Dust in the Wind: Hybrids' Total Energy Cost

kristi3 September 28, 2006

Hybrids and Hummers

If you thought the hybrid bashers had exhausted their list of criticisms of gas-electric vehicles—they’re small, underpowered, ugly, driven only by enviro-weenies and not worth the extra cost in any case—then you probably underestimated the creativity and persistence of the anti-hybrid crowd. The latest reason, we are told, that hybrids are not the answer is that they are less energy-efficient than conventional vehicles if you look not just at the period when the hybrid is driven, but at their entire dust-to-dust lifecycle. In fact, according to a new study by CNW Marketing Research in Bandon, Ore., the Hummer H3, in terms of dust-to-dust energy costs, equates to $1.95 per mile—while the Toyota Prius and Honda Civic Hybrid are almost $3.30 per mile.

To produce these surprising claims, CNW went further than the traditional lifecycle study. The firm spent two years collecting more than 4,000 data points for all vehicles on the road—not just hybrids—studying energy costs for every single aspect of the vehicle’s creation, from research and development to final disposal. They even evaluated the relative energy cost of transporting workers from their homes to the auto plants in Japan, where workers are more likely to take public transportation, with the commuting costs for auto workers in the Midwest, who are likely to drive solo for 20-plus miles in inefficient vehicles. It’s not clear if CNW considered the relative diets of those workers (rice and vegetables versus Big Macs, and associated energy costs for growing, transporting, and processing those meals).

When You Assume…

Determining the 4,000 data points, obtaining the relevant data, and processing the data to produce a final dollar per mile cost for the vehicles, required—obviously—some assumptions. Perhaps the most critical one was the anticipated number of miles to be driven by each car. For example, CNW set the number of expected lifetime miles for a Prius at 100,000 miles, which, according to CNW President Art Spinella, was based on public statements from Toyota. In an interview with the podcast "The Watt," Spinella admitted that, "If you can drive the Prius 200,000 miles, and do the same levels of costs and repairs, the cost per mile obviously comes down dramatically."

As you might expect, the media and blogosphere had a field day with the study. CNW’s press releases were picked up from New York to Hong Kong. The impression left by the media coverage was to cast doubts on the real benefits of hybrids. In all fairness, it was not Spinella’s fault that journalists were not nearly as thorough in representing the report as CNW was in their research.

If reporters had dug a little deeper, they would have clearly seen what the podcast interview exposed: the Hummer H3 looks a whole lot better than the hybrids because it uses "crude old technology that has long ago been paid for," according to Spinella. On the other hand, the hybrids are new and complex, and the cost of the R&D energy required to make the necessary transformation of our cars from oversized, high-emissions gas guzzlers to something new and better has not yet been amortized over any significant period of time.

Priustoric

Podcaster Ben Kenney asked if the results from the study would be different if conducted again in 10 years. Spinella responded:

"It would be totally different in three years. The hybrids will look significantly better. The new hybrids they are developing now—the new ones that I’ve seen, Prius III and Prius IV—are so much more simplified. They’ll do what the current versions do, but with far less complexity, lighter motors, more recyclable parts, and longer lasting components. The current Prius, for all intents and purposes, will be the Model T."

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kballs

The big point here is that the R&D cost for a Hummer is hidden in vehicles that have been built over the past 50 years, where the hybrids have only been developed in the last 5-8 years.

Also, $ cost does not equal energy used to produce it. Think about the materials costs… material costs are not only energy to make and transport, but also the raw material “value” such as exotic metals (like nickel or lithium for batteries), carbon fiber, etc. If you build a car with carbon fiber frame and body, it’ll cost a million dollars, but use similar or less energy to make than steel. Batteries are expensive because material costs are high, not because they take as much energy to make as the car uses during its life (not even close).
kballs

I should have stated that the original report based lifecycle energy on the $ cost which was what I was talking about above.

