Car Culture Wars: Glenn Beck Ridicules Hybrids

The day after the Obama administration announced rules for tougher automobile fuel efficiency standards, conservative media pundit Glenn Beck ridiculed hybrid cars as undesirable and not worthy of tax incentives.

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Glenn Beck

In a comedy routine on his radio program, Beck said: “Last year, when gas prices hit their all-time highs, at over $4 a gallon, of the top ten best-selling cars of 2008, exactly none of them were hybrids, not even the hero of the environmental universe, the Toyota Prius.” In truth, when pick-up trucks are removed from the 2008 list, the Toyota Prius ranked No. 10 for sales of passenger vehicles. In April 2008, when gas prices started their steepest ascent, the Prius rose to No. 8.

Beck’s sharpest barbs were aimed at tax incentives for hybrids. He said, “Do you know the average household income of a hybrid buyer is over $113,000? That’s more than double the average household, and six times the poverty level. The purchase of a hybrid is a better indicator of household wealth than a doctorate degree.” Speaking to an “idiot” liberal character, he asked, “Aren’t tax breaks for the wealthy usually the kind of thing you’re infuriated about?”

Beck’s comments echoed ideas expressed by Rush Limbaugh in March. Referring to hybrids, Limbaugh said, “Nobody’s buying ‘em. Nobody wants them. The manufacturers are making them in droves to satisfy Obama.” He further characterized hybrids, high gas prices, and Detroit’s economic woes as an agenda of the Obama administration: “People are going to buy [hybrids] because Obama’s going to see to it the price [of gas] gets back up to four bucks, since that is the tipping point…Ford and Toyota are manufacturing all kinds of new hybrids to keep politicians happy. Politics. You want to know what killed the auto industry? Politics.”

Many Republican hybrid drivers would take umbrage with Beck’s and Limbaugh’s comments. One visitor of HybridCars.com wrote in 2005: “I am a tried and true Prius owner, and my next vehicle will be another hybrid. I’ll never go back to a full gasoline engine. I am a conservative, church-attending Christian. I love Rush Limbaugh and support George Bush…Please don’t lump me with the tree huggers. I purchased a Prius because I was spending too much money at the gas pump.”

Fighting Words

Beck’s comments could be dismissed as populist rhetoric, although such anti-hybrid viewpoints have resulted in acts of vandalism. There were reports of at least seven attacks on Priuses in Petaluma, Calif. in April 2008. Vandals used bricks or rocks to smash windshields, and there was one instance of a Prius getting rammed by another vehicle. Three months later, a Toyota Prius was set on fire in Los Angeles. Fire investigators concluded that the inferno was the result of arson. Anti-Prius vandalism dates back to 2004, when there was a spate of Priuses being “keyed” in Las Vegas. Several attacks against Priuses were reported in Seattle last month.

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This past weekend, several Hummers were vandalized at a car dealership in Portland.

The most visible act of car-related political vandalism occurred in 2003, when so-called “eco-arsonists” set blaze to 20 Hummer H2s, valued in total at $3 million, in the eastern suburbs of Los Angeles. The vandals targeted the Hummer—the vehicle that for many symbolizes gas-guzzling and disregard for the environment. Several vehicles were spray-painted with graffiti slogans, including “Fat, Lazy Americans”, and daubed with the letters ELF, which stands for Earth Liberation Front, a radical fringe ecological group, which claimed responsibility for the attacks.

This past weekend, several Hummers were vandalized at a car dealership in Portland. Vandals poured chemicals on the Hummers, causing damage to the vehicle’s body. Portland police and the FBI are investigating.


  • Tom Degan

    A few months ago I wrote on my blog that, being a tad crazy myself (in a lovable and endearing way, I assure you) I have the ability to pick up on the crazy vibe of others. Some people have a subtle, barely perceptible form of craziness – others have crazy to spare. Our boy Glenn is in the latter category. He likes to describe himself as the modern day equivalent of Howard Beale, the character played by the late actor Peter Finch in the 1976 film “Network”. It’s an apt comparison when you think about it:

    He’s mad as hell.

    The first fact that struck me when researching the Beck biography was the day of his birth – February 10, 1964 – the day before his ideological soul mate, Sarah Palin, was born. Isn’t that interesting! Just what the hell were they feeding those kids in the maternity wards of American hospitals forty-five years ago? Later on that same year, the GOP would nominate Barry “In your guts you know he’s nuts” Goldwater as their standard bearer. Coincidence? I wonder….

    http://www.tomdegan.blogspot.com

    Tom Degan, Goshen, NY

  • Robrobrob

    If we would use nuclear energy, if we would drill for our oil. Then we wouldn’t need big brother Obama telling us what cars to drive or when we can heat our homes… I am tired of the politically correct and the environmental nuts always telling me what to do.

    Liberals are only liberal when it comes to sex and drugs… in every other way they want everyone to do what they want. I pretty much hate liberals.

    I agree with Glenn Beck on most things… get the heck out of my wallet and my business you Obamamaniacs you!

  • Meeker

    This is one reason why I probably won’t get a Prius. I don’t want to be lumped into that mess of keying and egging. There are other reasons … mainly size, rear view visibility, but I haven’t made up my mind yet.

    I drove a family member’s Prius to a friend’s house that I discovered was egged when I came out later that night. It seemed like it was thrown from a moving car on the road, so it might have been kids targeting several cars, but it could’ve also been Prius related. I’m not gonna throw eggs at Hummers though … I’m not as moronic as Glen Beck listeners. And all that does is have them retaliate.

    I will probably still get a hybrid. Yes, they are more expensive … but it’s pushing car makers to build cars that don’t run on oil. It’s still hard to pass up a car that gets 50 MPG. Hopefully, there will be more models that can do that sooner than later.

  • Todd

    I love Glenn Beck. And I own a Honda Civic hybrid 2003. I will never buy a Honda hybrid again. Before this car I was a die-hard Honda fanatic for their dependability and resale value. Through my own experience and reading of other’s experiences, the Civic Hybrid is a dud. But for no other reason that hybrid batteries don’t last forever and when they go, all that gas savings is lost with the replacement costs. So unlike conventional engines where you can drive them to the wheels fall off without buying a new car…a hybrid forces you to buy again before the hybrid battery fails OR lose all the fuel savings by purchasing a new hybrid battery. This doesn’t even go into the other mechancial issues the Civic Hybrid has.

  • Anonymous

    Yes it is a shame these two popular voices do not advocate for Plug-in Hybrids. I am not sure why, except possibly since the dreaded liberals are for them, then they must be against them.

    My car gets 30 miles per gallon highway, and I look with envy at all the Priuses that are getting about 50 MPG. To me, converting to domestic fuel is a matter of national security, but they do not get it. And I have no idea why.

  • TD

    I’ve been driving a hybrid for a year and have had no one egging my car. Maybe you just live in a bad neighborhood like Ballard in Seattle where the alleged egging incidents took place.

    One reason I bought a hybrid was to reduce the amount of money I send to oil sheiks who then send the money to terrorists. Let’s face it most of the oil in the world comes from the middle east and it’s the oil money in the middle east which funds terrorism.

    Does opting not to send more money to terrorists make me a liberal or a conservative?

  • Anonymous

    Todd,

    Nothing lasts forever, including regular civic cars. To generalize all hybrid cars are not reliable/worthy because of batteries, think again. How does 500K+ km sound? That’s what a prius taxi achieved.

    But of course just like any other vehicles, everyone’s experience will vary. Experience tells us that most people have very reliable results with prius, and toyota has backed it up with 8 year warranty. Now that’s kind of warranty you won’t see from regular cars.

