EPA Says Prius Plug-In Gets 11 Miles Electric Range

Depending on how one drives it, Toyota’s Prius Plug-In can go a few miles farther than its U.S. Environmental Protection Agency rating, but officially it can be expected to travel 11 miles in electric-only mode.

This falls short of the “up to 15 miles” at speeds up to 62 mph estimated after consulting with Toyota for our full review.

Although not an apples-to-apples comparison, the Plug-In Prius is often weighed against the Chevy Volt, which is marketed as an “extended-range electric vehicle.” With its larger battery pack, the domestically produced rival from GM is intended to stay in all-electric mode at speeds of up to 100 mph for an EPA-estimated 35 miles distance – though this too can vary greatly depending on usage and ambient temperature.

As mentioned, plug-in Prius test drivers have routinely seen over 11 miles electric range, especially when driving it gingerly.

And where the Prius Plug-In’s EPA efficiency ratings begin to outdo the Volt is in other drive modes. In “EV Mode,” it’s rated at 95 mile per gallon equivalent, which a tad above a fully charged Volt’s estimated 94 MPGe. In hybrid mode, the EPA says the Prius Plug-In returns 50 mpg combined. This compares very well to the Volt’s 37 mpg combined in gasoline-only mode and means – in the absence of on-the-way recharging facilities – for longer trips the Toyota starts to pay back more.

While the two vehicles are often compared and contrasted based on more metrics than the scope of this brief can consider, in short it is a qualified decision to determine between the two.


  • MrEnergyCzar

    The battery is way too small. The engine goes on at highway speeds and supposedly up hills…. It’s good that you mentioned the Volt vs. PIP comparison issue because there isn’t a real comparison yet. The Volt is an EREV… If you drive 75 miles or more between charges regularly than the PIP will use less gas than the Volt. Most people don’t drive that way…..

    MrEnergyCzar

  • mitchell

    The EPA also downgraded the mileage of the old Camry Hybrid and overestimated the mileage of the Fusion hybrid. According to Motor Trend and Consumer Reports, they both got the same mileage–around 35 MPG.
    For what it’s worth, many non-hybrids like the Civic get far higher MPG (47 MPG hwy for Civic) than EPA predicts, according to Consumer Reports–and that publication is known for lower EPA estimates. For instance, they gave the Prius a 44 MPG rating, while EPA gives it 50 MPG>

  • Old Grumpy

    I have a question. Does Jeff Cobb work for Toyota? It seems to me that almost every article that he writes has a very friendly Toyota bias! I will give you an example. ” As mentioned, plug in Prius drivers have routinely seen over 11 miles electric range, especially when driving it gingerly” What does this mean? I am sure that if those same drivers got out and pushed the Prius they would see a even longer range than 11 miles! Why doesn’t he just say that the Prius gets 11 miles in electric range and it cannot deliver the promised 15 miles. And it never will unless you are willing to drive it VERY GINGERLY!! I think this would be a accurate statement instead of trying to compare it to the Volt and then attempting to put the Volt down. They are two different types pf purpulsion systems and cannot be fairly compared. I think that is what Jeff said in the last sentence but I am not sure I translated it correctly!! Maybe someone else might have a different translation of that last sentence?? Rant over!!

  • Jeff Cobb

    @Old Grumpy. Man this place is a minefield. I took pains trying not to offend anyone in the briefest, most neutral manner I could (short of running it past an attorney), and I guess I still could not satisfy everyone.

    “Gingerly” means exactly what Larry Hall wrote in the review linked in this news brief. If you floor it, the ICE comes on. It takes a day or two or longer to get the technique of consistently staying in all-electric mode.

    No bias, my friend, just reporting.

    Since you asked, I am the editor-in-chief of GM-Volt.com and HybridCars.com. I’m trained in journalism with a BA in it (1990).

    I have no political agenda and attempt not to insert biases whenever possible.

    These days journalism has gone down hill, I’ll grant you that. People read all sorts of things into people’s writings, and I’ll agree a lot of journalists (or those who write publicly, call them what you will), do not stick to principles.

    You wrote: “They are two different types pf purpulsion systems and cannot be fairly compared. I think that is what Jeff said in the last sentence but I am not sure I translated it correctly!!”

    I’ll answer: You are right! That is what I meant when I said: “Although not an apples-to-apples comparison, the Plug-In Prius is often weighed against the Chevy Volt … “

    As of yet, there is a limited field of plug-in cars, but these two vehicles are often perceived as rivals, so I addressed that reality. Nothing more.

    There is a lot of fan-boyism in this space that I try to avoid, but somehow even touching these vehicles, one stands to be accused.

    Please cut me a little slack. If you have any other questions or comments, you can email me at jcobb@verticalscope.com if you want to continue the discussion. Thanks for reading!

    Regards,

    Jeff

  • Capt. Concernicus

    Well I’m sure Prius drivers will be able to coax more than 11 miles out of the Prius. The PIP is a vehicle I would be more interested (if I had a place to charge it) in than the Volt. It’s more useful and has more utility than the Volt. True the Volt gets 35 miles on electric, but the Prius is a proven automobile with excellent history of proven reliability and excellent resale value.

    However, both cars do what we need all vehicles to do. Get better fuel economy.

  • Shines

    Sadly, I see the 11 mile EV range as disappointing. In one sense it is amazing that the vehicle can drive over 10 miles on battery power alone. But with the Volt, Leaf, iMiev and others on the market with EV ranges 3 to almost 10 times as far, 11 seems weak. I agree the Prius is a well designed, reliable quality car, but I’m not sure this version will sell too well with just an 11 mile ev range. Anyway, If I had $30k to burn on a new vehicle today – I’d probably go with the Camry hybrid…

  • John K.

    What I want from the PiP is for it to get a bunch of gen 3 Prius owners to dump their current cars to upgrade to the PiP. That will drive down used car prices for the gen 3s.

    I’m hoping to replace my 2004 gen 2 Prius w/a 2010 gen 3 in about 1 year. ;)

  • John K.

    Once someone can look at a delivered PIP, I want to know if they use LEDs in more areas than in the “normal” 2012 Priuses.

    Beginning to think Toyota and others won’t get rid of all the little incandescent lights (headlights excepted) used in various locations (parking lights, turn signals, rear license plate lights, backup lights, interior lights, etc.), until the around 2015 (the next gen Prius)….

  • DownUnder

    Old Grumpy,
    I think jeff’s article is fair. His reply says it all, I don’t need to repeat here. He didn’t put down the VOld, otherwise MrEnergyCzar got upset in his post. Hope you’ll be less grumpy : )

  • Anonymous

    Jeff: Did not mean to hurt anyones feeling. I just felt that the 2 articles (this one and the one on Toyota finishing top 5 out of 10 seemed rather slanted in toyotas favor.) I realize it is hard to keep thing balaced sometime . I know that Toyota makes a good car but so do a lot of other manufactures. I don’t hate Toyota I just happen to like some other cars more (Volt- Ford- Kia hybrid). I like reading this site and hope that you continue to post articles. Again sorry if I hurt feelings that was not the intention of the rant!!

  • MarkWbrooks

    A solid bit of writing.. But one thing you might want to have a further look at is the cold weather performance of plug ins vs a standard gas sedan such as the Camry . it’s known that the plug ins get lower mileage Under cold weather , but this is also true for a gas only car. it’s my experience that the mileage for gas only cars can be as low as 60% of the published numbers under adverse cold weather driving. Why not find out how the Prius or volt stack up against a standard Camry in winter conditions? I think you might be surprised….

  • Jeff Cobb

    Anonymous (presumably Old Grumpy(?) –

    I wrote a whole reply under the other Toyota article explaining it was a news brief focused on the salient point that in placing 5 out of 10, Toyota did something that reportedly hasn’t been done since 2003. This same newsworthy point was the subject of several other reports today. It was briefed news, not attempting to repeat CR’s report.

