is fine. I was going to put 90,000 mile michelin hydroedge tires on but the tire dealer recommended replacing 2 bridgestones. He said it's a good thing I didn't rotate yet because I'd have 4 bad tires and wouldn't have pinpointed the problem.
The rear camber is negative to the naked eye and I'm told there's no ajustment to the rear alignment.
I took the car to the dealer for noise I thought might be the cvt. They looked at it and said get new tires then we'll check it out. Now I have to get them to correct the alignment.
Is this negative camber on the rear normal???
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Both my 03 and by 06 HCH's had an obvious negative camber on the rear wheels. I never noticed it on the front, but I think it would have been harder to tell. So I would say the negative camber on the rears is normal, but cannot speak for the fronts. That being said, I never had any problems with abnormal treadwear on any of the tires on either car. If I am reading your post correctly, your tires were never rotated for 27,000 miles. Despite what your tire person told you about it being a good thing they hadn't been rotated, I'd guess that it was the lack of rotation that caused the problem and not anything to do with the rear camber.
I had a similar experience as Mike; went through 3 sets of rear tires in 30K, all severe inside wear. Dealer replaced the tires but offered no fix (camber is not adjustable). They finally told me to get an aftermarket kit from a tire dealer to fix it. For a brand new car, this is unacceptable...will pursue lemon law, etc.
Recently replaced tires after 30k. Only left rear had significant wear on inside edge. Dealer checked alignment and found left rear significantly out of spec. Other three wheels were within specs and had even tire wear.
Dealer also mentioned that there two other HCHs with similar type wear, but that he didn't get to examine those cases.
He went in with an attitude to find something that Honda would be responsible for - and found nothing.
I have a 2007 civic hybrid and wore the rear tires out in less than 18k.
Definately something wrong. You have to rotate the tires so that the faulty
rear suspension doesn't wear them out, although the front tires do all the work. It's supposed to be the other way around. The dealer checked my car
out and found no problem. Other than that, I like the car. I get nearly 50 miles to the gallon, but whatever I save on fuel I'll spend on tires. I'll check out the lemon law groups as well.
:confused:
:mad: At 19000 miles, my 07 HCH has 4 ruined tires from the negative camber issue.
With proper documentation and a very courteous demeanor I took my car to where I purchased it, Auto Park Honda in Cary, NC .:mad:
After inspecting my tire for 30 minutes, the service girl informed me that "they" determined the inner tire wear was from "Overloading" in my car. I had 2 toolboxes in my trunk and they come to me with that crap. The totally unhelpful and unsympathetic Service Manager totally blew me off and told me straight up, "You're not getting 2 new tires today". AVOID Auto Park Honda! I'm paying $530 a month for a car and warranty backed by Crooks. There are over 300 cases of this Negative Camber problem on various websites on the net with the same problem, but mine is "Overloading"?
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f0f75f0They said nothing was wrong with my car, but he could not deny that others were coming to him with the same problem!
CAVEAT EMPTOR:mad:
I have had my HCH in the shop for a total of 14 working days for a Motor Position Sensor issue, and now these CROOKS can't take the blame for an OBVIOUS mfg defect in which the HCH eats the inside of tires, or at least the 300 plus mine I've read about.
I hope that at least one person reads this and goes and buys the PRIUS instead of the HCH. And go to anyone else other than LEITH, they own the place and must train these folks to do anything but take responsibility and refuse to right a wrong. :mad:
And on top of all of that, they were OUT OF COFFEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We've got a little over 30,000km's on our 2006. I believe the tires have been rotated front-to-back with one pair also going side-to-side, once. They look fine and run smooth. Not saying this to negate what others are saying, just my experience.
Indeed.
I have a 2006 HCH with many miles in it now and no signs of unusual tire wear. My wife has a 2007 is all is super with her's as well. I also know hundreds of HCH-2 owners who report no such issues.
I am not saying these claims are without merit.