    Going back to the article, if no one wants hybrid, why is prius is such short supply? Has Glen been hiding in the caves all these years to miss that giant white elephant? Maybe Glen and Rush have been too busy taking big oil money to notice.

  • Anonymous

    i must say the vandalism on the hummer turned out quite well, i see a handsome horse appearing next to the tail light ;-)

  • Jeddy

    Glen Beck is a tool and one of the biggest loud-mouth, outspoken morons in history.

    Glen shows that the neanderthal didn’t die out, it’s still alive and well in modern society …

  • Tyler Graham

    The two things that I think are being forgotten with all this politics is that the there is actually enjoyment in owning a hybrid and let’s be real, cars have never been a great investment. I’ve had my Prius for 5 years and although it was slightly more expensive, I have all the latest technologies and satisfaction of getting over 45 miles to the gallon. With navigation, blue tooth, keyless start, climate control, etc., most cars cost at least 27,000 and up… Yet, the Prius offers the best gas mileage as well.

    My second point is that people put options in their cars all the time that easily cost as much, if not more, than the hybrid system. While you do eventually have battery costs, the resale value of the vehicles is relatively high due to the efficiency.

    Lastly, I think its pretty pathetic that the American car companies have nothing to match the Prius. It might not be in Glenn Beck’s top ten, but when you can’t keep a product in stock for several years, you’d think someone in the U.S. automotive industry might have noticed the demand and acted on it. I’d love to buy American, there just aren’t any options that are equal or better then my 5 year old 2nd generation Prius.

  • IMAMike

    As a moderate-conservative, I find it offensive to be lumped in with environmental radicals. Hence one of the reasons I’m an independent moderate-conservative now an no longer a “Republican.” My two big arguments are that I’d still rather send my extra money to Japan, a country that is at least friendly toward US interests, and invest in new technology even if I never fully recover the investment in a hybrid. Supporting middle eastern and leftist governments that despise America and her interests just so one can affordably drive a gas guzzler is truly un-American (Rush “I never get more than 12 miles to a gallon” Limbaugh, anyone?).
    Secondly, just because oil is there doesn’t mean we should be in a all-out rush to use it. I’ve gotten several chain emails recently talking about the vast amounts of oil available in the western US and Alaska that place blame on environmentalists for making this oil “that the vast majority of Americans want” off limits. Even if the oil is readily extractable, why make a bum rush to use it with the self-control of a child that insists on eating dessert before dinner? The whole “it’s available, so use it up” materialistic mentality is what got us into this precarious financial position in the first place.

  • GR

    Hey Glen,

    You’re kind of a douche. Just in case no one has told you that already.

  • Sammo

    People like Glenn Beck can be summed up in the quote by John Stuart Mill: “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”

  • Stan Smart

    My ’05 Honda Accord Hybrid has been 100% reliable … and FUN to drive. I have a 10-year/
    80,000 miler warranty on the battery/ motor. Where’s the problem?

    I agree … as a conservative (and decidedly NOT a tree-hugger) I do not want to send dollars to our mideast enemies!

  • Jeddy

    Prius 2010 owner. I’m rockin’ with 4.2 l/100 km even when climbing hills.

    Beck is a moron. I haven’t filled since the third week of August.

  • Hybrid_Driver

    Hey Stan, I have an Accord too with almost 70,000 trouble free miles with an average of 33 MPG. That car is soooo nice. I would never buy a Prius unless they figured out how to get the instrument gauge in front of the driver and stuck a manual transmission in it.

    BTW, I am also not a tree huger and furthermore believe the folks that are die hard global warmers have finally found a religion they believe in. When you belong to a religion you generally have to have faith and you global warming types have so much blind faith it makes me sick. The leaders perpetuating global warming are making it so they will profit from it. Open your eyes will you! Geez.

    Subsidies for electric and hybrid vehicles are a waste of my tax dollars. I can’t wait till the next election cycle. Republican or Democrat? I don’t care, your outta there!

    So I think you all might see where I’m coming from and I urge you to THINK FOR YOURSELF AND USE A LITTLE LOGIC, PLEASE! And quit telling me what I should buy. I got hybrid to save on gas because I don’t want my money going to thugs. This is also why I stay away from using unions too.

    So Glenn Beck. I don’t like it when he bashes hybrids and I don’t condone egging Hummers.

    Anyway, while I don’t agree with Glenn Beck on everything I think he has much more common sense than the radical left. I’m an independent thinker and if that makes me a Neanderthal, then so be it. Come to think of it I guess that makes me a racist too according to Jimmy Carter.

    You people on the radical left better watch out because when the pendulum swings back you better duck.

    Now I feel better.

  • Jeddy

    Oops … since 2001.

    Still annoyed at right wing Fox News pundits that know nothing … yet ascribe to know everything.

    Put your money where you mouth is like I have.

    Have you?

  • Crut100

    I usually like Glen Beck but he’s way out there on this one, although he does make one good point. Why are there incentives on hybrid cars when the average salary of a buyer is over $100K???? Hybrids do get better mileage than their non-hybrid counterparts and whether you are a tree hugger or not, I think we can all agree that reducing our reliance on oil supplies for a part of the world that hates us is not a bad thing. I mean, after all, when you think about it, just about every time you fill up your tank you are either funding terrorism or giving money to that idiot Hugo Chavez. If we can cut funding to them and clean up the environment then by all means sign me up for hybrid – or a nice diesel like the Jetta which gets hybrid like mileage!!

  • RandalH

    You do have to wonder, in an age of trillion dollar deficits, why we’re giving tax breaks to the wealthy. I thought those were supposed to end with the new administration.

  • jacrom

    What Glen Beck and is ilk do not get is this: By spending a bit more than I would have to spend on leather, and chrome rims, he could become one of millions who say yes to the technology of tomorrow. Driving a Prius makes one realize that there is something better, a 21st century car that shuts off it’s engine in traffic, and can still maintain optimal economy in slow moving traffic. A car that people will soon be able to plug to replace dollars ona the gallon wit pennies to the mile with electricity that can come from any source we chose (nuclear, wind, hydro… and yes natural gas). By showing support for this technology to make it mainstream americans can drive to work without generating a toxic orange haze in our atmosphere, which costs billions on health care costs anually, and by not sending money to terrorists who can wreck our economy with one missile launch. Glenn Beck and is ilk- as ther do with so many other ciritcal issues of the day – simply do not get it. One could say they have no problem being anti patriotic…

  • jacrom

    What Glen Beck and is ilk do not get is this: By spending a bit more than I would have to spend on leather, and chrome rims, he could become one of millions who say yes to the technology of tomorrow. Driving a Prius makes one realize that there is something better, a 21st century car that shuts off it’s engine in traffic, and can still maintain optimal economy in slow moving traffic. A car that people will soon be able to plug to replace dollars on a the gallon with pennies to the mile… electricity that can come from any source we chose (nuclear, wind, hydro… and yes natural gas). By showing support for this technology to make it mainstream, Americans can drive to work without generating a toxic orange haze in our atmosphere, which costs billions on health care costs anually, and by not sending money to terrorists who can wreck our economy with one missile launch. Glenn Beck and is ilk- as they sadly do with so many other ciritcal issues of the day – simply do not get it. One could say they have no problem being anti patriotic…

  • sean t

    Glenn Who?

  • Rob70

    I own a 2010 prius and paid only $22,600, For such a basic edition, it has all the features only a high end model will have. I get 53 miles a gallon and love to drive it. It is a coooool car and always there is a excitement to get the best gas mileage for every fill up. I think Prius is not a car; it is a platform for the next gen cars. Whatever the source of energy we use, a hybrid will be a good choice, since it captures energy which will be lost otherwise. Glen has no idea what he is talking about and the tax credit has helped normal person like me to own a Prius.