    Regarding this piece, I’ll re-post the last few paragraphs that explain a bit more about it –

    As for the repeat of the 11 miles all electric range in this story, I guess I could have left that out. For the past year I have written M-F about the Chevy Volt and related topics on GM-Volt.com (and still do write for it), so you can’t very well say I am biased against Chevrolet. In this case, I was attempting to balance that Plug-In Prius piece after saying how many more miles AER the Volt gets, and hoping no one would think I had intentions to bash the Toyota. I was mindful that the Volt does triple PIP’s (blended) electric range (AER=6 on sticker), qualifies for triple the federal tax credit reducing their price discrepancy by up to $5k, and net cost difference is not that great. Do you think I went too far, and actually sounded biased for Toyota?

    See how misconceptions can arise? It’s impossible to be pleasing to everyone, but I do what I can. It is based on principles and considerations I have to make that may not always be apparent.

    The good news is this site will be getting better in a number of ways, so thanks for reading and your benefit of the doubt if needed.

  • Jeff Cobb

    @Mark- Thanks. Will look into it.

  • Mick P

    I have a prius plug in ordered that was built this past Sunday in Japan and should be at the dealership in early April. I would not consider myself an envior freak. I did however figure out 40 years ago that while changing my own oil a catch pan makes sense instead of draining it into the ground. I like the idea of moving in the direction of making oil for transportation obsolete. I am excited about my new pip. I drove the Volt and the Leaf. The back seat in the Volt had no adjustment and no head room. The battery seems to take up so much room in the car it’s like having a couple of dead bodies around you. My one way commute is 63 miles so the Leaf with it’s battery range fall off over the years is a little scary. I currently have a 2005 prius with 190k miles on it. Other than tires & oil changes it has been flawless as far as realibility goes. I have never owned a car that still seems as rock solid after so many miles as this one. Despite being a gear head at heart, transportation is going in this direction whether we like it or not. I like Toyota’s approach, improve overall efficency by 25% and gain overall range.
    It is a great interim plan.

    Mick P

  • Chuck in NJ……

    To all who have NOT OWNED a Prius 2010 Liftback…..okay lets all be VERY FAIR and open minded….I have driven 4 toyota Hybrids over the last 12 years…..I have always been a FORD fan previously and MUST tell all that…..ALL of the estimates that have been presented by car manufacturers over the years have for the MOST PART been misleading….especially with FORD. On the other hand TOYOTA has pretty much been much closer with there quoted Estimates thus far with the vehicles I have driven…..AGAIN ALL Hybrids….highlander/Rx 400/currently the Prius 5…..You must drive gingerly to achieve the estimates they quote….its like almost anything else we ALL have came across in our daily lives…..you never know what really is true UNLESS you experienced it yourselves AND have been in that situation…..I have driven the Prius at an average speed of about 57 Miles/hour and even sometimes gone as far as 62 Miles/hour and yes you need to slowly accelerate to achieve the BEST MPG that the car is capable of delivering…..with these examples in mind please accept these truths……Hybrid/Electrics have proven themselves to do what they say they can…..I have gotten at the least an average of 56 miles/per gallon in the warmer months….this is NJ you must remember…..when the winter temps are around then it drops to about 48 or a bit higher…..in the Spring its about 52 miles/ per gallon…I document all of my refills as I put it….Ii have topped off my tank always and have achieved 660 miles on a tankful in the colder months and 724 miles in the warmer months……this should clear up misconceptions and untruths…..the car is a much more thought out and tested vehicle and if you drive smart you will achieve higher fuel economy and save the environment…..Toyota must be doing something correct because just think of how many Prius owners are out there who have been getting at the least 44 miles/gallon….if they slow it down as I and drive GINGERLY they will be amazed at the differance economy wise…..okay to the next point….I have ordered a PHV from the online Toyota site as of March of 2011…and have been on the list for that long….my vehicle will be in very soon to my dealer of choice…..in NJ…..Ii am SURE and CONFIDENT thatt if I drive my PHV…..the same exact vehicle Xcept for the weight increase and new refinements due to weight control that my figures will be around 56 and better on the Hybrid side and 95 plus on the all electric side….the liftback has not been changed in any way Xcept the added Liion batt. and the charger….same car exactly if you check them out online specification wise….Toyota has made up for much of the weight increase via refienements to the materials used in the PHV….believe me I am only sharing what Ii have read and seen TRUE for the last year in following the progress of the PHV…..it is what it is if you have driven a liftback as I have since early 2010….95 plus is what you can expect if you choose a Plug In….i will trust the estimates because as I shared I have been there and done that ….it was a good xperience to be told the TRUTH for once …..the quoted figures were there ….and remember that cold temps will bring those figures down as well as the use of the cars heating system….I turn it on low and also wear heated clothing to allow better mileage as I have shared above…to get heat the engine must cycle but you can limit that with using the system LESS as You drive…..as well as the a/c …..overall its 56 always and in less warmer climates 48 overall….prettytoughto argue with truths Ha….! Toyota thanks is all I can say…..Chuck in NJ…..

  • Volt Owner

    I have a 2012 Volt, and do nearly 40mi round-trip daily to work. And it AIN’T at 62. I use cruise-control on I-75 at about 72-73mph, and use about 5.5KwHr to get to work (22mi), and use about 4.8KwHr(17mi, at night) to get home (different route,faster at night and slightly less distance).

    11mi? OK, let’s hyper-mile to say 13mi?
    I’m still burning gas at that point, at $4/g right now, $5-6 in the not-so-distant-future.

    My Volt? I can squeeze 42-46mi in EV mode, and I’m not priusing at 62mph all the way in the right lane!

    And…the best thing… my Volt is not HIDEOUSLY ugly in the back…

  • MR ADRIAN DWIGHT SWABY

    RC LED LUCY LIU
    DR SWIFT
    SURANNE JONES

  • Mick p

    Mr volt owner,

    I thought about the volt at first but that monster battery mounted so high in the chassis, taking up so much room inside the cabin making it so impractical for so many consummers needs just didnt do it for me. Almost no room behind the drivers seat and hardly any trunk room is what is hurting the demand for the car. most people that want a $45,000 2 seater will buy a Vette or a 370Z. You mentioned running on electricity for 42 miles on the volt verses 11 miles on the Prius. What you didn’t talk about was the miserable efficiency of the volt gas engine at 35mpg vs the 50mpg of the Prius after the electricity is gone. I understand the weight difference in the cars but we need to look at OVERALL efficiency here. I think in real world driving the Prius Plugin is going to be the champ not only in sales, afforability, reliability, and practicality but also in simplicity of use. That big volt battery will soon if not already be obsolete then Chevrolet will have to redesign that whole car for the new smaller and lighter batteries required to get the room insider that is so desparately needed. It was a great initial idea but poorly thought out for long range planning by GM. I hope the tax payers don’t have to pay for volt 2.0.

  • Dan5

    11 miles? They can do better than that. Here’s the biggest issue with this plug in Prius. A few years ago a company named Hymotion made a conversion system for the Prius that got a range for 30-40 miles and sold for around 10,000.

    Currently a plug in Prius with a range of 11 miles is selling for about the same amount as a base Prius + the Hymotion system

    Secondly, 11 miles is pretty pathetic. If my daily commute was 11 miles, I’d buy a bike for the good days and get a nice used car for the bad days.
    I think they really screwed up- the target audience just isn’t there

  • Chuck in NJ……

    We all must not argue with TRUE FACTS…..Hybrids are the way to go in most cases….practical/worthy of the envir onment/dependability/pleasing to the pocket……..ok again we cannot argue with true facts…the Prius with the ugly back has been around for 10 plus years and is still selling STRONG and is now proving itself even again with its FAMILY OF HYBRIDS….Toyota news page just rescently reported sales up almost 60% on all of its hybrid vehicles which includes the Plug in or its also called the PHV….its so amazing that a car that started as the Ugly Prius….oh and btw the Prius has the BEST OVERALL nation wide coeffecient of drag because of its ugly rear end….this car has to be looked at for what it represents….a thought out/carefully executed future vehicle which has proven its technology over time starting at 2001 and still is going strong with its minor changes on the exterior because it has been treated as such ….carefully thought out gas sipping/comfortable/eco conscious and the list goes on even further….the plug in will make its proven technology as well as the original now called Prius Liftback did….with no problem…people who can charge more will be the market for the PHV..its more prevalent than most of us can imagine….remember the PHV is just a Prius or now called the LIFTBACK with its own charging capability and extended electric range….the Hybrid Synergy Drive has made its way with years of Technology behind it and is now branching out into other Hybrid Vehicles ….one for each particular need to individuals seeking a quaility vehicle that stretches gas mileage to needs in categories that match each persons wants/needs for quality/dependable transportation….it has made my life more eco conscious as well as proven its need to the general public…it is there to utilize if we so desire Toyotas look is futuristic and carefully planned to our needs…..if we do not take advantage of this soon it will be forced upon us because we are killing the air we breath each day…its not all about how a form of transportation looks its how practical it is for us in the future and how our planet is changing due to our abuse……

  • Mick P

    I have a prius plug in ordered from Toyota. they sent me an e-mail that the car shipped on 2-27-2012. It is going to the port in New York. Does anyone think they know the name of the transport ship it might be on so I can track it’s progress?

