hybrids as enviroment friendly as think
Created January 16, 2005, at 12:08 pm by Anonymous
Some hybrids use twice as much fuel as a VW Lupo. They contain components that may be future problems in landfills and the extra energy (& pollution) used to produce a hybrid you would be better serving the environment by driving an old 79 F150. While cars are constantly being scrapped and rebuilt into new cars my f150 keeps on going.
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Try putting a cord of wood in the back of a VW Lupo.
The premise is incongruous.
Your F150 puts out more pollution standing still than the current hybrids do running down the freeway. Between controlling evaporative emissions and the use of more environmentally friendly manufacturing processes these cars are very clean throughout their entire lifecycle. The California AT-PZEV designation takes manufacturing and disposal into account when they assess the rating.
As for the materials in the vehicles, NiMH batteries are well understood at this point and are recycled by the automakers (Toyota places a bounty on each battery pack to assure they get returned). There isn't much else in a hybrid that is any more exotic than what you'd find in a conventional car.
Modern auto production is a lot cleaner than it used to be. Just the switch to water-based paint made a big difference.
Quote: "you would be better serving the environment by driving an old 79 F150."
Great idea! Let's take that "logic" a bit further: why don't we all go back to riding our horses to work? It would surely cut down on the landfill issue, since I'm pretty sure that dead horses are biodegradable.
Regarding the emissions problem though, I'm not so sure. Have you ever stood behind a horse for any length of time? :-)
Horse dung could be processed and fed back to the horse in his feed. Sort of a crude EGR system. I like it!
Yes but how would the horse feel about it? :-)
I need som info on hybrids and how they effect the enviroment. I also need a counter argument on that. please I'm desperate
walker - there are loads of threads and resource topics here that discuss most of the issues associated with Hybrids. Start reading and you will find just about everything we know.
Hybrid Cars?
Should hybrid cars be the car of the future? Yes I believe hat they should. Hybrids have their perks and their downs. These cars are independent of foreign oil, have great mileage, the relative cost, and the environmental impact are few of the perks.
America is very dependent on foreign oil because we have few oil deposits that are rich in the oil that cars need to be able to function. There is a possible “gold mine” of oil in Alaska, but it’s oil is in protected by a national forest and it is the heart of the wilderness. As America goes to war in the Middle East (Iraq) we have made oil scarcer, making the price raise. If we raise fuel efficiency standards in American cars by one mile per gallon, in one year, we would save twice the amount of oil that could be obtained from the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge
Raising it by 2.7 mpg would save enough to eliminate all the oil imports from Iraq and Kuwait combined
Raising it by 7.6 mpg would save enough to eliminate 100% of our gulf oil imports into this country. It is possible that we could be cut off from this valuable source of crude oil. Not having this oil could inhibit our ability to use oil dependent transportation and machines. This in turn could pull us back into the dark ages of no oil. Some would say that if this happens that w could just destroy the Alaskan wilderness and possible have oil. This would possible ruin our last frontier.
The mileage of hybrids is advertised as excellent. Although some would argue that advertised mileage is a dream. Also that in Consumer Reports road tests, the Honda Civic Hybrid got only 26 miles per gallon in the city--46 percent below the EPA rating. The Anuvu can go 700 miles on a 20 dollar tank of gas! This car does not eliminate the need for oil or gas but it does greatly reduce it. This car also has better statistics an ratings then other hybrids and normal cars. Using space age technology this car is able to go from 0 to 60 in 6.6 seconds!
The impact of hybrids on the environment is small but not gone. That is the slogan of gas guzzling diesel owners. Diesels do have the pulling power that hybrids do not have but these people use them in bumper to bumper commutes. To give you a better idea of what I am talking bout here this. U.S.A. cars and light trucks together consume 8.2 million barrels of oil each day. This translates to over 300 million metric tons of carbon that comes from our cars and trucks every year. A gallon of gasoline weighs just over 6 pounds. When burned, the carbon in it combines with oxygen from the air to produce nearly 20 pounds of carbon dioxide (CO2). By switching from a gas guzzler to a hybrid, you can literally save the earth a couple of tons of greenhouse gases. If fuel economy were improved by 5 mpg, American consumers would save 1.5 million barrels of oil per day. This would come to an annual reduction of approximately 55 million metric tons of carbon-emissions per day. Moving the world's drivers to more fuel-efficient automotive technology, such as hybrid cars and alternative fuel vehicles, could be one part of a comprehensive strategy to mitigate global warming and its effects. U.S.A. cars and light trucks together consume 8.2 million barrels of oil each day. This translates to over 300 million metric tons of carbon that comes from our cars and trucks every year.
In conclusion you should buy a hybrid car not just for the lower emissions, but also for the relatively lower cost, higher independence, and higher gas mileage. Most important though in not that you have a space age technology but that you re saving the environment.
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yes hybrids are frindly in a way depends on who u talk to but theres the smat car.. vw lupo.. and the new car company comming out with a quite less hassel new version of a steam machine lol so hybirds use fuel smart cars use fuel lupos use fuel but the steam engin seems to be the only way to save this planet for more future generations.
what are the advantage of the hybrid cars?
who are the manufacturers?
in terms of speed, quality, performance and look would we want to have a hybrid car?, instead of a conventional car?
is there anyone who could answer these questions?
-thanks...