  • alancamp

    Is this site turning into ‘another’ platform for small pocket of political nut jobs? ‘Traditional’ media has already lost all credibility. The more you ‘quote’ them the nut jobs, the more they act out to be quoted or to get media coverage. Ignorance is not news, it’s just ignorance.

  • steved28

    I bought my hybrid 2 years ago. Last I checked Obama was not in office then. And I received a tax credit.

  • greenearthautoservice

    Wow, I always thought I was a die hard conservative republican. Those pathetic losers beck and limpbaugh have no clue what it means to work for a living. They make us all look bad and it is embarrasing. Furthermore I bought a Prius for $12k used cause I didn’t want to continue to pay for fuel unnecessarily. It’s a tough little car and I have yet to get less than 50 mpg… and I drive it like I stole it. The thing never breaks, is cheap to maintain, is comfortable, is pretty quick, has more room than my Dad’s chevy, has a great stereo!?!

  • Samie

    You always have to blame someone and keep the message simple to distract people from real issues. Thoughtless rhetoric can be dangerous to our republic maybe some need to go back to 3rd grade to find out why we fought for independence against Britain….

    One thought I must say anyone who says they are a big fan of… & agrees w/ everything that ….. says that is from a conservative radio shock jock, those listeners are simply idiots or need to step out into the real world were issues are a bit more complex and require thought. All I hear on radio & cable shows is stupid I’m right your wrong because I said so kindergartner talk. Sorry that is not to bash people who are real conservatives who I respect and hope someday can regain control from the nut jobs who are running the party.

    I should not have to mention the contradictions in Becks statements w/ some car policies from the last Administration or the fact he is trying to sell people on not paying for environmental costs that for the most part are hidden from most American consumers. Also Beck realizes that in a few years the income level he is talking about will not hold or who hybrids are stereotypically marketed to will have no relevance as a blanketed general statement. Its not about conservative principles or thoughtful opinions its really about those who run DC and what lobby groups Mr. Beck wants to protect not the general welfare of the people……….

  • Robcares

    How again is it that Glen Beck is relevant to any subject? He has a degree in anything related to these issues? No he is merely a T.V. version of a “Shock Jock”, as evidenced by the volume of traffic on this wed site. Glen is in the business of selling what his advertisers want to sell and anyone else willing to pony up to get their point across.

    We have hundreds of oil leases sitting unused in this country to drill for oil. The oil companies don’t want to drill here for two reasons;

    1) It costs much less to drill and ship from the middle east, so why drill here.

    2) The oil companies are playing us so we will let them drill anywhere.

    Cap and trade is in fact a concoction of the conservative right as a compromise to the original plan of taxing fuel at the pump. Think about it, it’s a free market concept. I’ve heard the comments about how it is some sort of a get rich scheme by Al Gore, however no one has been able to explain how that will happen. If you really understand the concept, then you know how silly that sounds.

    Those of us in the earth sciences have known for more than thirty years that man is contributing to global climate change, period. Consider for just a moment, what if your wrong and all of us have been right all this time? If we’re wrong, than there really is no harm done, we use less oil that will run out some day. However if your wrong, then millions will die and the planet is damaged beyond recovery. It really is a no brain-er, but that seams to be going around a lot these days, “No Brainer’s” talking a lot through their pie hole.

  • Mr. Fusion

    I didn’t realize you’re “wealthy” when you buy a mid 20k car.

    Anyone speaking out against alternative power sources is just voicing oil’s death rattle.

  • Billy Carter

    My brother drives a hybred. It is the perfect car for him because he is retarded and the car is really really slow. You don’t want people of his handicap going too fast.

  • IndyPaul

    People don’t want hybrids. http://www.sacbee.com/business/story/2117337.html “Cash for Clunker’s didn’t boost hybrid sales”

  • David Seth

    I’m a conservative republican Prius owner because I’d rather give jobs to auto-workers in the US than buy more gas from Middle-eastern wacko governments and South American dictators. For me, it’s also more about saving money, not saving the environment. Surely, conservatives favor being good stewards of their personal finances as we also favor an administration that would eliminate the federal deficit and live within our nation’s means.

  • Anonymous

    If people wanted hybrid cars, or if hybrid cars were practical they would sell themselves and not rely on tax credits.

  • Hatson Sauniel

    Rush Limbaugh is right. The green movement would not exist if it wasn’t a political movement.

    Also the biggest joke of all time is passing off Global Warming as fact, because as any scientist knows experiments must yield the same results every time before facts can be determined. That is simply not the case for Global Warming.

  • JJspawn

    I know in the DC area, generally the people who make good money generally do not live close to where they actually work. So, who has the money and reason to get these hybrids… And guess what, we have some of the worst traffic in the country, so you really can get the most out of a car that has higher mpg at lower mph.

    Then if you do live in the city you have a fairly good transit system and just use the car for weekends and trips to the store. So why buy a new car until the wheels fall off your current one.

  • Lost Prius to wife

    Everyone has the right to their opinion, whether they are right or wrong.

    There are people out there that still do not believe that we have put a man on the moon. There are people out there that do not believe that CO2 at 0.384 parts per million can have a 25% effect on the weather and warming (50% if one excludes water vapor/cloud affects). As I write, I know of one coworker that believes that oil is still being made under our feet at the same rate that we are taking it out. Therefore, he believes that we have no reason to worry about running out of oil. To him, there will be plenty of oil for our kids, grandkids, great grandkids, and beyond.

    It does not matter if one does not have any facts or skews the facts to support ones opinion. You are still entitled to that opinion. It just does not look as good for one when others can look at the same facts and see that one has no facts to support their opinion or have deliberately skewed the facts to fit their opinion.

    Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh have their opinions which I feel have distorted the facts.

    Rush Limbaugh’s opinion, “Nobody’s buying ‘em. Nobody wants them. The manufacturers are making them in droves to satisfy Obama”, does not fit the facts of the 2009 Frankfurt Auto Show. Yes, many of the cars are no more than concept cars and will never be production cars. But would every car manufacture, or any car manufacture, produce or spend large amounts of money on any concept hybrid cars without the idea of producing a production hybrid in the future? Also, are all the foreign made hybrids, the ones that are being shown and sold in Europe and Asia, being produced “in droves to satisfy Obama”? Money talks and it is saying a hybrid future at the Frankfurt show. And I can guarantee that the hybrids being produced and sold in Europe and Asia are not being done so just to satisfy Obama.

    Glen Beck’s comment, “Do you know the average household income of a hybrid buyer is over $113,000?”, makes it sound like every hybrid household makes $113,000 when quite the opposite is true. For every household income of $226,000 that buys a hybrid it requires four household incomes of $56,500 or eight household incomes of $28,250 to balance the $226,000 out at the “$113,000 average household income”. For every household income of $452,000 that buys a hybrid it requires eight household incomes of $56,500 or sixteen household incomes of $28,250 to balance the ledger at “$113,000 average household income”. Glen Beck’s comment makes it sound like every hybrid household earns “$113,000” when in reality probably less than 75% of the households earn $113,000. Now it becomes obvious that the tax incentives are actually for the poorer people in the economy and not just the wealthy like Glen Beck says. But people will blindly accept Glen Beck’s comments without thinking or realizing that he has really distorted a fact.

    Everyone has the right to their opinion. But everyone else should examine those opinions and facts of others (even mine) before accepting them as having truth in them.

  • Mr.Bear

    You know, I was just as liberal when I drove my 20mpg Jeep Wrangler as I am now driving my 55mpg Prius. The only the only thing that has changed: I hit the gas station every two weeks versus every 4 days.