  • Chuck in NJ……

    Hello Mick P…it seems as if we are on the same boat to PHV land….its so exciting to go from the Prius which is such a great gas sipper to the ultimate gas sipper the 95 plus will be outrageous….I averaged in warmer weather about 56 mpg driving gingerly as well…..just wanted you to know I have been told we shall be given notice soon about our vehicles…my dealer has said somewhere around early April our manufacture dates must have been the same since I was also notified on 2/27/12 …..I think the ship name shall be difficult to track…Toyota will let us know when it comes to port but the waiting is getting tough…since 3/2011 OMG….I have just stopped calling my dealer since they also have no way of knowing more than just the port date of arrival…..I can tell you this as well …I drive the NJ Tnpke. daily and have just seen two car carriers loaded with Prius 2012 liftbacks and as well my dealer has one Plug in for test driving and many 2012 liftbacks….Mick gotta say the new front facia changes in person are very nice …a minor change but a good one…its almost time to fill up once a month or less….hope you enjoy your PHV as much as I……Chuck……:)

  • Mick P

    Hello Chuck,

    I think our cars are on the New Century 1 ship. There are two ships named New Century 1. One is a cargo ship and the other is a car hauler built by Mitsubishi. If you type in the name you will be able to pull up the ships stats and location. The ship is tall and is blue and white. This morning I checked the track. The ship has already crossed the Pacific Ocean and is heading south along the California/Mexico coast heading for the Panama Canel. I feel confident that this is the ship that is carrying our PIPs. The timeline that Toyota and my dealler are projecting seem to run in tandem with the location currently of this ship. My wife thinks that I am a little obsessed about this car. I told her that that is an understatement. I almost bought a Leaf. I’m glad I waited. The PIP makes the most sense. Just like electronics, the batteries will only become more efficient and continue to be small. Who knows, maybe in three years we can pull the battery out and trade it in for one that goes 500 miles on a charge. As for the volt, maybe it will be on display along side of the Edsel as an example of a great idea that just didn’t catch on. I believe Chevy can make it happen but they need to go back to the drawing board and take what they have learned and start over. I think people want the function and room in their cars to be a little more thought out than that. It seems as if everyone is fighting to catch up to Toyota concerning these high MPG cars. I hope our cars are built as well as my 2005 Prius.

    See ya,
    Mick P

  • Chuck in NJ……

    Hey again Mick….so you found a lot of info. out ….great….hope you are ready to start getting that charging station in use…..mine still awaits the coming of the new marvel car……and yes Mick we are a bit too into these PHV vehicles….techy guys I guess….All I can share is going from 3 other Toyota hybrids into the 2010 Prius 5….27 mpg highlander….32 mpg Rx 400h….and to the current Prius 5….56 mpg….and drum roll please…..95 mpge….UNREAL…how can we relax after waiting since March 2011…..my only question is will we go more than 95….I think so because if it is exactly the same Hybrid Synergy Drive…weight a bit up due to batterie size increase…..if you drive gingerly for the most part as you can see from not using the heating too excessively and easy on the A/C u can get better mileage…..I even use my heated jacket and glove liners as to reduce the engine run time during warm up…..being garage kept also helps in the winter…..some sharing with you thats all….I do hear also that when plugged in to the grid the plug in offers a/c remote and I am hoping the heater shall also work the same as to warm or cool the cabin off the grid while charging….heads up is very cool….had it in my Rx lexus hybrid…..so have you heard and new info my techy new online buddy…..lets try to share our Xperiences with our marvel vehicles if you would want…? oh btw…my wife also thinks I am obsessive compulsive being a speech/language pathologist…LOL….lets share again b4 the arrival of our 3100 pound new children arrive….shall we…? Chuck in NJ…….:)

  • Mick P

    Hello Chuck N J

    I have a friend that just took delivery of his Leaf. I think I will challenge him to an EV only endurance race of 500 miles in a straight line with a rubber chicken as the trophy. If we have access to 110v most of the time I think the Prius will win. I haven’t actually done the total math but 75 miles on a charge then 24 hours of charging time for the Leaf verses 7-3hr charges at 11 miles on a charge for the Prius equals 77 miles on the total charges; Hey “We Win”. I can then really tick him off as I drive back home non stop waving that chicken trophy wildly out the window. I guess I need to get a life.

    Having fun being bored waiting
    Mick P

  • Mick P

    Hey Chuck NJ

    Thought you might want to know that the New Century 1 ship containing our pips is about a 1/2 hour away from entering the Panama Canal. I haven’t decided if I am going to drive my pip down from Virginia to Florida or if I will just truck it. I will probably drive it as a long road trip will probably be the best way to break in the ice. Otherwise it could take years to put a few thousand miles on the gas engine. It is humid here in Florida so it will be interesting to find out what Toyota engineers recommend for frequency of oil changes. I am a little concerned with condensation building up in the engine crankcase over time as most of my trips will be around 10-15 miles.
    We should have our cars within 3 weeks. Go Toyota!!!

  • Chuck P.

    Thanks Mark I appreciate that ….how are you so informed about the ship transportation…? Unreal ….I must tell you we are both obsessive…but you know life is short so its fine…did you know thatthe baby Prius has already OUTSOLD the Volt and the Leaf….within the first 3 days …..as you shared GO TOYOTA….remember this all started in 2001 at 44 mpg….Prius Liftback as know they are called….Prius C may outsell the original due to Toyota’s savy idea of the family….it is priced right…since MOST consumers want to buy ANY vehicle just around 20K…..at 53 mpg….I will bet that it does just pass other vehicles by very rapidly……and since the gas is on the rise it also was released at the perfect time…..ALL my accessories that I removed from my 2010 Prius are sitting here and at my dealer for reinstallation to the PHV…..I like the works in my vehicles…..thanks again for the info…..Chuck P. NJ….:)

  • Chuck P.

    Thanks Mark I appreciate that ….how are you so informed about the ship transportation…? Unreal ….I must tell you we are both obsessive…but you know life is short so its fine…did you know thatthe baby Prius has already OUTSOLD the Volt and the Leaf….within the first 3 days …..as you shared GO TOYOTA….remember this all started in 2001 at 44 mpg….Prius Liftback as know they are called….Prius C may outsell the original due to Toyota’s savy idea of the family….it is priced right…since MOST consumers want to buy ANY vehicle just around 20K…..at 53 mpg….I will bet that it does just pass other vehicles by very rapidly……and since the gas is on the rise it also was released at the perfect time…..ALL my accessories that I removed from my 2010 Prius are sitting here and at my dealer for reinstallation to the PHV…..I like the works in my vehicles…..thanks again for the info…..Chuck P. NJ….:)

  • Mick P

    Hello Chuck NJ,

    You can almost touch it. The New Century 1 has left the port in Jacksonville, Florida and is heading for Newark NJ with an ETA of 3/26/2012/20:00., thats tomorow. Watch, the ramp will give way and ours will end up in the water. God forbid. I am thinking Friday of this week for you or next week at the latest for your dealer delivery. Mine is going to Virginia so I’m probably a few days behind that. Huffington Post reported this morning that gas prices could reach $8.00 per gal if the straits of Hormuz is shut down
    over the mideast tensions. If that happens we will look pretty smart and Leaf owners like geniuses.
    Go us!!!

