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	<title>Comments on: EPA Reports No Change in Fuel Economy</title>
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		<title>By: cyberdavid</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/epa-reports-no-change-fuel-economy/#comment-1688</link>
		<dc:creator>cyberdavid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2012 06:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think this is an informative piece. Well researched and written.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.thecybersafe.com/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is an informative piece. Well researched and written.<br />
<a href="http://www.thecybersafe.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thecybersafe.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: walter</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/epa-reports-no-change-fuel-economy/#comment-1687</link>
		<dc:creator>walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 18:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Daze-&lt;br /&gt;
It will be done in next year&#039;s report.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daze-<br />
It will be done in next year&#8217;s report.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/epa-reports-no-change-fuel-economy/#comment-1686</link>
		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 18:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rafael,&lt;br /&gt;
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you forgot an important one: tailpipe emissions control]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rafael,</p>
<p>you forgot an important one: tailpipe emissions control</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/epa-reports-no-change-fuel-economy/#comment-1685</link>
		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 18:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Walter,&lt;br /&gt;
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What about a weighted average that accounts for each makers total sales of each vehicle in computing the actual fleet average. A real world fleet if you will. It would have to be done at the end of year. Does this exist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walter,</p>
<p>What about a weighted average that accounts for each makers total sales of each vehicle in computing the actual fleet average. A real world fleet if you will. It would have to be done at the end of year. Does this exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/epa-reports-no-change-fuel-economy/#comment-1684</link>
		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 18:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also, the Hummer H3, the new Hummer offering, is smaller than the H2, weighing in at only 5,350 GVRW. The H1, which is no longer available after 2006, weighs in at 10,000 lbs, but sells for over $130,000, but probably not enough of these were sold to effect the milage calcs to significantly. This actually suports the conclusion that automakers are moving to smaller more gas efficient models.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, the Hummer H3, the new Hummer offering, is smaller than the H2, weighing in at only 5,350 GVRW. The H1, which is no longer available after 2006, weighs in at 10,000 lbs, but sells for over $130,000, but probably not enough of these were sold to effect the milage calcs to significantly. This actually suports the conclusion that automakers are moving to smaller more gas efficient models.</p>
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		<title>By: walter</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/epa-reports-no-change-fuel-economy/#comment-1683</link>
		<dc:creator>walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 18:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One SUV, one Pickup, one large van examples:&lt;br /&gt;
Hummer H3 GVWR 8,600 lb&lt;br /&gt;
Ford Super Duty Pickup GVWR 10,100 lb&lt;br /&gt;
Chevrolet Express 12 Passenger Van 3500 Regular Wheelbase GVWR 9,600 lb]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One SUV, one Pickup, one large van examples:<br />
Hummer H3 GVWR 8,600 lb<br />
Ford Super Duty Pickup GVWR 10,100 lb<br />
Chevrolet Express 12 Passenger Van 3500 Regular Wheelbase GVWR 9,600 lb</p>
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		<title>By: rafael_g_seidl</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/epa-reports-no-change-fuel-economy/#comment-1682</link>
		<dc:creator>rafael_g_seidl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 18:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If today&#039;s engines were paired with yesteryear&#039;s auto bodies, fuel economy would be 15-20% better than it was. Instead, carmakers all over the world (incl. here in Europe) have chosen to increase the size and weight of vehicles, effectively negating these gains.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Reasons:&lt;br /&gt;
(a) tougher crash safety laws (US carmakers are not allowed to assume passengers are wearing seatbelts, eliminating a critical system in crash safety design, leading directly to higher vehicle mass - not so in Europe)&lt;br /&gt;
(b) consumer preference for heavier vehicles due to greater presumed safety in a crash, especially if the other party is an SUV or pick-up&lt;br /&gt;
(c) tougher acoustic emissions laws (in Europe)&lt;br /&gt;