    I’m pretty sure I know which make more economic sense. I thought you neo-cons where supposed to be into saving money. Oh yeah, that’s the traditional conservatives. Neo-cons mindlessly moralize and don’t care about anything else.

  • Robert01

    Nobody wants hybrids? I beg to differ. Seems like plenty of Americans–as in tens of MILLIONS–really, really want affordable hybrids, including myself. Glenn Beck needs to disappear from television.

  • Tyranny Gov

    This pathetic article makes it sound like someone is going to start pushing for Hybrids to become a protected group, covered by Hate Crimes legislation.

    I have no problem with Hybrids, but lets be HONEST about the benefits and drawbacks.

  • Zenfar

    Don’t bash the hybrids and don’t egg the Hummers. Is it that hard to be moderate? Left and right aren’t the only choices.

  • Darryl Duffe

    To me, fuel efficiency is mostly about self sufficiency and reducing dependence on foreign oil so we don’t have to have leaders lie to us with bogus reasons for going to war. As far as tax credits for rich people, I’m not rich, I’ve never made $100,000 (maybe in two years combined). I don’t think the government owes me anything for chosing a more frugal vehicle, so I did not use the tax credits and I got a Civic Hybrid because it looks like the regular Civic and therefore doesn’t call attention as something in a special class wearing environmentalism on its sleeve. I average about 44 mpg but in the right condidtions I have gotten up to 55 mpg. Unlike Beck, I’m educated and I’m a non-alcoholic, so I never needed to be “in recovery” or had to adopt a new religion for an “illness” that I don’t have. I think the popularity of Beck is a symptom of the American illness of poor critical thinking skills and the country is in desparate need of an education intervention….but then you can’t fix stupid, so it may never work. May a humongous ACORN fall from a mighty oak and land upon his weeping head. This country has already suffered under the idiocy of one dry drunk for 8 years.

  • John Corbin

    FORMER hybrid Owner.

    WORST. CAR. DECISION. EVER.

    I did the math finally. There is NO WAY to economically justify a hybrid. The extra cost is multiples of the gas and energy savings. There is NO way an ordinary American (who earns less than $50K a year (more than half the population)) can afford these machines, no matter how well made they are.

    And don’t go on with the subsidies and tax rebates and the like – that’s all stolen money to make the eco-fascists feel good.

  • Red

    I am a constitutional conservative, hardcore and I drive a Prius, (As well as my turbo diesel pickup). I like Glen Besk but he is wrong on this one. Our 2004 Prius has 115,000 mikes on it and it works flawlessly. It gets abour 45 miles per gallon and when I fold down the back seat, I can haul my 110 pound Lab or a several baskets of groceries from Costco.

    As a law enforcement officer I have never heard of vandalism to Prius cars. I, like most cops carry concealed. I have a solar power bumper sticker. Who would think a Prius driver would be carrying. Big surprise!

  • wailes j blalock jr

    NUTS!!!

  • Ronnie

    “Well, it’s not that our liberal friends are stupid, it’s just that so much of what they know just isn’t so.”

    Truer words of wisdom have never been spoken – Thanks RR

  • Accord Driver

    A lot of the electric cars and some hybrids look just plain dumb. If car makers would just give them a brawn rather than bubble cars this probably would not be a debate. I drive a Honda Accord Hybrid that looks normal up close and from a distance. I cannot tell you how much I love that car and when Glenn or any of the others poo poo hybrids it makes me cringe. Not all hybrids are dumb looking. The Ford Fusion looks like a sweet ride and there are many other models just around the corner that look and perform even better.

    I drive a hybrid so I don’t burn so much gas from countries that don’t like us and I’ve not fallen into the global warming hoax.

    I would never purchase some of the cars featured on this site. Like that Nission Leaf, what a joke.

  • Charles

    What tax credits for Prius. Toyota went through their allotment a long time ago. Honda was next, and Ford’s end RSN.

    So all those 2007-2010 Prius owners did not get a tax credit.

  • Geotrader

    The thing that you are missing with the “plug-in” hybrids is that they use ELECTRICITY to operate. The environmental cost of generating the electricity is almost as bad as the fossil fuels used to run car engines. This does not include the fact that the batteries that the hybrids/electric vehicles run on are not yet recycleable and would devestate the environment.

    If you want a hybrid, buy one. The 20 MPG gas savings should offset the additional cost. Just don’t expect me ot sunsidize your purchase.

  • scientist

    In response to “how it is some sort of a get rich scheme by Al Gore, however no one has been able to explain how that will happen”…Al Gore has invested $6 million in venture capitalism fund to a Cap ‘n Trade software company Hara Software. Currently the market for such software is in the low billion dollar range and expected to explode to tens of billion if Cap n’ Trade is enacted. You have your answer.

  • Geotrader

    Loser. If you can’t add anything salient to the conversation then SHUT UP.

    The issue with hybrids is not that they exist and people are buying them (or not buying them, which is the current situation). It is that we who don’t want to subsidize the purchase of these vehicles, especially for the well-off people who are buying them.

  • David Andreasen

    My 2006 Aveo averaged 40mpg (new $10,500) on the trip to DC. My friends $22,000 P***s averages 48mpg. And as for the evironmental benefits of the P***s, what happens to all those toxic heavy metals in the battery at ‘recycling’ time?

  • Kenwelder

    warranty would be over in 5 years under normal every day driving.

  • Intrepid

    Before I accepted your opinion, I followed your advice and checked your facts. It turns out they were incorrect. Your statement “For every household income of $226,000 that buys a hybrid it requires four household incomes of $56,500 or eight household incomes of $28,250 to balance the $226,000 out at the “$113,000 average household income”.

    If you have one income of $226,000 and four incomes of $56,500 the average would be $90,400. (4x 56,500) + 226,000 / 5 = 90,400.

    One income of $226,000 and eight incomes of $28,250 has an average of $50,222.22. (8x 28,250) + 226,000 / 9 = 50222.22

    Naturally your next statement was also flawed with the same bad math. One income of $452,000 and eight incomes of $56,500 yields an average of $100,444.44 – closer to the $113,000 we are shooting for but still short of the mark. One $452,000 income averaged with sixteen $28,250 incomes would come to $53,176.47.

  • Jbertine

    I have owned a Prius since 2002 and currently own a 2nd Gen (2004). The 2004 now has 102,532 miles. Total gas bill thus far since purchasing this car has been $6,125 or $0.16/mile. The car is paid for and maintenance expenses are very low, probably because of Toyota reliability in service. I average 46.2 miles per gallon since owning this car. Until something more economical comes about, I will continue driving a Prius!

    It is my strong belief that since the press NEVER has gotten this technology reported correctly, it was slow to take off. But now–people want this ‘change’ because it does make sense.

    I love Beck, but like everything else, I make my own decisions (right or wrong) because I have the freedom to do so. Thank you Toyota for developing a wonderful vehicle.

  • ELF destroyer

    That’s fine and good Tom, but it doesn’t take away from the fact that Glenn is right, whether you like it or not. It makes you less credible when you call someone who is telling the truth a wacko – it shows you have an agenda. There is a very low demand for Hybrids, and there was a relatively low demand back when gas prices were up. They’re just not good enough yet, maybe some day they will be, but not yet – especially considering that you probably have to pay about $5K for a new battery a few years down the road.

  • T Rav

    Great way of saying absolutly nothing. Did I say enough to call me crazy too…

  • JR

    I am a church-going formal bleeding-heart liberal who, in my middle years, turned conservative and – are you ready? – I love Glenn Beck. Okay, he’s a little out there sometimes, but he makes sense to me…most of the time.