What it does point out is that a Hummer is cheaper to build than a Prius, but the retail cost is 2x as much, so those Hummer buyers are really getting ripped off!
rocknerd

The lack of critical thinking skills among the masses will be the end of us all.
Anonymous

Anybody with intelligence knows that statistics can be and are frequently manipulated.

Statistics can say anything you want.
John Grabber

Wow! My energy, enviromental saving Prius is of less global benefit than a Hummer!
This took you two years to put together? This is your contribution to earth and human health? You all probably have closets full of firearms because it’s your right! A new low has been created and it’s creater is CNW Marketing Research. What a JOKE!
wow

Never underestimate the power of Morons in large numbers.
Jerry

But wait!!! lets factor in the earnings of the company that made the Pruis vs the company that made the hummer- oh that company doesn make mooney–
Hmmm where is my depreciating asset column. We will have to factor lost pensions, wages homes, goodwill

The report is absurd
MARLIN

ASIAN MAKE BETTER CARS THAN WE DO. JUST FACE IT
Alex

Everything i read talks about the ‘energy cost’ per mile driven. cost doesn’t mean anything with how green it is. green is (or should by) an overall measure of impact to the environment. being green is more indeed more expensive. i’d like to find some research on the total ‘environmental’ impact per lifetime mile, not ‘energy cost’ per lifetime mile. haven’t done all research yet, but i do know one thing. energy cost DOES NOT equal environmental cost/impact. we’re all being brainwashed and misled.

and this whole fuel cell thing. fuel cells use hydrogen. manufacturing hydrogen takes a massive amount of energy. they’re just offsetting the tail-piple emissions with energy plant emissions which lots of them use coal and turbine engines which uses………oil products. go figure.

also, don’t go slamming gun rights folks. this is not the forum for that subject. but i cherish my right to protect myself in a society in which the criminals will always have a means to harm innocent people.
Pulsar

Thank you for the most balanced analysis of hybrid lifecycle energy cost I have seen. Your well-thought-out conclusions can be useful in guiding our future car-buying decisions.
Sean

Vehicle lifespan. For some reason, the article points to a projected 100K lifespan for a Prius, while the H3 is lifespan is projected at 3x that. To date, battery performance in the Prius has been extremely sound. Specifically, two Vancouver taxi companies have been running the 2001 Prius and have gotten total mileages of over 332,000 km (206,000 miles) and 410,000 (254,762) with minimal required repairs. http://www.hybridexperience.ca/Toyota_Prius.htm.

Mining Link: The environmental damage related to the Sudbury mine in Canada existed prior to the Prius. Directly linking the vehicle (and batteries) to the pollution is a shaky argument at best. From what I can gather, Toyota purchases ~ 1,000 tons of nickel from the mine annually, which is 1% of the mines annual output of 100,000.

Consider the Source: The original article was written by a student reporter for his college newspaper (Central Connecticut State University). Also worth noting is the fact that CNW does a considerable amount of work for the US auto industry.

Improvements in battery technologies are essential to the growing efficiencies of hybrids and future Plug In Hybrids. AAA expects that work being done with Lithium Ion batteries will further reduce the impact of NiMH battery types.

Sean Comey
Spokesman
AAA of Northern California, Nevada & Utah
des

I like the ignorant comment on diets, the Japanese wipe out oceanic species daily. People are so easily persuaded By Enviro marketing, it disgusts me. Also if Asians Make better cars, how come most toyotas that are sold in North america, are now being built here. Also sean who is a spokesperson for AAA, That is the most stupid thing I have ever seen. your Trying to justify pollution, Your post is an insult to to every true environmentalist that is trying to help the environment. Alex is right, there is more to how it is built, what it takes to build it then most people see. How many of have every done research on emmissions that are produced by the paint that most cars use. when it comes to environmental damage, The productions of cars is far greater than actually driving them. But of course you knew that , thats why you bought a hyryd. Lol.
Scott

Hi. My two cents is that Japanese cars are assembled here to get around the trade limitations. I memory serves me right this occured during the 80s under Reagan, when Japanese bashing was all the rage. Direct imports were capped, while leaving open the loophole to provide American workers with jobs by importing the parts and putting the additional cars together here.
Jason

In the end what really matters is what you wish to drive. You can drive a vehilce that has no helpful use to the eviroment,(i.e. hummer) or you can choose to drive something that in the long run will benefit us all. The choice is up to you.
Bloody people whinning about gas prices are the ones driving the least fuel effeicent vehicles out there…sheesh
jbrown50

Statistics can be manipulated and that’s a fact.