    Mick P

  • Chuck in NJ……

    Oh my God Mick…..I cannot thank u enough….for the good news….get your quick charger ready…..I also wish you all the luck with the PHV…..r u trading the Prius for the PHV…..I am trading my 2010 Liftback …thank god for good trade value in this case…..its now time to get 95 plus and still save the air we breath…..I really do think that the Prius C and the PHV shall sell well also they claim already 8k plus for the V sales thus far,….no mention of the on line sales for the PHV yet if you hear anything on that do tell please….I hope the PHV can outdo the sales of the Leaf as well as the Volt….I think as you that the Volt was a poor intro. to the public….not carefully considered at all as to what the public would think…it was hard for the Prius to catch on BUT it came after the first year and has held steady and sold more than they ever expected….look at the C sales unreal what pace it has picked up…..next we need to hear that the PHV has been more accepted than the the ALL ELECTRIC challengers…I am hoping to hear good news on sales……thanks so much Mick….lets stay connected as we are the first to get the best choice in the Electrification of transportation…so glad we agree on this technology and lets enjoy our choice for the wait has been a long one……:) Chuck in NJ…..hey at least you do not have to worry about the winter drop in gas mileage and battery reaction to that…..that is why I purchased heated gloves and a liner jacket that is heated….the engine runs much less if you do not push the heating and or the air conditioner to there maximum….I guess the Air Conditioner makes up for part of the heater use in your warmer climate.? Glad to have connected on here with you……

  • Mick P

    Hey Chuck NJ,

    Guess what? I just received an e-mail from Toyota that my PIP is on it’s way to my Virginia dealer. The ship just arrived at Newark/New York port at 8:00 pm on the the 26th. Mine must have been one of the first ones off the boat and onto the hauler. That’s pretty amazing when you realize that the ship holds 6000 cars. I have a two port 240 volt Coloumb commercial charger at my business. The only thing that beats my PIP in efficiency is my Alliegiant one way non stop flight covering 758 miles for $48.00 bucks to pick it up . I am trying to book it this morning but am waiting to hear more from the dealer. I am excited to say the least. My wife is glad too cause now I can focus on more important things she says. I’m thinking yeah dozens of little road trips around Orlando with it’s 270 public charging stations. Lunch hear, Lunch there, no problem it’s on the oil companies. Sounds like a lot of charging stations but there are already 50 Chevy Volts and 20 Nissan Leafs in Orlando. Guess I better take advantage of the stations before they get real busy. The first of the new kid on the block is coming to town. Happy gliding.

    Buddy Mick

  • Chuck in NJ……

    Mick Just received the email as well in NJ…..its finally close….man u have a lot of stations in Fla. unreal….its just my 240 in my garage as well as 120 for any solar that I can pick up….I have a portable 6 panel Solar gen. my garage do not have great sun exposure but i pick up whatever generates and use it for my refrig./washer/dryer..it helps about 40 %…..i am hoping the car can charge fully from the gen. as well….we shall see….either way we can get around much cheaper very soon Mick….di u go for the reg. or advanced…just curious….? Gadget guy here so i went for the 39K…plus my 22K trade loan was pretty low/monthly….dealer will call soon I am hoping….I also added the PLUS Package dealer installed lowering kit/sway bar/plus wheels… and ground effects kit all that are available for the now called lift back can be used on the PHV as well….I went for broke…..it should sport it up very well…check it out under the 3rd.gen. Prius on the toyota site…under Options/accessories..Prius 5

  • Mick P

    Hello Chuick NJ,

    I purchased the regular base model w/ two options/ wheel locks and rear bumper clear plastic protection. I just couldn’t quite justify in my mind the price difference as I might buy a second pip. I am so dumb, I should have ordered my car with the clear plastic protection for the front and hood. My Orlando dealer wants $695.00 to put it on the car now. Oh!!!! I Forgot!!!! “I have it” Yipee. The dealer called me late Thursday on the 29th and e-mailed me a picture of the car on the hauler. I was going to wait until April 10th after a closing on a piece of property I am selling to go up and pick up the car. Yeah! LIKE THAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. I booked a flight same day my sales person called me for Sat morning on the 31st ($42.00 Allegiant Air). I Flew up to Newport News, Va. and Brenda Robertson, my sales person picked me up at the airport at 9:00 am and I was in my PIP by 11:00am on my way back to Orlando Florida. The ev range doesn’t help that much on a 800 mile trip but the car averaged 72 mpg for the first 100 miles driving 65mph. I thought to myself “Your never going to get home playing around like this so I cranked it up to 78mph for the rest of the trip. The overall trip average was 53 mpg. It doesn’t sound that great but I was driving over 75mph most of the way. I drove almost all night. Your probably thinking “What an idiot, why didn’t he just have it transported to Florida”? I began to think, if I am running around on electricity only how am I going to break in the gas engine? “ROAD TRIP”. As much as I hated paying $33.00 for the one fill up that I had on the trip, there is still nothing out there that will come close to that kind of mileage driving those speeds. In full zombie mode with no sleep I have been running here and there with little charges and have driven around fifty miles around town and am averaging 240mpg so far using no gas. Gotta get some sleep, hope yours comes soon.

    See ya,
    Mick P

  • Chuck P.

    Mick….got the car ….its UNREAL the ride has been improved quite much…..same here averaging 120 or more at certain times….hey man also need not worry about the engine….Toyota already thought about that….the manual is clear about the engine running at brief moments when u r in EV/HD mode the ICE will run for reasons such as engine warm up even in warm climates you shall notice the ICE will NOT allow the EV to kick in for the first tenths of miles until a certain temp is reached as to break down the viscosity of the oil…Toyota is on the ball with the smallest things…thats so cool …..i have noticed they changed the indicators as to make easier to read….great as well…electronic gas release….softex seats…better than the old leather…cooler on the back/butt….2 stage heated seats….electronic drivers 8 way seat…..HUD display…..is so cool…..I love the gadgets big time….blue accent LED headlights…..I am so thrilled with the upgrades…..very much like a higher end vehicle….hope you and I get 100 plus….will keep u posted ..so far it seems we will do well….filled the tank topped it off…..I added 2 gal more after the filler neck clicks off the gas pumps….it works well try it….fill it up…. add 2 gals..to the tank…I have gone 724 in the warmer weather as well also in cold weather NE…..around 630 miles till empty…..after that little indicator starts to flash you can go 100 plus in warmer weather …..amazing though…..hope we fill up every other MONTH…..? Chucki in NJ

  • Mick P

    Hey Chuck,

    My wife thinks I am really nuts now. My dealer in Virginia called me to inform me that Toyota is building extra pips in addition to the origional east coast launch plan. They are taking dealer orders for pips in Maryland and Virginia for this month of April. Think they are trying to bring both sides of the political clownery to the table and say “Just check this car out “? “Drive it for a week and tell us if you think it is a game changer”. Free enterpise, competing, working hard, thinking wise, building a better car, listening to their customers, no handout bailouts, and minimal tax incentives, Toyota learned from us way back when on how to be successful at running their company, in short Capitalism works and makes sense and is the best way for all of us; DEMOCRATS!!! The move toward the electrification of the automobile is really happening and makes sense, stop belittleing it; REPUBLICANS!!! My wife thinks I am nuts because I am seriously considering ordering another pip. The base model is suprisingly loaded. It is more like a Prius 111 or 1V. My 2005 is still running great, no problems, but I am seriously thinking of selling it and ordering another pip. 05s are selling for between $7 and $8K with under 200K miles because gas is so high here in Florida. That means that if I sell my 05 for 7K it has cost me nothing to own it factoring in the gas savings over the 18mpg PT Cruiser that we used to have. That’s how I am fighting the war on terror. “Starve them out over there until they can learn how to behave”. I am currently getting 256mpg for the last 170 miles driving around town taking advantage of all the free charging stations here in Orlando. Talk to you soon.