    I also own a Prius. I work out of town and needed a car that got the best mileage I could get, (so far between 40-45mpg). And, living in California where Kern County is #1 in the nation for air pollution, I thought the low emissions was a bonus and it was one small thing I could do for the environment. I am not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination. (I make just under $50,000/yr.) So I’m not sure where all this rhetoric about this being just another example of the gov’t giving tax credits to the wealthy is coming from. It’s a very broad statement that, at least in my mind, has kinda missed the mark. Do I hold that against Glenn? No. Why should I? Will I get another hybrid? Probably. Mr. Beck does not run my life – I do. Will I continue to listen to him? You bet!

  • 9691

    And I don’t like Republican Canisters like you. You all are nothing but warmongers hiding behind a religious face.

  • rcronk

    Ironically, the Hummer *from design to junkyard* has significantly LOWER energy costs ($1.949/mile) than hybrids do (around $3.20/mile). (source: “Have You Hugged Your Hummer Today” – reason.org/news/show/122517.html) This means it takes more energy to design and manufacture a hybrid on average than you save in gasoline costs. That’s pretty funny huh? From the link:

    “…the energy costs of disposing a Hummer are 60 percent less than an average hybrid’s and its design and development costs are 80 percent less. One of the most perverse things about U.S. consumers buying hybrids is that while this might reduce air pollution in their own cities, they increase pollution — and energy consumption — in Japan and other Asian countries where these cars are predominantly manufactured. ‘In effect, they are exporting pollution and energy consumption,’ Spinella says.”

    Once again, we have a situation where superficial appearances trump reality and end up making things worse.

  • AlexZander

    ” In truth, when pick-up trucks are removed from the 2008 list, the Toyota Prius ranked No. 10 for sales of passenger vehicles. In April 2008, when gas prices started their steepest ascent, the Prius rose to No. 8.”

    The Top 10 Best-Selling Cars of 2008

    Ford F-Series: 515,513
    Chevy Silverado: 465,065
    Toyota Camry: 436,617
    Honda Accord: 372,789
    Toyota Corolla: 351,007
    Honda Civic: 339,289
    Nissan Altima: 269,668
    Chevy Impala: 265,840
    Dodge Ram: 245,840
    Honda CR-V: 197,279

    Prius 158.9 worldwide sales

    OK, I place third in a race. Eliminate 1st and 2nd place and I win!
    And when the Ketchup ran out, Mustard was the #1 choice!
    Seriously, that’s your argument?

  • Beck supporter

    Lost Prius to wife: Your subsidy argument goes out the window if you consider MEDIAN rather than AVERAGE income. The median income of Prius owners is $92,000. So, half of those Prius buyers who are receiving tax subsidies have incomes of $92,000 or more. Why should they be subsidized???

  • Everyman

    I’m curious. Just where do you think the energy for the Plug-in portion comes from? Butterfly wings perhaps? Most likely, it is from a fossil fuel fired power plant. Exactly what do you suppose is being accomplished other than making yourself feel superior?

  • K

    I read a lot of blogs and see a lot of biased reports, especially on the Web. But to insinuate that there is some sort of anti-Prius violence based on (wait, I’ll go through all of your examples) 9 specific + ‘other attacks’. How many Chevy Cobalts are damaged each year? More? How about Schwinn bicycles? I once saw a Schwinn on campus with two bent rims – but I never saw the article on anti-Schwinn violence!!! I bet the numbers would be astounding! Are you claiming a Prius set on fire in LA was anti-Prius violence? Yeah, it’s probably the only car set on fire in LA in the past few years, so it must be.

    And @Meeker, your car was hit by an egg, therefore, it must have been thrown by a moronic Beck listener? Are you kidding me? You know, once my neighbor was TP’ed; that was probably Beck’s fault too. And once, I was driving and hit a bird while I had the Presidential Debate on the radio… but which candidate is responsible? Yeah, that’s it… they are after you!

    Those accusing Beck of using scare tactics then write an article – *notice: never actually saying there is a rash,* but detailing a few attacks… classic! The reader is left to say “I just read about Priuses, and the rash of violence against them by Glenn Beck listeners!”. I believe this is the definition of the use of scare tactics – exactly and precisely what you accuse Rush and Beck of doing!

    The hypocrisy of the left is amazing!!

    Rush and Beck clearly and plainly say who they are – they are radio talk show hosts, and give their opinion, and they say this. Oberman, MSNBC, NBC, the network news anchorsm the New York Times, etc. etc. say they are reporting the news but are absolutely as biased as Rush and Beck. Before you criticize, try listening for a week and determine for yourself … don’t base your opinion on sound bites and opinion pieces of junk like this article, or the editorial scare section entitled “Fighting Words”.

  • Beck supporter

    Jbertine: Check your math. If you get 46.2 mpg and gas over the life of the car has cost you $0.16 per mile, that means you’ve been paying $7.392 per gallon of gas. A bit high, don’t you think?

  • sri

    Here’s a Jerry seinfield question. If somebody hates conserving the economy, environment, resources and health should he be called a conservative?

    In any case, I don’t see what the big fuzz is about. Honda and Toyota ran out of their credits already. The main beneficiary now is GM. Perhaps Beck wants them to stop producing hybrids and bring in Hummers.

  • Scott

    Typical liberal. Start the name calling because you don’t have anything constructive to say.

  • Jeffrey Coto

    I can see that you are a cool aid drinker, or part of the loony toon left. Your statement is typical of the moronic left who accuse with no information to back it up. If you have VALID reasons for blowviating, then by all means, state your case. State it with facts, not hype or blameing others for your lack of information. Put your facts on the table if you want to be taken seriouslly. Talking trash is nothing more then talking with your heart, not with your head. In the future blowviate with facts, not crap if you want others to believe you. Look at the democrats who are losing ground every day, and ask yourself why that is happening, you might have a rude awakening; and maybe grow-up too.

  • Scott

    WOO HOO!!

  • Raul Diaz-Perera

    Everytime I meet an eco-obsessive person it’s usually somebody making good money. I mean organic food, hybrid cars, fancy gyms, eco-clothes, etc. After losing my job last month I have become a working-class, low-pay American with a college education that can barely afford Winn-Dixie. This eco-green-shit policy is about politics. We need affordable and efficient cars. We need to drill for our own oil and develop other sources of energy, including nuclear, natural gas. Government needs to help Americans to stay middle class. I don’t give a rat’s ass if there are reach people as long as I can have a decent life. Big government is big shit. Ask whoever has lived under a socialist regime and they will tell you. C’mon, wake up!

  • Pat Dempsey

    My aunt and uncle were among first to purchase a Prius, long before the green movement made it popular. The mileage is great…then after about 70,000 miles on the car the battery started to die. Their battery is supposed to be good for 100,000 miles. They towed the car back to the dealership and the battery was not replaced, apparently just charged. They have had several incidents where the car won’t start because of the dead battery but have continually been put off by Toyota and they are approaching 90,000 miles. Toyota still refuses to replace the battery. Toyota appears to be trying to put them off until the car reaches the 100,000 mark at which time they will no longer be obligated to replace the battery. Doesn’t sound so good!

  • Jim from Dakota

    You can usually tell when a liberal knows they’re wrong but won’t admit it; they begin the name calling to those who disagree with them rather than continue down the road of civil discussion of the facts. If they happen to belong to any race other than caucasian, they generally follow-suit by advising their adversary that the fact they disagree also means they’re racist. It’s tiring.

  • Artie

    Liberals seem to have the attitude that anyone who disagrees with them are idiots and do not have the right of express their dissenting opinions. This is not what I would expect from someone who is truly “liberal.”