I own a Prius because I like being able to drive 500+ miles between fill ups. I like saving gas and I like the car’s versatility and reliability.

I also own firearms and believe the Second Amendment to be an individual right, just like the rest of the Bill Of Rights. On that note I am appalled at envorinmental extremist’s vandalism and violent activity. If someone wants to own a hummer or any other gas guzzler, let ‘em. It’s their money and they’ll eventually get tired of spending it in buckets.
chris

The analysis that CNW is absolutely correct……for today. But as they said, things change as the investment gets amortized. But the total carbon foorprint difference between the cars is not as large as the owners would like to believe.

Hydrogen cars today will actually have larget total carbon foorprints than gasoline powered cars. Studies have shown even solar energy has a major carbon foorprint when looked at as the total prduct life cycle.

Everybody is trying to reduce carbon foorprints or total energy consumed or whatever is your favorite metric, but the sad fact is thermodynamics has a limit and unless we want to go back naked in the woods, there is no magic bullet in any car technology.

But, pray for a “magic” catalyst that can crack water with little energy put into it. The hydrogen could be a solution. Lots of people are searching for it.
Greg

This was a study designed to make any new technology look bad.

New tech gets assigned 100% of their R&D costs.

Old tech gets assigned a fraction of their R&D costs.

Therefore all old tech is more efficient than all new tech!!!

Time to tear down the research labs, I guess. It’s those nerds in lab coats that cause global warming.

(This would explain Detroit’s current strategy.)
Mike the geologist

What we seem to be overlooking is that material cost can be equated to energy cost. Rare elements are more expensive mostly because it takes a lot more energy to extract them from rock. For example, iron is a very abundant element. Let’s say every ton of rock produces 100 pounds of iron. So 20 tons of rock is needed to obtain a ton of iron. It costs serious energy to crush rock into dust and separate out the iron, but when you process huge tonnages it brings the price per unit down. When you have to mine 2000 tons of rock to get 1 pound of some exotic element most of the associated cost is the cost of energy used to extract it. We cannot say that using rarer more expensive materials is better for the environment than using cheaper materials for this reason. Until we use an industrial energy source that is trully clean, every hybrid we buy still costs us more in energy than the alternatives. For now the bulk of our energy still comes from fossil fuels. When it comes from nuclear plants hybrids will become cheaper (impact wise) but ultimately until we have a source of ‘free’ energy, energy costs will always be around 90% of material costs.
Denno the Lawyer

Has anyone done the research to know the real difference in terms of overall impact on the environment. Seems like the real equation should look at the emission level per mile drive, anticipated miles to be driven, and environmental consequence of fabrication and assembly along with trashing/recycling the components. And forget the stupid Hummer, but is a high mileage super low emission regular engine better long term than a hybrid. I wonder but do not know. And what is the long term impact of obtaining the materials and making the batteries which have to be trasked or recycled? Does anybody know of any realtistic studies on the real environmental consequences of hybrids versus the more sensible alternatives?
Armand

CNW’s report is made for the same douchebags who think:

1. American is about freedom and democracy.
2. The Iraq war was about 9/11 and Saddam Hussein
3. The WTC buildings, 1100 ft buildings both fell neatly and naturally into their own footprint and crumbled into small steel pieces.
4. WMD’s actually existed.
5. Bush got elected by democratic vote…

Did I miss anything???

