Prius in Canadian winter
Created September 19, 2005, at 1:55 pm by Anonymous
I have recently purchased a 2005 Prius and it will live it's life here in Saskatchewan Canada where we have extremely cold winters.
I have been told that extreme cold is not a problem for the car.
How does the car react to cold weather starts, and what can I expect for general usage.
Any comments are appreciated.
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6 years ago
As a future Prius buyer I'm interested myself. But there's a good idea what it might look like:
http://john1701a.com/prius/documents/Prius-2001_MPG_Graphs_Lifetime.pdf
Basicly the lowest is of 34mpg (6.5l/100km) in winter due to the cold. This is based on the this particular user in Ohio.
6 years ago
I purchased a 2004 Prius April 1, 2004. It spent the winter in Saskatoon, Sk.....housed in an unheated, detached garage; with a timed block heater and interior car heater, which were on for approx. 2 hours, 3 times in a 24 hr. period....during the colder months.
My former vehicle was a 1998 Lexus ES 300...which got this same cozy treatment!!! I found that the Prius warmed up faster than the Lexus. I am not one to let a vehicle idle to warm up...hence the interior warmer for steering wheel and butt comfort!!
I don't have any "mileage" info to contribute here.
All engine oils & lubricants are synthetic. I use only premium grade fuel.
6 years ago
There's no reason a Prius would have any more difficulty in winter than any other gasoline-powered automobile.
I would expect however that similarly, you should expect a reduction in fuel efficiency in the winter.
Even today's diesels start OK in deep cold. My two TDIs have seen as low as -35C (I live in Quebec). I do not use any engine pre-heat. They start fine, albeit noisily. Fuel economy can take a 10% hit depending on circumstances.
I should think you would have nothing to worry about.
Mike
6 years ago
The Prius is fine in the winter just like any other car. The link on the posting above to John 1701a's site will show you. He lives in Minnesota and gets the same cold winters as Saskatchewan does. The economy isn't as good for ANY car in the winter, but that's normal. Even still, he's still getting about 35mpg and an overall average of about 50mpg.
6 years ago
Another point that nobody has touched on is the catalyst. All cars require that the catalytic converter get up to a temperature range in order to properly handle emissions. In the winter, this takes longer and the engine has to (1) run longer to bring the temperature up from cold start, and (2) run more often during normal driving to maintain the catalyst temperature for emissions control.
6 years ago
I live in Vermont and drive a 2004 Prius. This will be my first winter with the Prius, after driving an AWD Subaru for years. I drive over 400 miles a week. I'm keeping a blog about how the Prius performs in the winter at http:/www.winterprius.blogspot.com/
So far, the Prius has been great, even better than expected. But if it really does a poor job in the winter, I will report that.
As a note, I have the highly recomended Hakkapeliitta Nordman 1 snowtires on my Prius, and am still averaging 48 - 49 MPG. Not bad!
6 years ago
The thing I do not like about my 2002 Prius is that when I try to drive in the mountains in Alaska, I sometimes need to accelerate all the way up the hill, even if the tires may spin a bit. When the tires spin, the engine falls off to idle. I wish there was some sort of overide I could control this.
6 years ago
Can someone explain why vehicles (hybrids like the Prius or HCH, in particular) have poorer fuel efficiency in the winter than in the summer? I have noticed a 10% increase in efficiency during the past week as the temperature increased. My mileage increased from 42 mpg over 250 miles to 47 mpg over 150 miles.
6 years ago
Brian,
All vehicles perform worse in cold conditions than at 70 degrees. Its just that hybrid owners care.
A lot is caused by the warmup of the car, therefore, if you do a lot of short trips, it will be more noticeable than if you do long trips.
Battery efficiency is lower in cold temperatures than warm so that may contribute as well but I don't know how much.
5 years ago
Brian,
Have you ever tried to ride a bicycle in the winter? It's pretty tough slogging. Your vehicle mileage will decrease in the winter because the car has to work harder to move itself through the snow and slush. It has nothing to do with the fact that you have a hybrid.
5 years ago
Brian - As temps drop, the lubricants in the engine, transmission...all the way to the grease in the wheel bearings and CV joints thicken. It's just going to take more energy to get things moving as usual.
Also, beyond the added energy draw placed by running more electrical loads as mentioned by others, the engine spends a longer time in warm-up mode when started - runs rich to provide adequate ignition/engine operation, as it is the vaporied fuel that burns. The colder the fuel/air charge, the lower the rate of vaporization of the fuel (winter gas blends also include distilates that vaporize at lower temps), and denser is the air which also requires more fuel to maintain a given air-fuel ratio.
5 years ago
My Prius does just as well in the heat of Mid-Georgia as it does in Northern Alberta now.
This winter the mileage took a bit more of a hit than it did in Georgia's Summer Heat but I attribute that to 1)Winter Fuel, 2)Catalytic Converter, and 3)Cold Starts. Plugging the Block Heater in if you parked more than 24 hours and it was down below -10C seems to help ... beyond what the coolant thermos does the job. I plug it in at work regularly and plug it in at home below -20C and let it warm up. I've never had it sit in cold weather more than 48 hours this winter ...
The only other thing I noticed was that the battery runs a higher charge in the cold weather than it did in the warm weather ... maybe that's part of the programming when the snowflake come on the dash as it has been for the last 4 1/2 months straight.
As for the TRAC, overspeed or other programming that causes it to take the power off when 'spinning out' I believe this can be overridden by using brake and this basically stops your vehicle from being a hybrid. I haven't tried it yet. Might have to look at what it says in the book about it again. That aspect has generally saved my *** a couple of times. Once driving through that Hurricane that wiped out New Orleans when it was in Northern Alabama during sideways downpours, and a couple of times driving on ice. It basically kept me from going into a skid. There is only one time when I was temporarily annoyed by this characteristic ... when I was probably driving somewhere I shouldn't on glare ice on a side slope ... but that time I decided I didn't need to go there, backed up and went another way.
Really I can't say that I've had any problems with my Prius in the cold and it was a model built for the Southeastern US market (received at Jacksonville, Florida).
5 years ago
I have a 2005 Prius since june 2005. It performs very well in winter and the fuel effinciency is still very good. I monitor closely my fuel consumption and short trips cost more. Once on highway, the performance is very similar to summer unless there are very bad driving conditions wich happens occasionnaly in Quebec.
Jean-Luc,
Montreal Quebec
5 years ago
I have a 2005 prius and just like clockwork harsh cold winter drives in chicago and buffalo reduce my mileage into the 38/42 mpg range. Alas then comes spring and just like that i am back to my 44/48 mpg range. In mild weather when i real drive very conservatively i have hit 50/55 mpg for some short stretches ie a 20 mile one way trip, but the bottom line is keep on driving conservitive sit back and watch all the crazy people darting in and out and cutting each other off and wasting fuel and loosing their cool along with their cash its a hoot.
Joseph
Chicago
5 years ago
How about driver comfort? Does the cabin heater in a hybrid work as well as in a non-hybrid?
5 years ago
I managed to reduce the cold weather impact on my 2004 Prius fuel efficiency by blocking most of the grille openings with foam pipe insulation. I found that it can be installed very descretely and have had no troubles in two winters. Without these in place, I found my engine running much more just to maintain minimum temperature. Even with these in, the other winter factors still knock down efficiency: Colder starts, pushing snow, anti-freeze in fuel, etc.
In two winters, I have not missed my Subaru except when trying to start on a slippery incline, then the traction control can essentially paralyze your car. It would be nice if you could turn the T.C. off momentarily.
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