    The intolerance of anyone who disagrees with you, as expressed by many of you here in these comments, is EXACTLY why I left the Democratic Party years ago.

    When you cannot refute the arguments of an intelligent person such as Glen Beck, you take to name-calling. I have no desire to be associated a party that seems to be dominated by such likes. Such behavior is even seen at the Congressional level. Demean the person and if that doesn’t work, lie about them. Are your arguments really that weak? I thought you were supposed to be the party of the intelligentsia and academia. Is that the best you have, lies and name-calling?

    Happily I am an ex-Democrat.

  • Ed Abraham

    Whare do you live?…………………..Just kidding!

  • Clair – Texas – Import

    Am I the only person who notices that all these auto vandalism incidents named in this article seem to have happend in a place that many regard as having a rather high number of Kooks, Crazies, Idiots, Self Absorbed Morons… and so on? Are we REALLY surprised that these self same Kooks, Crazies, Idiots, and Self Absorbed Morons run around committing immature acts of vandalism that would make a goof off teenager proud? You know what? If you Love your Hybrid, Wonderful! If you love your gas guzzling SUV, Magic! Just do me a favour? If you Feel like you need to start lecturing me for or against whatever I want to drive… Please, Go to California? We prefer intelligent people who respect the rights and choices of others, and wouldn’t dream of trying to force their ideals on others, just because they have differing philosphies..

  • Artie

    Liberals seem to have the attitude that anyone who disagrees with them are idiots and do not have the right of express their dissenting opinions. This is not what I would expect from someone who is truly “liberal.”

    The intolerance of anyone who disagrees with you, as expressed by many of you here in these comments, is EXACTLY why I left the Democratic Party years ago.

    When you cannot refute the arguments of an intelligent person such as Glen Beck, you take to name-calling. I have no desire to be associated a party that seems to be dominated by such likes. Such behavior is even seen at the Congressional level. Demean the person and if that doesn’t work, lie about them. Are your arguments really that weak? I thought you were supposed to be the party of the intelligentsia and academia. Is that the best you have, lies and name-calling?

    Happily I am an ex-Democrat.

  • Jane Rasmussen

    Kids next door, just bought their second Prius. I’m jealous of their over 40 miles per gallon. I’ve no idea what a new battery would cost. but i’d say worth it. Gas will go up again soon & shortages and believe worse then ever.

  • Tom the Old Curmudgeon

    I own two vehicles, a 98 Dodge Dakota and a 97 Mercury Cougar with a 4.6 liter engine. Both are paid for. I just spent $3,500.00 getting both into top condition. Both are American made and are now going to last me another ten years. The Mercury will leave these slow-ass hybrids in the dust and I can fit one ofthem into the bed of my pickup. Keep your tree-hugging ugly little eco-cars and all the other California wackos and leave the REAL cars to the rest of us.

  • Artie

    I agree Jim, it is very tiring and just plain boring. It is so predictable!

  • Anonymous

    “In a comedy routine on his radio program, Beck said: “Last year, when gas prices hit their all-time highs, at over $4 a gallon, of the top ten best-selling cars of 2008, exactly none of them were hybrids, not even the hero of the environmental universe, the Toyota Prius.” In truth, WHEN PICK-UP TRUCKS ARE REMOVED from the 2008 list, the Toyota Prius ranked NUMBER TEN [in a list of 10] for sales of passenger vehicles. In April 2008, when gas prices started their steepest ascent, the Prius rose to No. 8.”

    So you remove things from the list and you make it to dead last.

    CONGRATU-FRICKIN-LATIONS

    Must feel good to exclude things, just so you can make it to 10th place.

  • Artie

    I agree Jim.
    It is tiring, predictable and just plain boring.

  • Clair – Texas – Import

    So ya couldn’t find anything he has said that you could prove wrong, and ya decided to follow the usual knee-jerk “I’m a Liberal Elitist and cannot be expected to actually have a rational argument to put up against someone who disagrees with me” reaction! Huh!

    How about, as exciteable as Glenn Beck is… he has had more positive effect on people in this country than any Self serving Liberal or Conservative politician in decades has…. Got anything to put up agains that one? No? didn’t think so… so.. what is it going to be…? “You are obviously a right wing conservative freak who wants to kill black people and stop women from having rights!”?! or will you toss out what has to be the all time most pathetic lack of rational thought …”You just hate having a Black man as President!!”

  • Ken reilly

    I’m glad you like your Prius, I am a mechaninc for a public utility that bought about a dozen Escape hybirds, only because of the alternative fuel tax break, they basicall have the same drive train as the Prius. I hate hybrids having had to work on them. Ford builds a gas version of their Focus in Europe that gets 50mpg but our US government won’t let them import it to America. My mother owns an 09 Focus that has all the technologies you mention, coasts about 7k less than the Prius, gets 30+ mpg and will run circles around any Prius. You can by the VW cleab diesel jetta that gets 50mpg, costs between 18k and 23k and will run rings around any Prius. So I say keep your over sized golf cart.

  • Ken Reilly

    I work on Hybrids, Escapes that is and they have the same basic drive train because there is not many different mans. who make them. I got one thing to say about hybrids, JUNK. If you want good fuel milage by a VW clean diesel Jetta, 50mpg and will run rings around any hybrid made. Prius’ are only for those who wnat to stick their nose into everyones face saying “look at me I’m cleaning the earth” They are over priced, underpower, oversized golf carts. Yes I have driven many. Personally I prefer to drive my V8 power mustang GT and don’t care how much fuel I burn, in fact I hope more of you by hybrids to give me more gas to burn.

  • Red Hybrid

    Hey Tom “the Old Curmudgeon”,

    I’ll race my Honda Accord Hybrid against your Mercury Cougar with a 4.6 liter any day. Prepare to get smoked and I don’t think it will fit into your pickup box either.

  • Red Hybrid

    Hey Tom “the Old Curmudgeon”,

    I’ll race my Honda Accord Hybrid against your Mercury Cougar with a 4.6 liter any day. Prepare to get smoked and I don’t think it will fit into your pickup box either.

  • Darren

    This artical is kinda confusing. Am I suppose to feel bad for the Prius or the Hummer? I mean, it sounds like the H2 took a pounding in 2003 far worse and by an identifiable organization (ELF). What ‘group’ was responsible for vandalism on the Prius?

    Also, since when is the type of car you buy a political decision? Some guy (in 2005….wow) likes the Prius and will buy another then claims ” I am a conservative, church-attending Christian. I love Rush Limbaugh and support George Bush”.

    Who actually talks like that????

  • jeremy

    Hybrids don’t even make sense. Do you realize that it will take 20 years (that’s with gas at $4.00 a gallon) to make up the price difference in a regular car with similar features! So anyone who says they bought a hybrid because they were tired of spending so much at the pump is either a liar or an idiot!

    I also liked how the writer of this article just decided to tweak the sales number to suit their own need. “When you take out trucks” hmm… did SUVs fall under “trucks”?

    Quit pushing some baloney agenda down our throats. I’ll keep driving my Malibu and enjoy getting great mileage on a great American made car for years to come! 70,000 miles on it, and not one problem! Oh, and I get 30mpg city btw too!

  • JFS

    I got my 2001 Prius in the fall of 2000 for $20,000 including tags, title, license. I’ve got 80,000 miles on it. Except for a fuel valve replacement and soon to be two water pumps, I’ve had no mechanical complaints. It has averaged 42 mpg (better in summer, worse in winter), hauling all sorts of things and people–fieldstone, bags of cement, 2 x 4 x 10′s and furniture on the roof. No problems.