Ah yes…

6. God told Bush to invade Iraq.
Armand

The reason why the Japanese automakers make their cars here is because it is CHEAPER than making it in Japan and importing them. But since you asked, you can thank the Japanese engineering teams that design their cars in such a way so that the dumbshit American workers putting them together don’t screw things up too much. But sadly since they have been built here, it seems their quality is slipping…go figure.

Lord knows the Japanese have ALOT of vices themselves…their post war culture is a copy of American Quaker and right wing lunacy…read Japan’s Zombie Politics to get an idea. But that’s not a topic of the thread is it?

Just face it DES…Americans make POS cars…so much so that MOST of the new American cars coming out by Ford, GM, etc….have to be REMAKES of older cars…retro garbage. How sad is that?

Get a life.
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manshimajin

Great to find a site that indicates some people in the USA have heard of countries beyond your border!

What would be more interesting than a Hummer v Prius comparison would be a Prius v similar size car – say a European diesel with a highly efficient engine. Then the ‘dust to dust’ calculations might be more relevant. I suspect on a dust to dust basis a Prius might not be better than say a VW Golf diesel.

The dust to dust comparison is an important one as we often export the manufacturing pollution to somewhere else in the world. I guess the good thing about the Hummer is that the pollution caused by building and scrapping it is kept at home.
sackbut

when in fact, YOU are the joke!
Tiffany

I think global warming is a myth.
And there is no such thing.
I aslo do belive in solar powered cars.
I think they are good to help our enviroment.
But i think that you guys over exadorate about littel things.
And you guys make them into big huge deals.
WHEN THERE NOT So SHUT UP AND GET A LIFE
IM,only even looking at this gay page is becuase i have to do a report. otheer than that it pretty much sucks A**
Jaker

First of all tiffany,

They have proved that global warming is really happening and affecting us. Second, I wouldn’t believe someone who spells also aslo and thirdly you may not tell people that they dont have a life reading this when obviously you were reading the exact same site.

Global warming is a large issue in today’s society and it is people like you tiffany that pollute our world and dont make it a better place. Please take there words into consideration next time you blabber about something you have no idea what it means
Jaker

First of all tiffany,

They have proved that global warming is really happening and affecting us. Second, I wouldn’t believe someone who spells also aslo and thirdly you may not tell people that they dont have a life reading this when obviously you were reading the exact same site.

Global warming is a large issue in today’s society and it is people like you tiffany that pollute our world and dont make it a better place. Please take there words into consideration next time you blabber about something you have no idea what it means
ctalay

Obviously you are some childish little girl who has no idea what world she is living in. Grow up sweety because it is your generation and your unfortunate spawns generation that will have to deal with the affects of your complete diregard and care for the world you live in. you still have a lot of growing to do leave it to mature and schooled minds to have these kinds of debates.
Ryan

Well….. I have to say that most of you are just uneducated on this subject. Let’s clear a few things up….

First of all, none of this has anything to do with 9/11, republicans, george w., or any of that. This is simply an economic comparison. The first mistake that CNW made was comparing a hybrid to a hummer. That was pretty ignorant, i will not pick bones about that. However, when you look at the energy expended and sulfur and carbon released in producing these batteries, you see that there is an obvious problem here. The plant outside of Ontario is releasing ridiculous amounts of pollution into the surrounding area. Also, the cost and energy required to ship the batteries from Canada to Europe to Japan and back to the U.S. is simply preposterous.

All that being said, i drive a full size chevy pickup. It has a 4.3 liter engine, and will get roughly 28 miles to the gallon. You know why? because, unlike most people, i know how to keep up an engine. Proper maintenance goes a long way. Drive what you want.