    Mick P

  • Chuck P.

    Mick…sounds like u can literally plug in whenever you wish down there…..I have only used my quick charge late at night and also at a few of my work places been able to plug in also…..it has been since April 2 that i have been using the the wonder vehicle as I call them PHEV’s……so far I have used the Hybrid end on the highway mostly and switched to All Electric after the traction batt. was showing 5/6 then back to Hybrid to charge me up again…like the fact that each time we end a journey the gauges tell us the accomplished data…its so cool…..to this point I have 2 out of 10 bars left on my gas indicator….thus far have reached 98 mpg overall average unreal man unreal….Toyota has proved itself again….and to this point i have not babied the accelerator like I did to reach 56 mpg on my 2010 liftback….on trade I did well at the dealer 22K for the trade unreal again…..I love all my gadgets and new gauges as well….I switched the wheels from my 2010 to the 2012…..like the 17 inch wheels much better so kept them and swapped from car to car….the Ecopia roll resistance EP422 tires 17′s give you 2 gallons more saved each month….greatly improved from the original Turanza …both Bridgestone tires btw….how do you think you shall do longevity wise on how often you will fill the tank….with all the free charge stations you may never need to fill up more than once monthly I bet or less……thats the only problem in NJ/NY area we have very few charge stations Xcept for the dealers literally and my own at home……if i get 100 plus I am happy…..so far I have 800 plus on the odometer with 2 bars to go plus the xtra 2 gals I add after the pump clicks off hoping for 1000 plus unreal Mick……lets keep the communication fresh so we can brag to others and ourselves…..its worth the Xtra btw for the Advanced to me ….Mr. Gadget Guy…LOL…good luck charging……keep that PHEV sparkling….glad its summer here….gotta say though I miss my sunroof…….but the switch is worth every penny we save on gas…..:)

  • Mick P

    Hey Chuck,

    I am glad you are enjoying your PIP. I am too. I parked at a AAA location with a Coulomb charging station near downtown Orlando and watched from a Moe’s mexican restaurant nearby as this one guy was checking out my ride. He went crazy. He ran into the AAA and asked who the car belonged to. He then ran back out and stood there just looking at it for about 15 minutes before he finally left. It is so funny because it is just a Prius. I went by 2 Toyota dealers and all the salesman came out to see it. I am sure that I have the only one in Orlando to date. Since I have been back from Virginia I have put almost 1300 miles in combination driving with six 120 mile round trips to the beach and back. Since the condo association will not let me put in a charging station in my parking place at the beach I can only charge one way. That being said I have still managed 74 mpg overall just driving normal and not hypermiling.
    I finally come to my senses and decided to wait on the second PIP. I imagine Toyota engineers will continue to tweak the lith ion battery until they surpase the Volts 35miles ev. That will probably take 3 to 4 years. By then the new batteries will begin to take over hybrid cars in transition to all EV cars. I have a friend that is in charge of Leaf sales at a local Nissan dealer. He said that when the Symnrna Tenn. plant opens in December the inside word is that the next gen Leafs will charge in half the time and come with it’s next generation battery that will have almost double the range as the current Leaf.

    Really cool
    Mick

  • Van

    Thanks Mick P, your post about the PIP and your inside scoop on what the Smyrna plant are really, really cool.

  • Mick P

    Your welcome Van,

    It is exciting to see these car companies compete against each other for hybrid and ev supremacy.
    I am really partial toward Toyotas approach but you have to appreciate the gutsy move of Carlos Goshen at Nissan moving all his chips to the middle of the table. He wouldn’t do that if he wsn’t reasonably sure they can get there with the technology.

    Mick P

  • Chuck in NJ……

    Hey Mick…..guess the next report is pretty positive…..I reached 1200 miles before filling up ……thats topping off with the 2 gal. added after the pump kicked off station wise…..averaged with HV/EV pretty much more HV combo driving since I do a fair amount of highway plus local…..NJ is not too EV friendly yet…..I charge after each run and wondered IF YOU FOUND THIS same result…..when I first started the regular charging the miles were around 13.1 full charge whether it was 110 or 220…..as the first month passes I see that miles number to 13.5….13.7…..13.8…..13.9 and now its at 14.3…..the range has been increasing with each every other charge……so maybe I can reach that 15 they originally TOYOTA THAT IS had promised…..hope so….. have you found this true….I have been more combo HV driving since we must admit that the batteries do not last on the highway at 55 or 60…..so HV is fine by me as long as I can reach that 100 mark which I have…..if we were ABLE to charge ALL THE time Mitch we would never need regular old gasoline…..also FYI….I run my tank to the empty mark purposely as I also did with my 2010 Liftback and carry that 2 gal. i mentioned when the DTE starts flashing….you DO HAVE with my proof 1.6 gal LEFT upon the flashing indicator so its safe to run to EMPTY almost 190 miles SAFELY with the PHEV …..the Liftback was about 130 miles after the indicator began flashing……the point is though that I completely ran dry the first tankful on purpose and it is NOT MENTIONED in the manual BUT when the gas runs DRY you will start to notice that the DTE or distance to empty will reflect the actual EV range left each time you restart the PHEV….I notice this because as I was cruising thinking the HV mode was still running in reality the EV range was being reflected in the DTE monitoring flashing gauge…..so when the gas is depleted the Vehicle reverts to ALL EV range…..of course make sure you have enough EV batttery left to get you to a station or be weird as I and carry 2gal. with you at the end of each tankful…..it works though Mick….so you can get with 11 gal up to 1200 each tankful for SURE….its so great to go so far on so LITTLE…..11 gal. for 1200 miles…..I WANT to reach 115 mpg…..think I can if I use the ECO range more…..when fall hits here I will hate loosing the 100 plus Mick……batteries will be less ECO WISE I am sure…..so share my friend if you wish….HEY MICK if I ever get too much tell me I will back reply wise…..hope we continue finding out hidden plus’s with our small fortunes…..! Chuck…..

  • Mick P

    Hey Chuck;
    Thanks for all the experimental research results. I am still experimenting with the unlimited ways to drive this car to maximize effieciency myself. I am not doing as well as you on charging range miles. My car always varies between 11.7 and 14.6 on range after charge. I think these numbers will continue based on a number of variables. First, you have an advanced model and mine is the base model. The electrical draw in your car is probably less due to the led headlights and upgraded more efficient sound system. There other variables between the two models as well as each car is slightly different. When my PIP is off and charging there are all kinds of sounds periodically coming from the car. I assume these are charge management devices. I have also noticed the heat here in Florida seems to decrease how much the charge range will ramp up to. I also noticed this “Little Flying Saucer” sound when I am slowly coming forward into the garage until I come to a stop then it goes away. Are you experiencing the same thing. I guess that is what they came up with to warn people it is coming. I am a little suprised that there are not more press reports and current road tests on this car. Other than the blogs there is not much current out there about the car. I wonder if some after market company will come out with an extra battery to go in the back to increase range. Seeing how well the car does in ev mode on the gauges makes you not want to take the car on a road trip because it drops the mileage bragging rights down so much. What I have done is stay on the B trip mode and reset after a fillup (as rarely as that is). The A trip mode I am not reseting to get an idea of long term average combination driving mileage. Currently in B trip mode I am getting 187 mpg after 300 miles and 90 mpg on A trip mode after 1380 miles of combination driving. I ran the battery out and took a 125 mile beach and back trip with no charge and still averaged over 60 mpg in eco mode. Any way you slice it the car excells across the board. see ya.