    OK, I “only” saved around $3,000, so far, on fuel, compared to something getting 27 or 28 mpg. But its still running fine after 9 years, with no noticeable drop off in efficiency. So I got a reliable car at a perfectly reasonable price. Subtracting savings so far, it’s price to compare back in 2000 is around $17,000, and dropping.

    Sure I could have bought something cheaper and invested the $$$ I saved in something safe like the stock market [wink] like people were saying: “hey, if you set aside that $2,000 extra, and invest it, you’ll be rich enough in a decade to pay for all the extra gas!” Yeah, guys, hope that one worked out well for you.

    Seriously, go ahead and tell me what I could have gotten in 2000 that would have served me better. Make sure it can carry 5 adults in comfort, and a pile o crud on the roof. I like my prius. Plus, because I do actual work with it, if someone eggs it or keys it, its not going to look so different than it does right now. If you want to get a status symbol that can’t possibly be damaged by punks, try a gemstone, not a car.

  • Jason

    I laugh at the comment in the article from the republican that chose to pay extra money at the dealership to get a sub par car that allwed them to not pay so much at the dealership. I am glad this person is not my financial advisor because they made a bad investment!

  • Anonymous

    They dont make a Honda Accord Hybrid in a manual, and Im pretty confident that his cougar had a clutch. That makes you dead in the water.

    Whats next? Your un-upgradable Mac out performs my custom PC?

    Whadda Maroon.

  • Big H

    JFS,

    In 2002, you could have bought a Vw Jetta TDI like I did, around $17,500 (price without the SALES TAX). I get 30+ around town, my best (NY to PA) 47.4 MPG. THATS NOT AN AVERAGE, and I had 3 kids and the wife in the car. You might think Diesel…Dirty, but a diesel puts out less Co2 than a gas. The new Benz, Audi and VW take care of the particals and are as clean, if not cleaner, than gas. Also, by the time the Prius is sending its juice to the wheels, a TDI has your head pin to the head rest and your eyes at the right angle to see the Prius getting smaller and smaller in the mirror and no stopping for 500+ miles.

    The BATTERY cars have their place in the sun in the inner city, so I would not complain about them if they are used in a city, but when you see a battery going 60-65 on a 95 INTERSTATE, people have the wrong idea. Also, how deadly are the batteries to the environment and the plants that produce them. No wonder most plants for batteries are overseas, thank goodness for EPA.

    Can anyone tell me why other states have to follow the C.A.R.B. from CA, when CA cannot stop or prevent the forest fires, year after year, burning millions of acres. C.A.R.B and the buddy states, would not allow diesels in to save millions of barrels of oil, but CA can burn away and kill the rest of the nation with the poison from the smoke. Compare the numbers. How many diesel cars will it take to produce the same partical amount and other toxins to equal 1 acre of burned forest.

    As for the other comments on Beck, if it wasn’t for Beck, O’Reily, and others, no one would hear any other side in this mixed up world.

    Enjoy your batteries, I’ll keep my TDI and get 40+ MPG.

  • Hal Howell

    I’m both a Glenn and Rush fan. I listen to both as often as possible and I agree with them about 95% of the time because they are correct in their analysis. However, both Glenn and Rush are incorrect in their analysis of the hybrids. I am approaching 60, I have a Masters degree, a retired Navy Chief, disciple of Jesus and have an average income of $40,000. I drive a 2007 Prius and my wife, a 2007 Yaris. Why??? Because they do in fact save gas. I have also noticed that many of the Prius drivers are also folks in my age group or older. The car has proven itself to be comfortable, economical and fun to drive. No, it won’t do well in a race with other higher powered cares but it does hold its own on the road. On trips I find we do more bathroom breaks than we do gas fill-ups.
    Would I get another one? Yes. Toyota makes a quality product that is both safe and full-fills its promise on high MPG. Driving 65 I routinely get over 52 MPG. Before the Prius, I drove a 2001 Dodge Ram 1500 pick-up. I rally liked it and it was a great truck. However, the 30 gallon tank would have cost $120 to fill-up! I tried to minimize the pain by filling up when at a half tank of 15 gallons. Even when it was only in the $2.00 range it was expensive to run and at $4.00 it would have made my work nearly impossible. The Prius on the other hand costs me less than $50.00 a month to drive to and from my work. The Yaris also does very well and together we have greatly reduced our spending on gasoline. After 2+ years of driving the Prius, I can only say a big “Thanks” to Toyota for taking the lead in producing a fine automobile. I would have preferred an American car company to do it but they had nothing on the market to choose from and still don’t that gives over 50 mpg!

  • chasin

    Hybrids are great if you are seeking better gas mileage. Unfortunately they have become more of a political symbol rather an economic advantage. One thing to consider is that while we are dependent on foreign oil now, hybrids will not be a long term solution. 90% of the raw materials used in hybrid batteries are imported from China and it just so happens that China is considering reducing those exports or stopping them all together. Either way this country needs to find a long term self-sustaining answer to energy.

  • Richard3

    You know I like to think for myself. Yes, I am one of those Liberty/Freedom .. .Terrorists and now a racist I suppose..But I digress. Yes, I also would love a Prius…along with that this hybrid/Green auto I would like to ask just a simple question concerning Cap & Trade aka Global Warming coming next folks that will further impact all our lives. I am not a scientist nor do I have a an advanced degree, Climatologist or any other ‘ist’. But may I ask a question and get a response? It has been said by all the pro Global Warming folks, that Man is only 2% of any Global warming from all causes. If this is wrong enlighten me please as to what % Man is contributing. That being said, if China and India and a few others do not go along with any Global Warming interventions or preventive changes such as our up and coming Cap & Trade Bill will mandate, will these non participating countries effect the 2% or whatever % man is causing on this issue? ..Will that not offset any ‘effective changes’ we would do, thereby trump anything we do? . It is very hard to believe that 2% out of 100% is a crisis.

    These are just simple questions I know..something else too consider especially in these very bad economic times we propably will be in for a few more years. We all want green grass, purple mountain majesties, clean water, etc. Why can’t we do all, at a little slower pace…. as the Sun will be around for another 5 billion more years? I seem to have read that or seen it on National Geographic Channel. Why can’t we push Nuclear Energy such as France? I am sure they have considered potential hazards don’t you think? Could there be a connection for all this ‘push now’ because of huge money making profits behind this crises? Al Gore of “debate is Over” for instance is positioned to make hundreds of millions of dollars…G.E., with it’s current CEO is connected to our President Barack Obama.Think there might be just a tad of self interest involved? Just simple questions from just another guy on main street.

    So does any rationally thinking person really think that 2% or less, is a real crisis? Especially since there are many also of stature on the subject of the inexact science of Global Warming that disagree…maybe 40%? Motive Motive Motive.
    What else is new with this new administration?….Everything is a crisis crisis crisis….remember: never let a good crisis pass..? Was that Ron. (potty mouth) Emanuel advisor to Barack?
    Push push push..Well, as we all know as of 9/09 we are Trillions of dollars in debt and unemployment at 9.7%…and in reality may be over 15%…It Is All Political….and nothing we the people can do to prevent it from passing into law.

  • Hal Howell

    Personally, I don’t care what car you drive. That’s the beauty of living in a country where freedom reigns, at least so far. Both Glenn and Rush (whom I like) were, until it was taken over by Obama, sponsored by GM. So, the hybrid attacks were more because of their sponsors than anything else. The other reason is the Prius (which I drive) became the icon of the left leaning tree huggers. However, if both of them were to check, there are more folks in my age group 59+ who are actually driving Prius’s than young people. The reason? Gas savings. My fuel bill over the last 2+ years has in fact dropped dramatically. I regularly get anywhere from 46 to 52 mpg. Yes, I have 3 more years till the car is paid off and when it is, then the savings will continue for some time. They are wrong in their assessment of the Prius and who drives them. I still like them both and appreciate deeply their stands for the Constitution and Freedom. We need them both and others as well who stand for the principles that make America a great country.

