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		<title>By: Chrysler 300</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chrysler 300</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 10:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A series- or serial-hybrid vehicle has also been referred to as an Extended Range Electric Vehicle or Range-Extended Electric Vehicle (EREV/REEV); however, range extension can be accomplished with either series or parallel hybrid layouts.&lt;br /&gt;
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Series-hybrid vehicles are driven by the electric motor with no mechanical connection to the engine. Instead there is an engine tuned for running a generator when the battery pack energy supply isn&#039;t sufficient for demands.&lt;br /&gt;
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This arrangement is not new, being common in diesel-electric locomotives and ships. Ferdinand Porsche used this setup in the early 20th century in racing cars, effectively inventing the series-hybrid arrangement. Porsche named the arrangement &quot;System Mixt&quot;. A wheel hub motor arrangement, with a motor in each of the two front wheels was used, setting speed records. This arrangement was sometimes referred to as an electric transmission, as the electric generator and driving motor replaced a mechanical transmission. The vehicle could not move unless the internal combustion engine was running.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A series- or serial-hybrid vehicle has also been referred to as an Extended Range Electric Vehicle or Range-Extended Electric Vehicle (EREV/REEV); however, range extension can be accomplished with either series or parallel hybrid layouts.</p>
<p>Series-hybrid vehicles are driven by the electric motor with no mechanical connection to the engine. Instead there is an engine tuned for running a generator when the battery pack energy supply isn&#8217;t sufficient for demands.</p>
<p>This arrangement is not new, being common in diesel-electric locomotives and ships. Ferdinand Porsche used this setup in the early 20th century in racing cars, effectively inventing the series-hybrid arrangement. Porsche named the arrangement &#8220;System Mixt&#8221;. A wheel hub motor arrangement, with a motor in each of the two front wheels was used, setting speed records. This arrangement was sometimes referred to as an electric transmission, as the electric generator and driving motor replaced a mechanical transmission. The vehicle could not move unless the internal combustion engine was running.</p>
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		<title>By: tapra1</title>
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		<dc:creator>tapra1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 11:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the company expected about 15 percent of buyers to go for the hybrid version. Instead, nearly 25 percent are driving off the lot with the hybrid.&lt;a title=&quot;Best Reseller Hosting&quot; href=&quot;http://webhostingreview.info/reseller-hosting/&quot;&gt;Best Reseller Hosting&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 13:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anonymous, thanks for pointing me to the Wikipedia sales numbers.  As you may expect I see something different in the numbers.  When the Camry Hybrid was the only mid size sedan available in America it had great sales numbers.  As soon as the Fusion Hybrid came on the market, the Camry&#039;s sales plummeted.  So I am going with the simple explanation that the Fusion and Milan took sales away from the Camry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous, thanks for pointing me to the Wikipedia sales numbers.  As you may expect I see something different in the numbers.  When the Camry Hybrid was the only mid size sedan available in America it had great sales numbers.  As soon as the Fusion Hybrid came on the market, the Camry&#8217;s sales plummeted.  So I am going with the simple explanation that the Fusion and Milan took sales away from the Camry.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 01:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[XZIM,  I can&#039;t believe anyone is still propagating the lies that Ford bought the technology from Toyota.  The fact is, Ford independently developed a similar system to Toyota (which, BTW was originally conceived in the  70&#039;s by I believe TRW).  As a result, there was some licensing exchanges between the two companies.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Hybridmann, Two mpg improvement may not seem like much, but replacing a 18 mpg vehicle with a 20 mpg vehicle will save more fuel than replacing a 40 mpg vehicle with a 51 mpg vehicle.  At some point, it is  better to put effort into improving large vehicle fuel economy.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>XZIM,  I can&#8217;t believe anyone is still propagating the lies that Ford bought the technology from Toyota.  The fact is, Ford independently developed a similar system to Toyota (which, BTW was originally conceived in the  70&#8242;s by I believe TRW).  As a result, there was some licensing exchanges between the two companies.  </p>
<p>Hybridmann, Two mpg improvement may not seem like much, but replacing a 18 mpg vehicle with a 20 mpg vehicle will save more fuel than replacing a 40 mpg vehicle with a 51 mpg vehicle.  At some point, it is  better to put effort into improving large vehicle fuel economy.</p>
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		<title>By: hybridmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>hybridmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 18:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Charles&lt;br /&gt;