However, I am positive that there has to be other mitigating factors that explain these differences in owner experience. One thing, I am sure: all HCH-II were/are manufactured by the same standards, at the same plant in Suzuka.
Cheers;
MSantos
The only "mitigating factor" in my case is that I drive this car much more carefully than any I have owned previously. The mileage monitor is addictive.
I drive the same route that I have driven for over 15 years. I averaged over 60k miles on my previous cars' tires with intermittent tire rotation. My hybrid tires were Dunlop tires. I will never buy Dunlap tires again. The service rep. at my
dealer actually told me that part of the problem is that the rear of the car is too light. Maybe I should lug around a couple of toolboxes to weigh down the rear to improve my mileage. What a joke!! There is definately a problem with
the rear suspension and they know it. My next hybrid will not be a Honda. I love this car except for the tire issue, but because my dealer won't be straight with me, they have lost a customer forever. Too bad.
Honda blinked :eek:
After completing the Customer Service Satisfaction E-Mail I received after the above encounter, I was promptly contacted by the service dept. and told the following:
In the dealer's words "We acknowledge there is a problem with the Civic Rear tires and a camber kit will be available soon." They sold me with a new set of tires at 50% price. I went with the Bridgestones, not the Dunlops.
Stay tuned.
So you had to get Honda authorization for the Dealer to do the upgrade work and get the new tires?
Auto Park Honda of Cary, NC to this day (and I called on Friday 2-29-08, talked to Jeff in service) totally deny a kit is available and do not return my calls. They are totally crooks. On the other hand, I talked to a really nice Honda dealer in Jacksonville, NC and they came clean. Honda America has known of the ENTIRE CIVIC LINE 2006+ having a rear tire wear issue due to negative camber FOR 2 YEARS. They started offering a free kit with install in DEC 2007 and it takes 1:15 minutes to install. This IS a HONDA kit and installed upon request with no recall at this time. So it depends on if the dealer are SOB's like in CARY NORTH CAROLINA at AUTO PARK HONDA where they DENY and ACCUSE the CUSTOMER of causing the problem, or a fine, honorable dealership like LEJUNE HONDA in JACKSONVILLE NC where they say "Yeah, got an hour, we'll be glad to fix that, and Hondas' going to cover that for you!
Oh yeah, Honda America could really take the bull by the horns and tell the JERKY Honda dealerships to please don't lie and tell the customers who pay $500 a month for their CIVICs that it's your problem, deal with it. They would be glad to to see your wife or kids having a freaking blowout at highway speed than install 2 bolts to your rear tires, and they get reimbursed by honda. Yes, my right rear tire blew out on the way to the dealership.
My new 07 Civic Hybrid became uncomfortably loud and vibrated shortly after purchase. Discovered severe tire wear on the inside of both rear tires at 8-10k miles. Dealer hesitantly replaced both rear tires and concluded that tires were not properly balanced, etc..Civic okay for 2 months, however, the same problem returned at 23k miles. Researched the internet and armed myself with blogs before returning to the dealer. Dealer questioned me regarding proper tire rotation/tire inflation, etc...and stated that they were unsure of the problem. After confronting the dealership with the blogs regarding the rear control arms, vehicle was taken in for service and the rear control arms were replaced. Dealer agreed to purchase one rear tire and I would purchase the other rear tire. Again Civic okay for 2 months, but problem has returned at 28k miles. Returned vehicle to dealer and after test drive and tire inspection, was advised that a vibration was present and although tires had worn evenly, the tires were cupped. It appears that "new" rear control arms have not corrected the problem. I will meet with the dealership's district manager in an attempt to resolve the problem. Unfortunately, dealership has left me afoot because they will not provide a rental vehicle???
Good luck. The camber kit Honda installed on my civic did keep the tires from wearing to the belts, but did not stop them from cupping horribly. I've just gotten used to the loud tire noise and the crappy 35 Mpg. Not that 35 Mpg is crappy, but 51 Mpg on the sticker didn't say you have to buy a scan gauge and drive like a sedated turtle to get the 51 Mpg.