  • Danny

    I still am confused. Why is their a mpg figure on an electric car? An electric car should get ZERO gallons PER MILE. It doesn’t use ANY gas for the mileage it is driving on battery – unless a batter is under constant charge and then yes, you should measure the amount of gas the generator is using to get mileage. If there is a hybrid automobile, doesn’t that mean it gets a set miles without gasoline, and then a set mpg for mileage after the batteries go down? It doesn’t make sense to give that vehicle a specific mpg figure, for anything over the battery driven mileage. Let see: I buy one of these lousy cars that gets11 whole miles on battery, and then drive another 30 miles on gasoline. Ladies and gentlemen, that is 41 miles on my auto. What is the mipg? Assume the car gets 30 miles per each gallon used, so I have gotten the 41 miles on the gallon. But – I drive the first 11 miles on battery, then drive 90 more miles. Now what is my so called mpg? It is NOT 41 mpg as advertised. It is 11 miles plus 90 miles which equals 101 miles, on 3 gallons of gas, which equals 33.ls mpg (not 41). Make it a longer trip of 200 miles. giving us an actual 211 miles on our trip. Now our gallons used is 6.667 for the trip. See what is happening here? The more miles we put on the vehicle, after that initial 11 miles, is driving our miles per gallon down down down until it approaches that 30 miles per gallon for gasoline. IT NEVER GETS 41 MILES PER GALLON, but quickly approaches 30 mpg the longer the trip is.

    My question is: why in the world buy such a car, if you are going to exceed 11 miles (or maybe 15) on most of your trips? Its a much greater expense to purchase these automobiles, against a straight gasoline vehicle, and your true mileage certainly isn’t paying for it. I own a medium sized Dodge, which gets 28-32 miles per gallon, and costs me a heck lot less than one of these uppity technical prizes. My daily commute was fairly short for this part of the country, (26 miles one way). With an auto getting 11 miles on the batteries, that means I would still be buying gasoline for 41 miles. Even if I was able to plug in, at the work end, I could get only 22 miles on batteries, and would wind up paying for gas for 30 miles of travel, daily. Savings myself slightly more than the price of one gallon of gas, and for which I would have to pay almost double for the automobile. JUST AINT WORTH IT. Now, give us a car with 100 miles range on battery, and then things start to look better. 200 mile ranges would be much better, and 300 mile ranges (at the same cost for the car) and I will jump in and join the queue of customers. Meanwhile, manufactures,quit lying about mileage, and get on the ball and develop something that is worth buying.

  • Chuck in NJ……

    Danny…. u r making a mountain out of a mowhill…..u r correct BUT…..the PHEV…or pip prius plug in allows you to truely refill AFTER you actually drive with constant recharges after each trip…..at this point I have driven 1200 miles on a FULL TANK of gas …do the math ….the vehicle offers what it was made to give the driver …battery SIZE has nothing to do with it or what amount of miles you can obtain thru a single charge…..the Prius Plug In will give you a MPGe….it is an equivalent as if you were driving in ALL EV mode and combines remember that word COMBINES the 50 mpg HV mode Hybrid….with the all EV Electric mode….any way you view this the PHEV..plug in Electric vehicle uses out of 11 gal….maybe just an approx. figure of 109 MPGe….so you go 109 miles on a gallon of gasoline..its that simple…does that clear this up for you at all…? I also was having trouble comprehending this ….I owned a Prius 2010 which IN combined driving allowed me to drive 56 miles on a gallon of gasoline……this is Toyotas twist on the green way to drive……. its what they BELIEVE……..its OUR decision to go with what we work hard for and purchase what intrigues us as individual consumers……think of it like this…..each new electric vehicle has its OWN special purpose…..a smaller 4.4kw battery in the PHEV….prius vehicle allows you to drive an EXTENDED ALL ELECTRIC range of just about 15 miles of FREE driving as compared to what 4.00 gasoline can do…I drive a recharge from about 30% of my stops and can go on ALL ELECTRIC for 70% since I recharge AFTER EACH stop as well as overnight at home I use 1/2 of grid and 1/2 of generated SOLAR power out of EACH day…yes its complicated sounding BUT it works for ME…NOT FOR EVERYONE though and Toyota ALSO believes THAT each vehicles capacity has its own purpose…..there is the original liftaback Prius….56 mpg approx…….there is the Prius V….44 mpg approx……there is the Prius C for city…..53 combined approx…..there is the PHEV…..56 Hybrid mode and 95 PLUS combined EV and Hv Hybrid mode……you see what they have created here is variables that can work 4 differant goals in driving for EACH SPECIFIC need that we MAY WANT to use in alternative driving needs or purchase at our OWN discretion……so in MY scenario you can see it works very well….I drive 1200 miles in less than a month and get to fill up my tank every 25 days usually and save out of that 11 gals of gasoline using MAYBE 3 gallons of fuel verses 11 gallons for the usual gasoline vehicle….i also had a return of 2,500 on my taxes for this year since I was one the first out of many that preordered the PHEV on LINE only and waited for a year to receive the vehicle from Japan….I believe in Toyota technology and maybe you can somewhat understand why my interests lye in this type of technology…..its record and the Hybrid Synergy Drive is where this ALL began….its a great future and well ahead of other US technology……I would purchase US technology but as you can see my homework was done on the research that started in 2001 with Toyota…its just what WE want to do for the environment as well……hope you can see partially at the least where and why my interests were intrigued all these years……its up to each individual thats how simple it can be……..:)

  • Chuck in NJ……

    Hey Mark…still getting around 103 mpg…..keep in mind that we MUST charge after each run short or long…..this is one area anyone who purchases the PHEV MUST commit to I knew this b4 but without the religious plug in practice u will NOT GET the high mpg’s….one other observation is that i find what they say about the engine kicking in too much is false….if you drive a bit gingerly it will lessen this happening….as well as on the highway use the HV mode partly as it only decreases the mpg a bit since u drive more in EV it ha made up for my HV driving …I do about 45 % EV vs. the balance HV…still I used to average 56 mpg witVehiclh my 2010….this PHEV is about overall over 100 mpg….I AM PLEASED…..the negative Prius bashers are already writing the PHEV sucks…..well for a few it will MAKE SENSE as Toyota has not mislead us…..anyone who drives a pattern that fits they way this car was thought out and what its capabilities were will see it positive for long hauls and less charging capabilities it will NOT WORK….i have non charging station anxiety…LOL….pluging is is very scarce in NJ/NY area….my stops allow me to 120 charge so it works 4 me and fullcharge 2x daily at home……also the noise you hear is very much the noise maker or Vehicle Proximity Notification System is there fancy terminology for it….under Safety items for the PHEV….usually 15 mph and less you will hear it more…..keep on in touch please to compare notes….Chuck

  • Mick P

    Hello Chuck & Danny,
    There are over one million of these Prius owners in the US Danny. I know that you are trying to make sense of why this is the case. Chuck is like a catch and release fisherman. He likes the technological advances and can probably afford to invest into the progression to evs because he is in to it. I am very practical and laugh at people who say that these cars won’t pay for themselves. It seems like it is always the people who have not owned one long term. My new PIP sits next to my 2005 Prius with over 193,000 miles on it with the origional brakes. With the exception of gas, tires and oil changes I have spent less than $550.00 on the car. It is at minimum half it’s useful life and it drives no different than when new. Anything can get old and break down and be towed to the junk yard but these cars are hardly ever among them. I sometimes talk to Toyota service writers to get a feel for how long my 05 will last and they tell me stories of customers with 500k to 650k on theirs with no problems. If you drive a lot and are willing to hang on to it it will double pay for itself. If you trade every 2-6 years nothing will pay for itself. Think about it Danny. Run the numbers. My PIP has averaged 95mpg in the last 2,000 miles of combination driving. If I keep it it will pay for itself.

