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08 HCH better mpg in city that highway

Created January 19, 2008, at 11:49 pm by kdunaev

I have put 2000 mile on my 08 HCH since December. I live in the Chicago burbs, and it has been pretty cold here. Still I am averaging about 41 mpg. My commute to work is 45 miles one way, divided evenly between highway and local roads. However I noticed that I get much better FE on the local roads where I stay between 35 and 55 mph versus the highway where I stay between 65 and 75 mph. I have read a lot of posts here and Tarabell's post that MSantos suggested, and it seems that I am following all the suggestions. When I hold the speed constant at say 68 mph I get less than 40 mpgs. I have to start gliding and slowing down in order to improve the EF, and so find myself constantly slowing down, then accelerating a bit. On local streets I can hold my speed in the 40s and get about 60 mpg. HCH is advertized to get better FE on the highway, but this does not seem to be the case. Any ideas?

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4 years ago

55 to 60 gives good FE. Over that and it falls off. My FE is 56+ at these speeds. H::D

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4 years ago

That's kinda crappy. even at 70 mph I am going slower than most of the cars around me. It is not realistic to be going 55 on the highway. Honda should have considered that. That and non-folding rear seats... Otherwise I'm very happy with the car. Can't wait till it warms up. I can probably get over 65 mpg on local roads to make up for the highway.

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4 years ago

I have managed #'s in the 70's, but only for short distances getting into EV mode. Good luck:p

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4 years ago

kdunaev;14839 wrote:
...HCH is advertized to get better FE on the highway, but this does not seem to be the case. Any ideas?

You are correct.
The HCH is advertised with better FE on the highway but the figures in that advertising are directly derived from the EPA testing of ALL cars.

Fact is that the EPA tested the cars at much lower highway speeds (Max 60 MPH , Average of 48 MPH) than most folks a likely to do nowadays. That, and the fact that the EPA test routine did not account for AC use among other driver habits, vehicle features, and traffic patterns helps make the EPA somewhat unrealistic for most folks.

Now, neither Honda nor any manufacturer can do much about the laws of physics. Any speed above 55-60 MPH is going to impact the amount of fuel you use to overcome air resistance. The good thing about the HCH is that it has one of the lowest coefficients of drag (CoD=0.27) on any car on the market. In addition to that, its CVT will provide higher gearing rations than most other cars as well, which helps keep the RPMS down as well as a retention of higher fuel economy figures.
In other words, racing above 55-60 MPH is going to hit any car and that's been factored into the HCH design already. Even at 70MPH the HCH is one of the most efficient cars on the road, but make no mistake - you are not going to meet the EPA ratings at those speeds.

Again, it is all about physics especially when you score speeds above 60MPH.

Here's a little reminder for those of us who forgot the relevant elementary high school physics:

Aerodynamic drag is proportional to the square of the object's speed.

(In basic terms, when speed doubles, wind resistance quadruples !!!)

Cheers;

MSantos

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4 years ago

Thanks MSantos. I kinda figured all that. I just wanted to make sure that the reduction of FE I was experiencing was comparable to what others who drive at similar speeds and similar conditions are experiencing. 38 mpgs at a constant speed of 70 mph seemed a little low to me. Just wanted to get some reassurance that it wasn't my car, but what can be expected at that speed.

What do you do for a living that you know so much about this stuff?

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4 years ago

I think the best mileage we've got with our '06 was out in a rural area: nice weather, moderate 70km limit roads, fairly flat, few junctions or stop lights. We were driving around looking for this store, and took a few wrong turns, so ran up a fair number of kilometers in this environment.

We'd just happened to refill and reset the trip odometer. The liters/100km got down incredibly low. Back on the freeway it climbed up a bit, still not bad, but I would suppose the higher speed (higher revs) and increased wind resistance take their toll.

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4 years ago

kdunaev;14848 wrote:
... 38 mpgs at a constant speed of 70 mph seemed a little low to me. Just wanted to get some reassurance that it wasn't my car, but what can be expected at that speed...

While not much can be done to offset the loss of FE at those speeds there are a couple of tweaks that may help.

  1. Lose the weight. In other words keep the trunk as empty as possible. A partly loaded car adds to the weight that increases the downward force on the car and raises the tire to surface road friction.
  2. Pump your tires. Set the front and rear tires to a good pressure: like 42 PSI in the front and 40 in the rear tires. Any pressure lower than this will add to the tire to road surface friction.
  3. Use the DWL technique when driving through small hills if possible.
  4. Use the DWB technique when driving in light traffic is possible.
  5. Use the P&G technique when possible - if done correctly it is possible to get some really crazy high FE.
  6. Keep windows closed. :)

Cheers;

MSantos

S.R. nathan

3 years ago

What is the top speed CHC is comfortable to drive at? Is it 70mph or 75 or even higher? I know that fuel efficiency goes out the window at these speeds, but just curious to know if it is good to use for regular highway driving.

S.R.Nathan

3 years ago

I mean, What is the top speed HCH is comfortable to drive at? 70 mph, 75 or even higher? yes, fuel efficiency goes out the window at these speeds, but just curious to know if it is good to use for regular highway driving.

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3 years ago

If you can accept the physics behind the mileage loss at those speeds then the HCH-II is in its element on the highway. Unlike the Prius, the HCH's highway mileage is better than its city rating.

Take one on a test drive and you can see if it suits you.

Cheers;

MSantos

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