Quote "These cars are independent of foreign oil". Um, last I checked, hybrids run on unleaded gasoline. So unless you have your own oil supply directly from an American drilling station, you're probably burning foreign oil just like the rest of us...
what are the advantage of the hybrid cars?
- better fuel economy which saves money on gas, and uses less fuel, which is better for the environment and decreases the demand for oil
who are the manufacturers?
- Toyota has the Prius, the Highlander and the Lexus 400h; Honda has the Insight, the Civic and the Accord; Ford has the Escape and the Mercury Mariner
in terms of speed, quality, performance and look would we want to have a hybrid car?, instead of a conventional car?
- there are two basic types of hybrids right now. those who mainly use the technology to boost fuel economy, and those that use the technology to give a slight boost to fuel economy but also improve the performance. The Toyota Prius and the Honda Insight and Civic Hybrid are mainly after fuel economy enhancement. They get mileage from 50-70 mpg (EPA ratings). The Accord and the SUV hybrids let a V6 engine get V4-type mileage, with slightly improved acceleration (torque in an electric motor goes from 0 to full immediately, as opposed to a gasoline-powered motor, which takes time to increase torque). Look-wise, the Toyota Prius and the Honda Insight are unmistakably hybrids. They have a unique design. The other vehicles are simply hybrid versions of their non-hybrid counterparts, and have minimal, if any, differences.
Hope this helps!
I think youre all weird!!! Im perfectly happy about the horse idea it would cut down on emmmisions and if im only 14 and still understand the enviroment then what are you grown peopel moaning about. a flashy car isnt everything, who cars if the cars flashy its wether you are ruining the atmoshpere. So yeah teh dude with the horses lets use that idea or mabye we should get of our lasy backsides and walk and before you say its to far there is a bus tube and other public transport. And yes it may smell and be crowded and make you late for work , but does that really matter, i mean peole are destrying the ozone soon people wont be able to go outside if you keep this up so take public transport and bin teh cars
plz people stop with the cars and use the buses hybrid cause just as much pollution as any other car. i am 14 and i know this you should too public transport sucks but not as much as the end of the world through ozone burning
Why reinvent the car, hybrid technology will go balistic when a company offers a drop in hybrid motor/gen that can be fitted to any vehicle. The system will use adaptor plates to fit any make of vehicle, It will have a motor/generator integrated with an IC engine and controllers. The IC engine will have heat revovery,water injection in exhaust, powering turbine on sprauge clutch to crankshaft. So any car can be a hybrid, If your engine blows you replace it with a comparable hybrid,so the changover to hybrid technology happens substantially faster and not by the purchase of new cars nobody can afford. Why convert? people will convert when the money they save on gas will make the loan payment on the conversion, simple economics. They will convert because it cost them nothing, betting that the price of gas will go up lowering the payback period. It's about money silly!
"That is the slogan of gas guzzling diesel owners. "
Not withstanding the fact that diesels don't use ANY gasoline, I assume you mean "oil guzzling diesel owners".
Fact: Currently available VW 1.9L TDI diesels can achieve close to 50 mpg on the highway in real world conditions which is comparable to hybrids, but at a much lower acquisition cost.
Fact: diesel uses less energy to refine.
Fact: when you factor in the overall process from refining to tailpipe, efficient direct-injection diesel engines will be responsible for equal or lower CO2 emissions compared to small hybrids like the Prius or Civic, and much less than large hybrids like the Highlander.
Fact: a VW Jetta TDI diesel station wagon will meet the needs of any 2 adult/2 kid families, and will consume far less fuel (of a type that requires far less to refine) than a Ford Escape or Toyota Highlander hybrid (or its Lexus equivalent) (you can still buy a 2006 Jetta diesel wagon in Canada but not the US, where only the sedan is available).
Fact: diesels can run on 100% biofuels made from biological WASTE oils. With biofuels for spark-ignition cars (read: gasoline power), you're talking ethanol. Ethanol is less efficient, may be overall negative in efficiency if you include the intensive agricultural fuel/fertilizer consumption, and requires you to make a choice between growing food or fuel.
I currently alternate between a VW Jetta and VW Passat (both TDI diesels) to commute. I can get over 750 miles per 65 liter tank on the Jetta, and nearly 700 on the Passat.
Fact: diesel owners have nothing to be ashamed of.
I think that we should go back to steam engines they cause less pollution than hybrids and other cars so ditch them.
Ama, what do you want to burn to generate steam? Coal? Bunker C? Won't the fuels burned to produce steam also produce pollution?
It's very easy for someone who probably gets driven everywhere to question the necessity for a car.
Some points:
-Holes in the ozone layer are believed to be caused by the effects of CFCs (chlorofluorocarbons) reacting with ozone and decomposing it into ozygen. This has little to do with cars, and much more to do with refrigerators and styrofoam.
-There are unquestionably benefits from driving. Not only does personal travel depend on it, but so does industrial transportation; imagine if all shipping in the US were to shut down! The US economy would self-destruct, and people would be starving. Hardly an improvement...
The key is not trying to cut off pollution completely but cutting down its production to a point where its costs to the environment equal its benefit to the nation.
-Imagine trying to feed several MILLION horses.
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I totally agree - diesel is great, but has anyone thought about veggie oil? Most diesel engines can be coverted (for small cost) to accept vegetable oil too (which costs at most $1.80 a gallon right now). Unfortunatly, diesel is still made from oil, which doesn't do anything to help our dependance of foreign oil - switching to veggie oil does!
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