Which hybrid is the best? Is MPG king?
I want the best MPG in a used car that I can get, but I don't want to sacrifice quality in a car to get it. When I briefly checked around on line for the best MPG (not exclusively hybrids), I found this site listing cars from 1989 to 2005:
It lists the 2000 Honda Insight (manual) as getting the best MPG, period (61 city, 70 hwy). Not even the 2005 version of the Insight gets better.
After listing all years of the Honda Insight as the top MPG cars, ONLY THEN does it start listing other models like (in order) the Toyota Prius, then the Geo Metro, then the 1989 Honda Civic CRX, and HB VX ... after that is listed the Honda Civic Hybrid. BTW - there were a LOT of 1989 cars that were in the top 50 MPG ... 8 to be exact. Think about that ... in 16 years of cars, 1989, the OLDEST OF THOSE YEARS has more cars in the top 50 MPG than ANY OTHER YEAR AFTERWARDS ... what the hell is wrong with this picture? There should be NO 1989 cars in the top 50 MPG anymore ... so much for progress.
So, naturally, I've been checking into the Insight, looking for something used but still in decent shape ... willing to get an older model to save $$.
My concerns are other hidden costs / problems, not only with the Insight, but with any older model hybrid. If the Insight averages 10-20 MPG better than the HCH and Prius, why are so many people on this forum getting the HCH and Prius instead of the Insight? What is it you know about those cars or the Insight that I don't know that sways you away from choosing the Insight with the best MPG instead?
And if the 2000 model gets better MPG than the 2005 model, what's the hidden catch? I've heard rumor that the first generation of hybrids had a lot of problems. Were there other problems that had to be re-engineered and the trade-off was a slight sacrifice in the MPG? I'm sure a 2000 model costs significantly less than a 2005 model, but are there pitfalls beyond just the standard wear and tear of car mileage, like quality / design flaws, etc.?
Hell, from reading a bit around this forum, it seems like there isn't a consistent experience of MPG for very many hybrid models ... I see people talking of MPGs anywhere from 37 to 60+ for the HCH, although the Insight MPG experiences seem to be consistently higher than any other hybrid. Is hybrid MPG performance just random? What do you do ... just cross your fingers and hope for the best?
What major issues beyond the MPG would stop someone from simply getting the car with the best MPG?
What about finding parts and/or good mechanics that can fix problems with the newer technology? Do higher costs in those areas out-weigh the benefits of gas savings?
I really want to buy my first hybrid, but damn, I'm hesitant right now.
I agree. My new Honda Civic
I agree. My new Honda Civic Hybrid is teaching me how to drive with a lighter foot, coast to stop, and not to inch at intersections (when the engine turns itself off) I get about 50 mpg, but even 45 mpg is far better than any comparable conventional car.
If I get into an accident, Iíve got full coverage, the safety features are the same as the conventional civic. With gas 4.50/gal, Iím gladly supporting new technology away from petroleum.
I can't wait for the insight to come out, I already told my saleman to notify me because I'm getting that too! I can't wait to see what Toyota is going to build to compete with the 2010 insight coming out in spring 2009.
Honda civic and Toyota prius
Honda civic and Toyota prius are same in most of the situations while considering mpg. But i would recommend prius as it has a very large reputation in the market.
Here's a great comparison of
Here's a great comparison of 6 different hybrid cars and a nifty poll to boot. Also, the beginnings of a decent thread conversation with one reader asking some tough questions about the hype vs. reality of hybrids http://blog.easyautosales.com/which-hybrid-is-best/
A careful driver with a gas
A careful driver with a gas saving driving style and the right environmental conditions (temperature, speed limits, etz) can get double the MPG compared to another driver using the same car but with non-optimal environmental conditions and a careless driving style.
Not that the one driver is necessarily better than the other but the point is that driving style is a HUGE factor in what MPG you will get out of a car.
My 1998 Opel Astra Wagon gets up to 45 MPG with a moderately gas saving driving style and a 2 liter turbo charged diesel engine.
Calculate your Gas Mileage
I bought a 1994 Civic HB VX
I bought a 1994 Civic HB VX at an auction for $900 w 210k on it. It gets low 40s in the city, and I've seen just over 50 on trips. Tell me why I should spend $20,000 on a hybrid? I can fix a LOT of problems with the 20g savings, I don't have to replace a battery at 100k miles, anyone can work on it, and parts are plentiful and cheap. Can you say that about your Insight?
When gas falls below $3 per gallon (oh look, it's $2.39 in my town) you'll still be driving that goofy looking Prius - and guess what? My VX has a better 0-60 time. So you've got lots of options I don't have? Well, my A/c works, and that's really all I need. Now please excuse me, I've got to go count all the money I didn't spend on a brand new birth control car.