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If you think back several years back when gas prices first hit $4 a gallon, Ford immediately raised its price of its hybrid Escape $5K. Ford never lowered the MSRP and has maintained the price at that level. One year later, they quietly removed rear disc brakes and replaced it with drum brakes. Is this improving the vehicle? (No,  it&#039;s saving money for them and cheaping out the public who buys it)&lt;br /&gt;
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Every car manufacture has stated at one point or another that the price of hybrids would be the same or nearly the same, not at a premium. It has not happened yet and hybrids have been here for ten years now.&lt;br /&gt;
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As others have commented, Ford and other American manufactures need to be more serious about making a comparable car with a matching price point. Not a car that&#039;s larger and more expensive. Example is GM&#039;s hybrid SUV; the Tahoe only gets two more miles per gallon than the normal gas version. Get serious!&lt;br /&gt;
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They are only fooling themselves&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles</p>
<p>If you think back several years back when gas prices first hit $4 a gallon, Ford immediately raised its price of its hybrid Escape $5K. Ford never lowered the MSRP and has maintained the price at that level. One year later, they quietly removed rear disc brakes and replaced it with drum brakes. Is this improving the vehicle? (No,  it&#8217;s saving money for them and cheaping out the public who buys it)</p>
<p>Every car manufacture has stated at one point or another that the price of hybrids would be the same or nearly the same, not at a premium. It has not happened yet and hybrids have been here for ten years now.</p>
<p>As others have commented, Ford and other American manufactures need to be more serious about making a comparable car with a matching price point. Not a car that&#8217;s larger and more expensive. Example is GM&#8217;s hybrid SUV; the Tahoe only gets two more miles per gallon than the normal gas version. Get serious!</p>
<p>They are only fooling themselves</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 16:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it&#039;s better to take a look of longer time span. Since Camry hybrid was first available in the U.S., it sold 31,341, 54,477, 46,272, 22887, 14,587 between 2006 and 2010. (from Wikipedia: Hybrid electric vehicles in the U.S.) &lt;br /&gt;
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It&#039;s understandable that the economy played a big role. Sales of most vehicles suffered a drop-off since the recession, I guess. But there are other factors at work, the current Prius, which gets a little bigger and improved fuel economy, debuted in 2009 and may draw away some customers, Camry is getting a bit long in the tooth - most customers who are interested in it may have got one, it is five years old - which historically is when it is replaced by a new model and there are rumours/speculations that a new model may arrive by the end of the year/early next year. In view of that, I&#039;m not surprised if sales of Camry hybrid is depressed at the moment. &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s better to take a look of longer time span. Since Camry hybrid was first available in the U.S., it sold 31,341, 54,477, 46,272, 22887, 14,587 between 2006 and 2010. (from Wikipedia: Hybrid electric vehicles in the U.S.) </p>
<p>It&#8217;s understandable that the economy played a big role. Sales of most vehicles suffered a drop-off since the recession, I guess. But there are other factors at work, the current Prius, which gets a little bigger and improved fuel economy, debuted in 2009 and may draw away some customers, Camry is getting a bit long in the tooth &#8211; most customers who are interested in it may have got one, it is five years old &#8211; which historically is when it is replaced by a new model and there are rumours/speculations that a new model may arrive by the end of the year/early next year. In view of that, I&#8217;m not surprised if sales of Camry hybrid is depressed at the moment. </p>
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		<title>By: xzim</title>
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		<dc:creator>xzim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the ford fusion hybrid may be out selling toyota, by alittle, but i&#039;ve spent the morning reading a comparison or the two. the camry is faster, and exceeded its epa estimates without trying, while the ford fusion was way under.(wish i could remember the site) Americans only buy american made cars because they think they are helping our economy. most american cars are made in mexico, and most foreign cars are made in america. i also think the epa over estimates domestic cars fuel economy. every domestic car i have ever driven, i&#039;ve had to baby it to get close to what the sticker says. All my hondas i own now, out do the epa rating with out even trying. my 05&#039; civic hybrid was doing 64.9 mpg on my way home from work, the other day at highway speeds 65-70 depending on the state i was driving thru. my honda fit rated at 33, has never done under 38-40 mpg. &lt;br /&gt;
