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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/debate-begins-cafe-credits-evs-26216/#comment-22287</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 01:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just hope what the proponents say that this would help automakers keep costs down, and sell electric and hybrid cars for cheaper—although there’s no guarantee that the savings wouldn’t be applied to producing more SUVs or giving bonuses to executives, won&#039;t be lip service.-- &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zionandzion.com/&quot;&gt;advertising agencies arizona &lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just hope what the proponents say that this would help automakers keep costs down, and sell electric and hybrid cars for cheaper—although there’s no guarantee that the savings wouldn’t be applied to producing more SUVs or giving bonuses to executives, won&#8217;t be lip service.&#8211; <a href="http://www.zionandzion.com/">advertising agencies arizona </a></p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/debate-begins-cafe-credits-evs-26216/#comment-22286</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 05:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All the gasoline vehicles  would be now E85  (and the diesel B100) as a obligation  reflected in the law (acts and regulations). Also only-internal-combustion-engine vehicles (AICEVs) shall be banned, only allowing plug-in vehicles with an established minimal all-electric range. The question is which minimal all-electric range?. Regards.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the gasoline vehicles  would be now E85  (and the diesel B100) as a obligation  reflected in the law (acts and regulations). Also only-internal-combustion-engine vehicles (AICEVs) shall be banned, only allowing plug-in vehicles with an established minimal all-electric range. The question is which minimal all-electric range?. Regards.</p>
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		<title>By: CAFE is arcane</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/debate-begins-cafe-credits-evs-26216/#comment-22285</link>
		<dc:creator>CAFE is arcane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AP has it right.   CAFE and cash for clunkers never made sense.   It would make a lot more sense to just raise gas taxes.   No loopholes and fuzzy math.    Individuals can decide the value of an EV or a hybrid or gas guzzler.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AP has it right.   CAFE and cash for clunkers never made sense.   It would make a lot more sense to just raise gas taxes.   No loopholes and fuzzy math.    Individuals can decide the value of an EV or a hybrid or gas guzzler.</p>
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		<title>By: AP</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/debate-begins-cafe-credits-evs-26216/#comment-22284</link>
		<dc:creator>AP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is one more reason to ditch the charade of CAFE. Instead, raise fuel taxes slowly by a certain amount (call it a Strategic Fuel Tax), and return ALL that money to taxpayers in the form of a Strategic Fuel Refund.&lt;br /&gt;
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For each dollar that comes out of the economy in the fuel tax, a dollar goes back in from the refund. Everyone can calculate the tax collected, everyone can verify the amount disbursed. No fear of the government diverting funds (I don&#039;t trust the government too much right now).&lt;br /&gt;
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No muss, no fuss, no stupid CAFE provisions and loopholes. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one more reason to ditch the charade of CAFE. Instead, raise fuel taxes slowly by a certain amount (call it a Strategic Fuel Tax), and return ALL that money to taxpayers in the form of a Strategic Fuel Refund.</p>
<p>For each dollar that comes out of the economy in the fuel tax, a dollar goes back in from the refund. Everyone can calculate the tax collected, everyone can verify the amount disbursed. No fear of the government diverting funds (I don&#8217;t trust the government too much right now).</p>
<p>No muss, no fuss, no stupid CAFE provisions and loopholes. </p>
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		<title>By: Lost Prius to wife</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/debate-begins-cafe-credits-evs-26216/#comment-22283</link>
		<dc:creator>Lost Prius to wife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Personally, this sounds like a shell game. If I am a gas car manufacture, this is honey from heaven. With the extra credit of one EV to my car lineup I might not have to change any of my fuel efficiencies of the other gas cars I build to meet CAFE requirements. No matter that the EV is only a half of a percent of my sales. And with two EV designs in my car lineup, I can actually decrease my fuel efficiencies of my gas cars and still meet CAFE requirements. The possibility of this kind of abuse is more than likely.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, this sounds like a shell game. If I am a gas car manufacture, this is honey from heaven. With the extra credit of one EV to my car lineup I might not have to change any of my fuel efficiencies of the other gas cars I build to meet CAFE requirements. No matter that the EV is only a half of a percent of my sales. And with two EV designs in my car lineup, I can actually decrease my fuel efficiencies of my gas cars and still meet CAFE requirements. The possibility of this kind of abuse is more than likely.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.Bear</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/debate-begins-cafe-credits-evs-26216/#comment-22282</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr.Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I must be confused.  You don’t want a system where a disproportionately high credit is given to the EVs because it allows too many gas guzzlers to be built.  Yet you agree with me that EVs have an energy efficiency greater than the 1.2 to 2 factor credit being proposed by the auto makers.  &lt;br /&gt;
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It seems to me that what it being proposed, at least as the article presents it, is actually disproportionately low and fewer gas guzzlers will be subsidized by EV credits than under your proposed system.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must be confused.  You don’t want a system where a disproportionately high credit is given to the EVs because it allows too many gas guzzlers to be built.  Yet you agree with me that EVs have an energy efficiency greater than the 1.2 to 2 factor credit being proposed by the auto makers.  </p>
<p>It seems to me that what it being proposed, at least as the article presents it, is actually disproportionately low and fewer gas guzzlers will be subsidized by EV credits than under your proposed system.</p>
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		<title>By: john iv</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/debate-begins-cafe-credits-evs-26216/#comment-22281</link>
		<dc:creator>john iv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think this will actually produce more EVs.  The number of cars that can fill up using E85 are going up, but I don&#039;t see more E85 fueling stations.  If the AMA is for it I&#039;m going to take a closer look at it before I commit to the program.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think this will actually produce more EVs.  The number of cars that can fill up using E85 are going up, but I don&#8217;t see more E85 fueling stations.  If the AMA is for it I&#8217;m going to take a closer look at it before I commit to the program.</p>