If you want to save gas, buy a compact car. They do far less harm to the environment than any ugly hybrid ever will.
Donnie

I think many are overlooking the total view of their needs in favor of their “status”. I drive a Tahoe not because it gets a measly 20MPG highway, I drive it because larger vehicles are safer than small ones. The idiotic way that NHTSA grades vehicle crash worthiness is a joke. IF you are driving your hybrid-cross the centerline and hit my Tahoe, believe me yours will sustain more damage than mine. Further more for comfort the larger cars win again. I have owned many types of cars and unless you move to the luxury lines, you get a more comfortable and safe vehicle by going big
Besides, the world will not leave it’s dependence on oil until it is no longer available so I am doing my part to use it up quickly so that we can move on.
honda or toyota

just pick a Honda or a Toyota, except the seqouia since I think its a gas guzzler. Hummer stands for Huge Ugly Monsterous Machine thats Environmentally Rettarted HUMMER Sucks gas. Hybrids kick gas. just face it. all of Hondas vehicles are recommended by Consumer Reports and 80% of Toyotas GMC, all of the cars they make, about 35%
grammar check

Both Tiffany and Jaker- neither of you used “there” correctly. Tiffany should have said “they’re” (among other overlooks) and Jaker should have said “their.” Please spell and grammar check YOUR posts. YOU’RE making yourselves look like idiots.

That being said, the article compared a hybrid to a Hummer to make a point. THEY’RE saying that even a Hummer is more environmentally friendly in the long run than a Prius, a much more shocking report than if they said a VW rabbit was. Whether or not this is true, the report purposely used autos that are not similar to emphasize THEIR point.
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Going2Green

As the Democratic Convention wraps up and the hoopla of the Republican Convention heats up Americans are still left with a sense of a lot of hot air of any concrete plans to end the energy crisis in America. Northerners dread the upcoming onset of fall and colder weather wondering how they will be able to afford how to keep their homes and families warm. Southerners have been sweating the high cost of energy raising the thermostat to save on their electric bills. Families everywhere are wondering where else they can cut back to cover the cost of fueling up the family vehicle to get back and forth to work and take care of the necessities of life. There is no money left for relaxation and family fun. The stress level continues to rise. The average electric bill has risen 16% to cover the power companies additional production costs. A gallon of milk is almost as precious as a gallon of gas. The cost of every consumer product has risen sharply. American’s are stretched to the limit. Jobs are being lost, foreclosures are increasing at an alarming rate. Seems even the family pets are suffering the high cost of fuel as almost daily a new story is on TV about shelters being forced to euthanize record number of surrendered pets from those forced out of their homes or no longer able to care for them. The energy crisis in our country is far reaching and needs immediate attention. I am hoping whoever gets elected will get their act together and make this their #1 priority.

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non-hybrid hater

I have enjoyed my hybrid for one reason, gas. That’s it. It is too small for my family, and now I get to turn around and sell it for $8k more than I paid for it. I don’t think they are safe vehicles, I don’t think they are fun vehicles. The best idea I ever had was to sell it and buy a used vehicle with my “profit” and fight through the problems at the pump.

In the mid 90′s you could buy a Prius for $13000 because nobody wanted the pieces that they are. Now you can pay twice as much for slight improvements. Save your money and buy a nice used car. Hell, pay cash and lose ridiculous car payments. You will be much happier if you do.
Linds

I would love to see this be a comparison between an older more easily fixed car, maybe one from the 90′s that is already in existance and the totally cost to produce a new hybrid. I think the results would be even more stagaring. If we drove every gas hogging vehicle we have now and fixed them contuniously until it was impossible to do so any longer we would not have the trashed cars we have now and we would use less energy then making new cars no matter how effiecent they are on the road. When buying a NEW car… buy a hybird… of course! But when buying a car… buy a used one… Reuse is always before recycle in the saying.
Anonymous

u.s cars are better than foreign cars, to start off. asia does not make better cars than u.s.

douchebags!!!!!!!!
Anonymous

agree with non-hybrid hater. u obviously need to change your name though. because you do hate hybrids
Why the racial pride?