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i&#039;m not 100% sure but doesnt ford use toyota&#039;s synergy drive? how american of ford to buy their technology from toyota, then turn around and proclaim how much more inferior their product is on their commercials. when they should be thankful, they could even get the opportunity to stick their foot in the door, of a segment they would have never had a chance at in the first place.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the ford fusion hybrid may be out selling toyota, by alittle, but i&#8217;ve spent the morning reading a comparison or the two. the camry is faster, and exceeded its epa estimates without trying, while the ford fusion was way under.(wish i could remember the site) Americans only buy american made cars because they think they are helping our economy. most american cars are made in mexico, and most foreign cars are made in america. i also think the epa over estimates domestic cars fuel economy. every domestic car i have ever driven, i&#8217;ve had to baby it to get close to what the sticker says. All my hondas i own now, out do the epa rating with out even trying. my 05&#8242; civic hybrid was doing 64.9 mpg on my way home from work, the other day at highway speeds 65-70 depending on the state i was driving thru. my honda fit rated at 33, has never done under 38-40 mpg. </p>
<p>i&#8217;m not 100% sure but doesnt ford use toyota&#8217;s synergy drive? how american of ford to buy their technology from toyota, then turn around and proclaim how much more inferior their product is on their commercials. when they should be thankful, they could even get the opportunity to stick their foot in the door, of a segment they would have never had a chance at in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anonymous, if the Fusion Hybrid sales are dismal, what can you say about all other hybrids except the Prius and Insight?  The Fusion Hybrid consistently out sells its direct competitors (Camry and Altima).  It is too early to tell how sales will compare to the Sonata.&lt;br /&gt;
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Toyota has sold 76,821 Camrys through March of this year to Ford&#039;s 65,023 Fusions.  But Fusion Hybrids out sold Camry Hybrids 3,814 to 3,290.  So the Fusions Hybrid&#039;s take rate is 5.87% and the Carmy&#039;s only 4.28%.  Looks like the public thinks the Fusion Hybrid is a better than the Camry Hybrid and is willing to pay for that difference.&lt;br /&gt;
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I do hope that Ford does a hybrid Focus hatchback and that it is priced between the Insight and Prius.  That will not happen until Ford has more control over its hybrid parts.  Ford is building battery and transmission plants in Michigan.  When these plants are on line we will then see how serious Ford is about hybrids.&lt;br /&gt;
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Total car sales data is from the WSJ, hybrid sales data is from this web site.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous, if the Fusion Hybrid sales are dismal, what can you say about all other hybrids except the Prius and Insight?  The Fusion Hybrid consistently out sells its direct competitors (Camry and Altima).  It is too early to tell how sales will compare to the Sonata.</p>
<p>Toyota has sold 76,821 Camrys through March of this year to Ford&#8217;s 65,023 Fusions.  But Fusion Hybrids out sold Camry Hybrids 3,814 to 3,290.  So the Fusions Hybrid&#8217;s take rate is 5.87% and the Carmy&#8217;s only 4.28%.  Looks like the public thinks the Fusion Hybrid is a better than the Camry Hybrid and is willing to pay for that difference.</p>
<p>I do hope that Ford does a hybrid Focus hatchback and that it is priced between the Insight and Prius.  That will not happen until Ford has more control over its hybrid parts.  Ford is building battery and transmission plants in Michigan.  When these plants are on line we will then see how serious Ford is about hybrids.</p>
<p>Total car sales data is from the WSJ, hybrid sales data is from this web site.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 02:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[May be Ford should take a look at the market, Prius starts from 23,000, Honda Insight starts from 18,200 (and their sales jumped almost 60% and 70n% respectively last month), its direct competitors Camry hybrid starts below 27,000 and Sonata hybrid starts from less than 26,000. No wonder sales of Fusion hybrid is so dismal. &lt;br /&gt;
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Ford should either get serious or get out of the market.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May be Ford should take a look at the market, Prius starts from 23,000, Honda Insight starts from 18,200 (and their sales jumped almost 60% and 70n% respectively last month), its direct competitors Camry hybrid starts below 27,000 and Sonata hybrid starts from less than 26,000. No wonder sales of Fusion hybrid is so dismal. </p>
<p>Ford should either get serious or get out of the market.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/ford-implements-strategies-lower-cost-hybrids-29785/#comment-30920</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 22:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The &#039;hybrid premium&#039; Ford charges on the Fusion Hybrid is $4,325.  That is the difference between the Fusion Hybrid with leather seating and the Fusion V6 SEL with reverse sensing.  Those two models are very close to each other as far as equipment goes.&lt;br /&gt;
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It is not fair to compare a Fusion Hybrid to the cheapest Fusion.  Just as it is not fair to compare a Prius to a Yaris as some fool did.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8216;hybrid premium&#8217; Ford charges on the Fusion Hybrid is $4,325.  That is the difference between the Fusion Hybrid with leather seating and the Fusion V6 SEL with reverse sensing.  Those two models are very close to each other as far as equipment goes.</p>
<p>It is not fair to compare a Fusion Hybrid to the cheapest Fusion.  Just as it is not fair to compare a Prius to a Yaris as some fool did.</p>
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