Which Honda dealership are you associated with?
I just sent a e-mail to the NHSTA regarding the unsafe condition on all 2006-08 Civics. I have nearly hydroplaned off the road 3 times here in Hawaii before realizing that the inside of my rear tires were worn bald while the outsides looked new. I am running into nothing but denial and refusal to pay and have now contacted Honda of America who is agreeing to pay for the new control arms but only partial payment on the tires.
The scary part is do I now have a lemon that can't be fixed and is going to be worth nothing on the market?
Just wondering of any of you who've mentioned lemon laws have had any satisfaction? We're having the same problem with rear tire wear on our '08 and are just starting down this road. We were told by our dealer - who's been very good so far - that we didn't need new rear control arms.
same shit 2 new tires on the back once and asking again 31k on the car and i could see it with my naked i but nobody wants to due anything its all up to oem specs no shit the oem is the one that is off.
Got the same isue on my '07. 35k+, shimmying at highway speeds, also around 40mph. Not affecting mileage, though, as we're at 47mpg over the life of the car. Has Honda ever put out a service bulletin?
I just spoke with my local honda service rep, who indicated this problem did not affect all second generation civic hybrids. (e.g. my current tires have 65K miles on them and still have wear lef). He acknowledged there is a "honda-authorized fix" for those that have the problem. He also indicated you would know if the first 30K miles if your vehicle was one that had the problem, so if you passed this point you probably don't need to worry that you may have this problem.
Hello! I have an 08 HCH and I am experiencing the same problem. At about 30,000 miles, I was told that my tires were wearing unevenly and to get my alignment checked. I did so, and the guys at Honda told me that they "fixed" it and there was nothing wrong with my tires. 20,000 miles later, and my tires were making an awful noise. Took it to the dealer again, who told me I needed new tires, and an alignment done again. I did this. Then I look it up on the internet and I find all these other people who have the same problem. Imagine! There is a Honda service bulletin out there, its called 08-001, (google TSB 08-001) and it covers this exact problem. You need to have your rear control arms replaced, although - the dealer told me that this is not the problem with my car and this does not need to be done. I disagree. I think I do have this problem with my car and I think Honda doesn't want to fix it. Now - I love this car and I get 50 mpg with it which is fantastic but I do not want to have to buy new tires every 30,000 miles! And yes I got my tires rotated regularly as the tire manufacture recommended. I am calling my lawyer. I dislike being lied too and Honda has NOT fixed the problem on all their models.
I had this issue at 27,000. I that the car was driving funny and checked out the tired, they were bald.... I had to get teh replaced asap since I drive an hour to college everyday. I have no contacted Honda yet but plan to do so soon... It is crazy that tires would go bald after only 27,000 miles
and now I get worse gas mileage with the new tires... 33 mpg instead of 41
Like others I too decided to do some research after my "Free Oil Change" and finding out my 08 with 34,000 miles needs new tires. They are not marginal, the rears are in definite need of replacement. The wear pattern is the same is mentioned in previous posts. Up to this point I've really like my mileage and the car in general but if I have to replace the tires every 30,000 then the mileage benifit has been comprimised. I was quoted $675 plus $150 for alignment for exact replacement tires by the Honda dealer. So approximately $1000/30,000 miles equals 3 cents per mile. If I average 45 mpg (in summer) and gas is $3/gal then excluding the tires stuff it cost 6 cents per mile to fuel my Civic. If I was able to put 50,000 miles (I usually get 60,000 on other vehicles) on my Civic then sell it without ever replacing the tires I would not have to figure in the cost of replacing them. So if it cost me 9 cents instead of 6 cents then I might as well be driving a less expensive non-hybrid that gets 33mpg instead of 45mpg. Looks like it time to dump my Honda Civic Hybrid. I'm depressed...
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