“ASIAN MAKE BETTER CARS THAN WE DO. JUST FACE IT”

Many “Asian” cars are built here, for starters, and the designs are not really new, nor are they exclusively designed by Asians. Maybe the only argument anyone can have against American car companies is that they pay their employees more money(I belive 6 dollars an hour more in the U.S. than toyota last time I checked 34/hr), and the give Americans what they want. GM had the first reasonably-priced, mass-produceable, electric-car, but they saw more profits in gasoline, so they pushed other vehicles and killed innovation. Their doors are still open because our government cares about the common industrial worker, maybe unfairly, but it’s a nice feeling to have if you are a consumer buying a car.

It’s worth mentioning that Korean cars are garbage, and South Korea charges an import fee on American cars, creating an unfair balance in trade. They also aren’t pro-worker in the same respect as Americans have been since the baby boom. Like I said, pat on the back to countries who lower living standards for everyone.

Also, have you considered that Japanese cars contain parts not made in Japan because of industrial capacity and environmental restrictions, so the Chinese companies who make the parts are actually the same really low-quality manufacturer’s that American car companies use. American car parts are far superior.
Why the racial pride?

Also… what I meant was *after-market American car parts are far superior to anything else in my experience… some Japanese parts are good, but they cost more and they don’t really outperform.
logical

We have to ask this question why have hybrid cars come about. Whats the motive? Excuse the pun. Global Warming. A minoirty will say these need to built because oil is a limited supply, but is it?, and is dirty for the environment but is it? Would you say that man should try and cap all volcanoes? Because if 3 large volcanoes had violent eruptions on this planet at the same time it would do more damage to our environment than anything man could ever do. Hybrids are being created out of the mind set of “fear” and the “not sustainable” this has gone on for a number of years. This is ” chicken little syndrome” or the “sky is falling” in which some have gotten extremly wealthy pitching. But in fact when you check history which has actually happened you will find that the earth is going to cool down for a time 20-30-40 years and these same people will continue with their fear to stifle economies and take your money. So do hybrids really need to be built? Because of fear or necessity, because we all know the car companys do not want to build them and 98% of consumers don’t want to buy them. Does a tiny minority in america rule now ? Don’t believe your TV sets check “all” the facts for youself and make a judgement, this is freedom. Soon, to “these people” everything you do in life will cause global warming or climate change or rainy days or sunny days you get the picture. Man does not effect climate. Here are some facts for you readers from 2010. 1 china’s coldest winter in 100 years, 2 American east coat heaviest snowfall in 100 years, 3 15% of arctic ice has refrozen just this year, average mean earth temps has fallen over the last 5 years . That is now why it is called climate change which is a oxy moron because the climate changes all the time, why didn’t they like the term global warming? Again i say whats their motive? One more note why do people call making their home more heat effecient “Green” its not “Green” people have been making their homes more heat effecient for hundreds of years and never called it “green”. Explain, abbreviations are not specific. Find the Truth.
ryan frost

i think that humers are a wast of money and that they use soo much gas and mess up the enviroment!
Yegor

I think that it is quite simple to calculated the difference – take the cost of the car add the cost of the fuel that it will use over the lifetime add the maintenance cost add the cost of utilization and you will get the energy cost (the energy cost to built the car is already included in the car price). Any hybrid will definitely be less expensive than a Hummer.
Used Trucks

In this global financial melt down, one cannot afford to waste fuel, and also as transport is very important in day today life, people cannot compromise on fuel and waste it, This is where the Hybrid Technology comes in, Hybrid vehicles are the future that is what is see. All the major auto giants are now focusing on manufacturing energy efficient vehicles, which will run on low fossil fuel and also that will help in reducing the CO2 in atmosphere and eventually will control the Ozone depletion. And on the hand electric vehicles are also coming in market which will produce Zero emission. what i would suggest is that people should do some sacrifice and encourage the Hybrid models for the betterment of all

Regards,
Kevin
Used Trucks

Hybrids are the Future, no matter where the auto technology is heading the in the burning the fossil fuel, but eventually what every one needs now is CO2 emission free atmosphere this is where every auto manufacturing company should focus on, “After All We Only Have One Planet”

Regards,
Kevin
http://www.trucksbuyer.com
Rob Cook

Hybrid is the latest & very smart key for the future of this auto industries, hybrids are majorly follows by maximum nos. of Auto Making company, many of company’s Latest Cars are to be based on this addition.