(d) consumer preference for larger engine displacement which are quieter at the typical load actually required, and rumble at lower frequencies which are perceived as a mark of quality&lt;br /&gt;
(e) consumer preference for vehicles with quiet interiors, requiring substantial acoustic damping material&lt;br /&gt;
(f) consumer demand for comfort and convenience systems (A/C, electric windows, electric seats, navigation systems, sunroof etc.)&lt;br /&gt;
(g) increased average height and girth of passengers&lt;br /&gt;
(h) consumer demand for increased cargo space&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In short, as consumers became more affluent, they had more money available for transportation and also demanded more safety. Until 2002, fuel economy was more or less irrelevant for US consumers because the gasoline was so cheap. Even today, weight for weight, it costs less than bottled water there.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In addition, the average age of the vehicle fleet is going up due to improved product quality - that means carmakers only have one chance per decade per customer to sell a vehicle, so of course they try to sell you the most expensive one they can. That usually means larger, heavier and loaded with more features.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If today&#8217;s engines were paired with yesteryear&#8217;s auto bodies, fuel economy would be 15-20% better than it was. Instead, carmakers all over the world (incl. here in Europe) have chosen to increase the size and weight of vehicles, effectively negating these gains.</p>
<p>Reasons:<br />
(a) tougher crash safety laws (US carmakers are not allowed to assume passengers are wearing seatbelts, eliminating a critical system in crash safety design, leading directly to higher vehicle mass &#8211; not so in Europe)<br />
(b) consumer preference for heavier vehicles due to greater presumed safety in a crash, especially if the other party is an SUV or pick-up<br />
(c) tougher acoustic emissions laws (in Europe)<br />
(d) consumer preference for larger engine displacement which are quieter at the typical load actually required, and rumble at lower frequencies which are perceived as a mark of quality<br />
(e) consumer preference for vehicles with quiet interiors, requiring substantial acoustic damping material<br />
(f) consumer demand for comfort and convenience systems (A/C, electric windows, electric seats, navigation systems, sunroof etc.)<br />
(g) increased average height and girth of passengers<br />
(h) consumer demand for increased cargo space</p>
<p>In short, as consumers became more affluent, they had more money available for transportation and also demanded more safety. Until 2002, fuel economy was more or less irrelevant for US consumers because the gasoline was so cheap. Even today, weight for weight, it costs less than bottled water there.</p>
<p>In addition, the average age of the vehicle fleet is going up due to improved product quality &#8211; that means carmakers only have one chance per decade per customer to sell a vehicle, so of course they try to sell you the most expensive one they can. That usually means larger, heavier and loaded with more features.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/epa-reports-no-change-fuel-economy/#comment-1681</link>
		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 18:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Walter, could you list 2 or 3 examples of &quot;SUVs and pickups weighing more than 8,500 lbs&quot; for me. Edmunds.com posts vehicle weights and the Ford Expedition, Hummer H2, and Chevy Suburban and other similarly large SUVs run less than 6,400 lbs. The 3 listed weigh in at 5,350 lbs, 6,400 lbs, and 6,330 lbs, respectively. I only ask because these are already included int he standard calcs and I am not sure that there are really that many vehicles over 8,500 lbs being sold. thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walter, could you list 2 or 3 examples of &#8220;SUVs and pickups weighing more than 8,500 lbs&#8221; for me. Edmunds.com posts vehicle weights and the Ford Expedition, Hummer H2, and Chevy Suburban and other similarly large SUVs run less than 6,400 lbs. The 3 listed weigh in at 5,350 lbs, 6,400 lbs, and 6,330 lbs, respectively. I only ask because these are already included int he standard calcs and I am not sure that there are really that many vehicles over 8,500 lbs being sold. thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/epa-reports-no-change-fuel-economy/#comment-1680</link>
		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 18:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My 1986 Buick Century with a 2.5 liter, 150 hp four banger got about 36 MPG highway. My 1993 Olds sedan, with a 3.8 liter V6 got about 30 MPG highway, and my 2004 Toyota Avalon with a 3.0 liter 210 hp V6 gets about 28 MPG highway. So besides weight, it appears the big 3 have been ramping up the horsepower for sales advantage, but the fruit is bad, a loss in my experience of about 7 MPG.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My 1986 Buick Century with a 2.5 liter, 150 hp four banger got about 36 MPG highway. My 1993 Olds sedan, with a 3.8 liter V6 got about 30 MPG highway, and my 2004 Toyota Avalon with a 3.0 liter 210 hp V6 gets about 28 MPG highway. So besides weight, it appears the big 3 have been ramping up the horsepower for sales advantage, but the fruit is bad, a loss in my experience of about 7 MPG.</p>
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