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		<title>By: jmd</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/debate-begins-cafe-credits-evs-26216/#comment-22280</link>
		<dc:creator>jmd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Bear is quite right that the amount of CO2 per mile when driving an EV, even when charged using average U.S. electric power that comes 50% from coal, is much less than that of a similarly sized gasoline car (yes, I have run the numbers).  The benefit is due to the EV&#039;s greater energy efficiency -- that is, lower energy use per mile -- which is the basis that I recommend for scoring vehicles under CAFE or any new EPA standards.  &lt;br /&gt;
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So honest energy-based CAFE scoring will actually make EVs look quite good in automakers&#039; CAFE tallies.  What I&#039;m critical of is extra credit, beyond their measured energy efficiency; that&#039;s what will lead to distortions of the sort that JohnM points out, whereby disproportionate credits for EVs will lead to excess guzzlers and undermine overall fuel savings.  &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Bear is quite right that the amount of CO2 per mile when driving an EV, even when charged using average U.S. electric power that comes 50% from coal, is much less than that of a similarly sized gasoline car (yes, I have run the numbers).  The benefit is due to the EV&#8217;s greater energy efficiency &#8212; that is, lower energy use per mile &#8212; which is the basis that I recommend for scoring vehicles under CAFE or any new EPA standards.  </p>
<p>So honest energy-based CAFE scoring will actually make EVs look quite good in automakers&#8217; CAFE tallies.  What I&#8217;m critical of is extra credit, beyond their measured energy efficiency; that&#8217;s what will lead to distortions of the sort that JohnM points out, whereby disproportionate credits for EVs will lead to excess guzzlers and undermine overall fuel savings.  </p>
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		<title>By: Samie</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/debate-begins-cafe-credits-evs-26216/#comment-22279</link>
		<dc:creator>Samie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We like to think that a topic like this is a either or situation, when in reality it depends on what objectives you want to accomplish.  The bonus point scheme is a way for auto manufactures to continue to produce the same old SUV&#039;s while meeting new standards hence the AAM support .  If you look at this as a environmentalist  this is somewhat of a scam. &lt;br /&gt;
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But if you look at this as a way to diversify how we &quot;fuel&quot; our vehicles it may encourage more development of EV&#039;s. Hopefully this credit skips plugins and requires producers of all EV&#039;s to not lease battery technology to a consumer.  &lt;br /&gt;
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For policy makers and policy in general, the smart thing to do is to give the AAM the profit margins of monster SUV&#039;s while making them sacrifice something, even if you don&#039;t agree with this idea...  Eg. applies to EV&#039;s not plugings, EV&#039;s must meet a certain level of production (meaning no games in production or deliberate holding back from consumer demand)  Batteries not leased to customers  and the E85 provision removed.  Again the question is what does the AAM give up in order to produce the same SUV&#039;s under the new rules.  That is where the discussion needs to be not one side is better than the other junk that people fall into. &lt;br /&gt;
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If people were better informed and demanded politicians be tough negotiators with these private firms we would get a better result out of policies like this instead of typical backroom deals between lobbyists and the politician they want to influence while spinning the debate so the public is ill informed about the issue and only focuses on narrow moral opinions of right and wrongs of a potential policy change that in all likelihood will be included at some point in the new CAFE standards.  &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We like to think that a topic like this is a either or situation, when in reality it depends on what objectives you want to accomplish.  The bonus point scheme is a way for auto manufactures to continue to produce the same old SUV&#8217;s while meeting new standards hence the AAM support .  If you look at this as a environmentalist  this is somewhat of a scam. </p>
<p>But if you look at this as a way to diversify how we &#8220;fuel&#8221; our vehicles it may encourage more development of EV&#8217;s. Hopefully this credit skips plugins and requires producers of all EV&#8217;s to not lease battery technology to a consumer.  </p>
<p>For policy makers and policy in general, the smart thing to do is to give the AAM the profit margins of monster SUV&#8217;s while making them sacrifice something, even if you don&#8217;t agree with this idea&#8230;  Eg. applies to EV&#8217;s not plugings, EV&#8217;s must meet a certain level of production (meaning no games in production or deliberate holding back from consumer demand)  Batteries not leased to customers  and the E85 provision removed.  Again the question is what does the AAM give up in order to produce the same SUV&#8217;s under the new rules.  That is where the discussion needs to be not one side is better than the other junk that people fall into. </p>
<p>If people were better informed and demanded politicians be tough negotiators with these private firms we would get a better result out of policies like this instead of typical backroom deals between lobbyists and the politician they want to influence while spinning the debate so the public is ill informed about the issue and only focuses on narrow moral opinions of right and wrongs of a potential policy change that in all likelihood will be included at some point in the new CAFE standards.  </p>
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		<title>By: JohnM</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/debate-begins-cafe-credits-evs-26216/#comment-22278</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This will mean that by buying an EV, one is encouraging the production of a guzzler.  Why should I pay more to do &quot;the right thing&quot;, if it makes it cheaper for someone else to make the opposite choice?&lt;br /&gt;
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People make personal economic decisions.  Raise the price of fuel and the mileage will go up.  Half of all cars built are still on the road after 15 years.  We&#039;d better get started.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This will mean that by buying an EV, one is encouraging the production of a guzzler.  Why should I pay more to do &#8220;the right thing&#8221;, if it makes it cheaper for someone else to make the opposite choice?</p>
<p>People make personal economic decisions.  Raise the price of fuel and the mileage will go up.  Half of all cars built are still on the road after 15 years.  We&#8217;d better get started.</p>
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