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summers s

In this global financial melt down, one cannot afford to waste fuel, and also as transport is very important in day today life, people cannot compromise on fuel and waste it, This is where the Hybrid Technology comes in, Hybrid vehicles are the future that is what is see. Also if Asians Make better cars, how come most toyotas that are sold in North america, are now being built here. well its time for me to go out doors with my Patio Umbrella and relax and let the scientiests figure out this problem, but at my part i will save fuel……..
scott s

In this global financial melt down, one cannot afford to waste fuel, and also as transport is very important in day today life, people cannot compromise on fuel and waste it, This is where the Hybrid Technology comes in, Hybrid vehicles are the future that is what is see. Also if Asians Make better cars, how come most toyotas that are sold in North america, are now being built here. well its time for me to go out doors with my Patio Umbrella
and relax and let the scientists figure out this problem, but at my part i will save fuel……..
summers s

Hybrids are the Rising, no matter where the automobile subject is header the in the fervid the fossil gas, but yet what every one needs now is CO2 egression freeborn ATM this is where every auto manufacturing society should Indus on, “After All We Only Someone One Planet”

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Jim Ross

If a car costs more to purchase, it seems that the price should somehow be related to the energy that went into making it. If hybrids cost more, then it means their manufacturing process should produce more pollutants.
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john davidson

The problem is that car manufacturers are charging substantially more for these new hybrids than for their gas-using counterparts. Though the car makers tout extra performance, the bigger sticker price can make it harder to justify the economics of buying a hybrid.
For example, the hybrid Accord gets a combined 32 mpg, compared to the regular Accord’s 24. But it also costs $3,300 more
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Robert Champoo

Hybrids might be expensive right now but if you calculate correctly you will see that in five to ten years you will have financially gained from the savings on your fuel costs. Even more, they can achieve twice the fuel economy of conventional vehicles and get 50 to 60 miles per gallon. In addition, you won’t have the wear and tear on your engine as you would with a conventional gasoline engine

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naughty sms

The firm spent two years collecting more than 4,000 data points for all vehicles on the road—not just hybrids—studying energy costs for every single aspect of the vehicle’s creation, from research and development to final disposal.
naughty sms

The firm spent two years collecting more than 4,000 data points for all vehicles on the road—not just hybrids—studying energy costs for every single aspect of the vehicle’s creation.
Randy Remington

I don’t normally measure physical cost only. Since hybrids use a combined electric and gasoline engine, the gas savings alone can make any hybrid a sound investment. They have some of the highest MPGs out of any other type of vehicle under the right conditions. Also, they emit less emissions into the air, making them not only a cost saving option, but arguably better for the environment as well.
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Peter

Both Tiffany and Jaker- neither of you used “there” correctly. Tiffany should have said “they’re” (among other overlooks) and Jaker should have said “their.” Please spell and grammar check YOUR posts. YOU’RE making yourselves look like idiots.

That being said, the article compared a hybrid to a Hummer to make a point. THEY’RE saying that even a Hummer is more environmentally friendly in the long run than a Prius, a much more shocking report than if they said a VW rabbit was. Whether or not this is true, the report purposely used autos that are not similar to emphasize THEIR point.
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Monthly sales data for the U.S. alternative-energy passenger vehicle market.

MPG	Hybrids	+ View All
53/46	Toyota Prius c
51/48	Toyota Prius Liftback
47/47	Ford C-Max Hybrid
44/44	Honda Civic Hybrid
43/40	Lexus CT200h
42/48	Volkswagen Jetta Hybrid
41/36	Ford Fusion Hybrid
35/40	Hyundai Sonata Hybrid

MPGe	Electrics	+ View All
106/92	Nissan Leaf
110/99	Ford Focus EV
99/126	Mitsubishi i-MiEV
88/90	Tesla Model S

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