    Mick P

  • Chuck P.

    mICK ….bravo MY Phev pal…….yes yes yes THE pLUG IN HAS BEEN TRUELY REMARKABLE THUS FAR……AND DANNY Mick is right into the area that I say has very good judgement when practicality counts…..u can put a milespergallon on these remarkable TOYOTA PHEV’s as I shared earlier I can fill up my tank…… topping it off with the 2 gallons that fit after the gas pump kicks off…… and DRIVE mostly 40 % EV range and the other is left to the original Prius Hybrid mode…..if you new Danny the feeling that you get when you KNOW that Toyota is looking out for its followers you can then UNDERSTAND where we are at and coming from…that is Mick and Chuck (I)……so i drive in the ultimate car as I call it now ……..and can do a MINIMUM of 1200 miles and divide that by 11…..a full tank …that is 109 MPGe……is that impressive DANNY or what…..the car saves you this margin as I SEE IT and Mick backs that up very WELL……as the indicator and MY calculations go…..out off 11 gals. approx. of regular gas not premium ……you can save 8 OR 9 gals to the charge portion of that ONE MONTH of driving….and you fill up MONTHLY Danny…..I used to fill up every 14 days with my Prius 2010 model 5…..and before that every 7 days with my Highlander Hybrid …..and before that every 4 days with my Ford Explorer V6 engine….you see where I am coming from Danny….MICK knows already as I….he is CORRECT you need to drive a Prius and see what the vehicle can deliver….its amazing and guess what Toyota’s still selling their little wonder still and the percentage is going up instead of down…..15 % more prius variables have been sold just in March/2012…..the word is WOW…….I am impressed to say the least with the 40K I spent and look forward to my tax return credit for this year of 2,500…..the electric car is not my cupoftea….it NEVER will be for me I like being able to push the EV/HV button going up inclines and if POWER IS needed and to save the 15 miles of electric charge and in turn leaving it in EV on flat or highway driving….it is a great combination of wonders believe me…..its exciting that I can plug in when finished with each drive…… and save the air we share….. as well and also the anxiety is NOT there anymore in worrying about the amount of charge left…..I can always go back to 50 mpg hybrid driving or in my case 56 hybrid is what I was averaging with my 2010 prii 5…..its all good once you drive one believe Mick and I….try it you will be amazed…….Bravo Toyota…….Chuck in NJ…..

  • Mick p

    Hello Chuck,
    How is it going? My pip is performing flawlessly above expectations. It is easy to become spoiled with the close to 100 mpg in combination driving. If I wanted to hang within 15 miles of the house or work I would get 1000mpg. I now have 3,900 miles on the car with an overall average of 81mpg which includes combination short trips, several 120 mile trips and the trip from the dealership in New Port News Va. to Orlando, Florida (around 890 miles) which I was not able to plug in. I am continueing to learn how to drive this car more efficiently. Since the one long trip from Virginia. I am averaging 94mpg overall and plan to have that over 100mpg within a couple of months as I become familiar with charging station locations here in Orlando. A couple of days ago I saw that in April the pip was the 3rd best selling car in the U.S. Just wait until the national launch next year. I am glad we have ours. I have a feeling that they will be in short supply. In a couple of months I plan on experimenting by running the charge out and seeing just how well the Hybrid/ battery performs compared to the older Prius. Based on what I think I am seeing I expect an additional 5 to 10 mpg improvement over the older Prius. It is just hard to want to give up the mileage for the experiment Ha! Ha!. Keep me posted on how yours is doing.

    Mick P

  • Chuck in NJ……

    Mick P…..thats great news wondered how many PHEV’s they were selling thus far…..so what article was this that you read…I am very curious….well the good news IS my accounts have let me charge out of 5 stops ONE FULL CHARGE an evening…..I am self employed and deduct the KWH’s used each day as a credit back…..its amazing how much cheaper the KWH’s are…..ONE FULL CHARGE 4.4KWH is so cheap its unreal compared to 3.50 gal. gasoline……well I have been working on 106 per gal. mpeg…..this is how I give the PHEV its tests thus far……its is much better than your older Prius…..btw….my 2010 Prius 5 averaged just about 56 mpg…summer/spring as well as 46 mpg fall/winter so you should see a descent increase…..I have done daily trip charges as well as one charge in full using more HV than EV….must say they both do rather well in comparison if you get the MPGE say as I have done up to a goal …..say in this case or full tank ful…oh btw since I started driving the PHEV its gone about 2,400 miles the odometer that is…… averaging thus far 102/103 mpeg…..so my goal is 106 this time …..after reaching in EV/106 on the instrument eco monitor I then drive between HV and EV switching the drive range as the number goes up or down……then if the mpge drops from 106 to 105 I stay in EV again until the number goes up to 106 again…also a good practice is use the HV always for highways …..the Lith/Ion batts work well or best in your lower speeds best…..also if the road is flat switch to EV as well…..if Hilly switch to HV as well…..downhill ….COAST to get the regen. UP…also think the regen. on these later models works much better than the older models…..its been a pleasure playing the learning games on getting the best mpeg…..if you allow the EV to get close to the end of batt./charge left ……the vehicle goes down to .9 on the batt. charge indicator….. than the lines show up on the indicator counting down to .0 then the FULL HYBRID takes over until you charge up…..pretty cool….it gives you that distinction from no lines EV to the old Prius batt. lined Hybrid batt. indicator showing……well my testing continues with each day of going to work…btw….we have very few charging stations in NJ/NY metro area so its one time at my work place and the rest has been at home……but I must say the Hybrid end is truely what makes most consumers feel more confident with the Toyota vehicle since you CAN run out of juice and still NOT WORRY about waiting for another charge…..I think this will be the back breaker between a fully electyrified vehicle and a TRUE HYBRID decision when making the final decision…..I get anxiety when the batt.runs close to low but then if its 3.0 left charge I switch to Hybrid and it brings the charge back up a bit to get more distance…..thats the beauty here Mick…..this is the way to go I am convinced ……we made a good decision for this point in time…..btw….the 4th. generation will be a TOTAL change for the Prius in 2015….also the Toyota news site mentioned that they will be starting production in the US by 2015 as well…..so I have three years with this wonder vehicle….I usually keep a vehicle 3 years and thenstep up…its my only bad vice Mick…..an expensive one as well….I shall always have a small car loan to satisfy……so try what I suggested with the meters on the dash….I pay very close attention to the monitor…it helps in getting the most from the vehicle…take care ……Chuck

  • Mick P

    Hello Check,
    How’s it going? Still loving it. What a great car. My 2012 PIP has over 4,100 miles on it now. With the exception of the trip down from New Port News Va. to Orlando, Fla. the car has averaged 95mpg in combination short under 14mile and 120mile long trips. The 14 and under trips are practically no gas at all and the 120 mile trips with one charge are averaging about 74mpg for the 120 mile run. I found a little trick that you may also have found. You know the weather here in Florida is almost alway warm and requires A/C on, diminishing the range slightly. I have noticed that if you have only 1 mile of range left and you turn off the A/C, around .4 mile is added extending remaining range to 1.4 miles. It just might make the difference in getting to a plug for us fanatics bent on using as little gas as possible. I would imagine that A/C on or off accounts for the difference in initial range variance shown after a charge. Try this, after a full charge turn the A/C button off and on to see if the range shown changes.
    If you are beginning to use your A/C in NJ try turning it off right before the ice comes on to squeeze that extra .4 tens of a mile out. It won’t make any difference in your comfort. I finally had to spend money on my 05 Prius with 195k on it last week. I had to spend $725.00 on replacing the a/c evaporator. It is the first major repair on the car that has been done since new. I change my own oil using Mobil 1 5w-20 synthetic. This is becoming a personal battle with Prius nay sayers. My plan is to generate enough fuel savings, over a 20mpg car, to buy my next car in 5 to 7 years paying cash. The car averages 45 to 49mpg most all the time. My goal is 500k and if still running well, handing it down to a needy single mom or student. As boring as it is to drive the thing because of it’s pathetic predictable realibility it is otherwise fun to know that getting there and back with no problems is pretty much a given on any trip. Look forward to hearing from you.

    Sipping through a very small straw, Ha! Ha!
    Mick P

  • Chuck in NJ……

    Hey…..Mick….so how r u doing in Fla……Its just gotten over 3 days of 90 plus in the Newark area of NJ…..we r right there 1 mileaway…..I hate to brag to u but i just cannot shake this great mileage….yes I drive a bit gingerly for the most part…..u will not believe this but its just stuck at 110 mpeg…..its so cool …especially since i never would have xpected to reach more than the 95/50……well my 2010 was usually 48 to 56…..temp. always affects the running to get heat……i want to tell all the full battery 20 KWH plus heavy batteried and no back seat ALL ELECTRIC that You can still use Hybrid mode 40 % of the time since the electric stays on longer with the PHEV…..You really do not have to worry about the electric staying off the PHEV seems to favor why it was created to XTEND the ALL electric range….oh and btw….you are correct when i turn on the ac or even just the fan with the ac OFF the EV range left range drops ALWAYS by just about 2 miles left less …..so I try to use less ac if possible……my full charges eah time have gone to 14.9 with a full batterie charge on the indicator……why will it NOT go to 15 miles range is killing me….FANATIC….OCD here…LOL….I LOVE this car man…..still say toyota has got the best long and present idea……ALL these pure electrics are too heavy/the range is so falsified…..not that I am a no it all but I knew I would not be disappointed with this expensive endeavor or mine ….thats why i will never own a car outright…..gotta keep up with the trends…lol…..well tell me what you have sought out my Prius friend…..Chuck….oh its already time for my first free service….indicator says soon as of two days ago….almost to 5000……..

  • Mick P

    Hey Chucky,

    I was gone for a week to a Student Life Church camp with kids from our church. While I was gone my wife drove the pip all week. She could care less about mileage. She stomps it down, kicks on the ice and ignores the gauges. I was up to 98mpg for the last 4,500 miles with 3-120 mile round trips and local 30-mile a day round trips a month. When I came back Friday the pip was down to 96mpg for the last 4,700 miles. I know it is kind of silly but I enjoy rubbing it in to leaf and volt owners. Oh well, I still should have the car up to 110 mpg by the end of the year. The trip down from New Port news Va. to Florida put me behind the 8 ball from the start but how bad would that be for a volt owner? As far as a leaf goes you’d have to use amtrak auto train Ha! Ha! I just have a feeling that when these pips goes nationwide next year they are going to be in short supply. That should keep the value up. I had the 5000 mile service done, not much to it, rotate the tires and check the battery. The oil doesn’t change until 10K. Pretty amazing. The very worst mileage without any charge has been 49mpg, that’s without taking any care of the gas pedal. The car without any charge normally gets 58 to 63 mpg if I am reasonably careful with the gas. amazing stuff. keep me posted, Mick

  • Chuck in NJ……

    Hello Mick……my last update never was posted…2 weeks back…..so well I have seen one Plug iN on the road since our last update…..looks like from what i was told at the dealer where I ordered my PHEV…..that the sales have been sluggish, cannot believe they are SO TERRIBLE…but I guess sales are the truth……well since then I have thus far recorded in order my last few tankfuls…..started with 100 mpge…..then 106 mpge…..110 mpge…..116 mpge……currently working on 121 mpge……yes i have been averaging 57 mph on the highway and I keep a gentle touch as I did with the Prius 5 liftback….its great that I was already accustomed to not pushing the throttle…its not a big deal to me never really had a heavy foot ever as I drove my american Ford products earlier in my life……so is this to be believed…..again its just in the way we drive……seems as if with each refill that the amount of days gone by has also increased…currently up to about 24 days between each refill…used to fill up 14 days with each tankful with the 56 mpg achieved with the Prii 5 2010……okay the one thing that I read earlier about the options on the plug in was ……..it would have besides the Remote Climate which is great the ability to cool OR warm the cabin via as the vehicle was charging the capability of using the fact of the car cooling or heating as it was in the process of charging ie,…. meaning the batteries would only be used IF the car WAS NOT being charged so the plug in power would achieve warmimg and cooling and then the priority AFTER the vehicle temp. in the cabin was met the car would return to charging……just wondered if that was something u were familiar with…..? I know you really would not have the need to heat the cabin….LOL…but in the NE we must bear with the cold …….its great though as in cooling off with the apps on my smart phone….shows you the temp in the cabin as the car is plugged in it uses the power before the lith ion power is used…..u tell the car thru the phone to start cooling or end it….or the temp controls the mode of the 10 minute max the timer allows before turning off the a/c auto wise…..i had the vip alarm put in …works as the 2010 also had….exactly similar……wonder if the remote start will become an add on accessorie though….? just a few more new things to share with you prius buddie….hope all is well with the PHEV at your end…..keep on passing the gas stations my friend…..Chuck……:)

  • Mick P

    Hey Chuck,

    Sorry, it’s been awhile. So far so good. My wife will not let me drive the pip that much. The 05 Prius we have has become “old hat” so to speak plus it is looking a little ragged. I still love to drive it though as it drives the same now with 199,000 miles on it as it did the day I brought it home from the showroom. My wife is very diligent about keeping the pip plugged in though. After 6,700 miles on the car we are averaging 94mpg. Keep in mind that this is with her punching the ICE into action on a regular basis ARGGG! Despite that though still 94mpg. the more miles we put on the car the harder it will be to change that number. I reset my A trip counter as soon as I came back from Virginia and have not reset it since. I use it as a quick reference. If the other overall screen is used the car has averaged 87mpg overall including the 800 mile trip down from New Port News, Virginia. My Condo association still refuses to let me put in a level 2 charging station at the beach. I was plugging into the common area receptacle by my parking space but they sent me a violation notice and ordered me not to do it again.
    This is frustrating because I am trying to move there full time. Anyway I have no doubt we would be seeing your mpg numbers or higher if we weren’t making trips of 120 miles 2 to 3 times a month. I haven’t tried it yet but understand from a c-net pip road test that the GPS will not work when using the other apps. By the way your right, we don’t use the heater much here in Florida except when I sneak my wife’s seat heater on when she is not looking. I think it’s funny but she doesn’t. Funny what 38 years of marriage does to a person. Oh well gotta go. In the 60s and 70s we used to say “Keep on Truckn” now we are saying “Keep on Sippn”.

    Mick

  • Chet Seapy

    I own (lease) a 2012 Volt, not the HOV one. So far I am pretty happy with it. I have 7950 miles on it and the computer shows a life time fuel average of 238 mpg. I charge it at home at a fraction cost due to photovoltaic system. I drive 33 miles to work all electric, then plug in there. I get a full charge in 9 1/2 hours on 110 volt, then drive home all electric. I live in CA so the back east winters would probably cut down on the electric performance. When I am in a hurry, 80 mph, it switches to gas about the last mile to work. My drive to work is mostly up hill. Driving home, I take a level different route and can make it home all electric with 13 miles to spare on a charge.

    I bought the car in Feb 12 and have been to the gas station three times. I have taken a couple of day trips which cuts down on the over all MPG but it shows 238 MPG lifetime.

    When the lead starts flying in the middle east, I will be really glad I got this car.

  • Bill Lord

    Just leased a 2012 Prius Plugin. I am 1.5 miles from town so can do nearly four round trips from my house before the HV function kicks in.

    I am delighted with the 11ish EV miles per charge. I,like one of the other writers, charge through my 4,200 watts PV array.

    I think it depends on your driving needs as to which of the current EV/HV vehicles is appropriate. For me, my 166 mpg is just fine!

  • Mick P

    Chet

    238 mpg is fantastic. I almost bought the Volt but couldn’t live with the limited space in the back and 4 seats. I have a Coulomb charging station at my business and do have a few Volts come and charge from time to time. With my Prius Plugin I am going about 12 to 15 miles on a charge but the cumulative effect with the car getting well over 55 mpg after the battery charge is gone is the best fit for me. I occasionally take trips of over 1000 miles or more and the overall trip cost is much less than if I owned a Volt. It is exciting to track the direction of this fantastic technology. I do really believe that everything being built will eventually be all electric though in a dozen years or so. Here’s to the Plug.

    Mick P

  • Den Hare

    I am very disappointed with my Toyota Plug-in because 2 months ago and have 1400 miles on car. When I first charged it up with the 110 volt charger supplied with the car, I got 13.5 miles to use up before the car went off battery. Then on recharges, every two or three times when the battery recharged the usable mileage dropped by a 1/10 a point. I now have only 9.5 miles to use before I go off battery. I wonder how low it is going to go? I took it into Gladstone Toyota and had the service department look at it. They said after they recharged it and found it to be only 9.5 and that there is nothing they can do unless the red warning light comes on saying that the battery is defective. I asked them how low the battery would go and still considered normal, and they said they did not know. So I guess I will keep loosing free electric miles. Don’t buy this car until they solve their battery problems.