  • Jackdaw

    According to Consumer Reports the price of a battery replacement has just come down.
    It now costs only $ 3,300 to have a battery replaced. It used to be about $ 500 more.

  • Richard3

    Yes, I wish I owned a Prius, but I cannot afford it…Too many other choices at far lower cost.
    I am not a scientist nor do I have a an advanced degree, Climatologist or any other ‘ist’. But may I ask a question and get a response? It has been said by all the pro Global Warming folks, that Man is only 2% of any Global warming from all causes. If this is wrong enlighten me please as to what % Man is contributing. That being said, if China and India and a few others do not go along with any Global Warming interventions or preventive changes such as our up and coming Cap & Trade Bill will mandate, will these non participating countries effect the 2% or whatever % man is causing to this issue? ..Will that not offset any ‘effective changes’ we would do, thereby trump anything we do? . It is very hard to believe that 2% out of 100% is a crisis..or if scenario mentioned even less %!

    These are just simple questions I know..something else too consider especially in these very bad economic times we propably will be in for a few more years. We all want green grass, purple mountain majesties, clean water, etc. Why can’t we do all, at a little slower pace…. as the Sun will be around for another 5 billion more years? I seem to have read that or seen it on National Geographic Channel. Why can’t we push Nuclear Energy such as France? I am sure they have considered potential hazards don’t you think? Could there be a connection for all this ‘push now’ because of huge money making profits behind this crises. Al Gore of “Debate is Over” fame for instance is positioned to make hundreds of millions of dollars…G.E. with it’s current CEO is connected to President Barack Obama.Think there might be just a tad of self interest involved? Just simple questions from just another guy on main street.

    So does any rationally thinking person really think that 2% or less, is a real crisis? Especially since there are many also of stature on the subject Global Warming that disagree…..maybe 40 % on this non exact science….Motive Motive Motive
    What else is new with this new administration?….Everything is a Crisis Crisis Crisis….remember never let a good crisis pass..? Was that Ron. (potty mouth) Emanuel advisor to Barack?
    Push push push..Well, as we all know as of 9/09 we are Trillions of dollars in debt and unemployment at 9.5%…and in reality may be over 15% Can it wait another year and see how we are as a nation economically…just a thought.

  • Anon E Mous

    “Yes it is a shame these two popular voices do not advocate for …”

    Why do you think that popular voices should advocate for products that cannot be cost justified.

    I have owned:

    a 1986 Ford Escort with a 2 liter diesel that got 45mpg cruising at 70 MPH on I-20 in Texas,

    a 1989 Ford Festiva that got 44 mpg driving around Massachusetts,

    a 1992 Honda Civic VX that averaged 40 mpg driving around Florida.

    None of them were hybrids and they beat most of the hybrids that cost at least 3 times as much as the most expensive of them.

    My current 2003 Honda Pilot beats the Silverado hybrid advertised on this page.

    If you compare gas models versus the same model hybrid, you can usually buy more gas than you would normally for the life of the vehicle, before the hybrid is a better deal, but then you would have to add the cost of replacing batteries. So, our current hybrids are not the best technology to bank our future on.

  • Big H

    Hal,

    Thank you for your service to this great country. You have a few years on me as I am approaching
    55. This is what makes America great, we can voice our opions and live free to choose which cars we like to drive, battery, diesel or gas.

  • Larry D

    The Prius is probably the best of the current hybrids. The mileage is good, compared to most cars, but most owners admit the difference in price over a 30 mpg Camry will never be recouped. Also, I have a friend whose Prius was clipped by another car. The side of his Prius was peeled back like a tin can with a can opener. In the event of an accident, especially with a monster SUV, I would never put my family at risk with this flimsy construction. It could be a terrible price to pay for better gas mileage!

  • Phil

    Glenn:
    I couldn’t give a crap less about the politics of hybrids. I’ve owned a Prius for five years and have gotten nothing but the best performance from it. I just had my first major repair and this came after about 110,000 miles. Knock hybrids all you want, I’m sticking to them until something better comes along.

  • Phil

    One other thing: I am not wealthy and am grateful for the tax break.

  • Just Askin’

    Why are tax incentives necessary if a product is so desirable?

    Why should the taxes I pay be used to subsidize someone else’s car purchase?

  • Norm

    People have been arguing about whether or not tax incentives on a good use of tax dollars. Please remember that our political leaders use tax incentives to further agendas that are important to them, get them reelected, or line their own pockets.

    Why should we hold our hands out like beggars, waiting for the elite of Washington pay us for dancing to their tune? I’m tired of planning my business and personal spending habits around this year’s political agendas.

    I say that tax incentives are felt lined manacles restricting our freedoms. I say we need a system of taxation that eliminates the ability of the political class to manipulate us.

    President Reagan simplified our tax system, lowering overall rates and brought about an economic boom. We’ve flattened our tax system several times in the past, but what has been flattened can still be inflated and bogged down with stifling regulations.

    We need a truly simplified tax system, like the FairTax that will really limit how much the political class can impact us financially. The FairTax legislation has less than 200 pages of text and has only three major variables that can be manipulated: the single universal tax rate, the poverty rate (important to ensure adequate prebate checks to untax everyone up to the poverty rate), and what goods and services are actually taxed. If you don’t know what the FairTax is, check it out at fairtax.org.

    If we had a truly simple tax plan, it could be used to fund the government, the real purpose of a tax plan, not to further the social and political agendas of those currently in positions of power.

  • Cleary

    We went to buy cars back in May 2008. We looked at hybrids because of the hype. Then we realized that even if gas went to $5 a gallon, the difference in price between a conventional car and a hybrid could buy an awful lot of gasoline.

    I don’t trust Obama. I was a skeptic from the jump, but I was willing to “wait and see.” Well I waited and saw; transparency as dark as night; competency as powerful as doing taxes with Turbotax; paying taxes like the rest of us (Daschle, Rangle, Geithner, and others). Now we have “czars” who have free reign of the White House; they get only the notoriety that someone like Beck gives them; and we’re supposed to trust this rookie, who can’t stared down a bully like Iran? Who sides with Russia against actual allies? This President seems to be expert at throwing people under the bus. Not impressed.

    I will not buy a government motors car, especially because of their money-back guarnatee. That guarantee is coming from fellow tax payers. I will not suck out the money of fellow tax payers in order to pay for an experiment in socialism. I want Government Motors to FAIL! And I want every socialism experiment by Obama to FAIL!

    And then, hopefully, Congress will be booted out in 2010, we’ll get a new crop in who actually respect, and maybe fear, WE THE PEOPLE, so that WE THE PEOPLE don’t have to be concerned about our government.

    Now – what’s this about a hybrid you want to sell me?

  • bradtothebone

    If you like wasting money buy a hybrid, because you will spend $12,000 – $15,000.00 to replace the batteries when it is only 5 to 6 years old, not to mention the extra $15,000.00 you had to spend to get a hybrid to begin with.You just lost any fuel savings you may have had!
    I drive a 2008 Ford Focus that consistantly gets 44 MPG and cost new half what a hybrid does, without all the extra maintanence costs and a much longer service life.
    Tax incentives and government/politics have no business in the car business.

  • 543michael

    Richard3, I don’t know the answer to your question, but I do know you make a very valid point.
    To understand the Obama administrations true intentions behind Cap and Trade, simply look at the “Cash for Clunkers” fiasco. It was all supposed to be about getting gas guzzling polluters off the streets, and we were informed that the trade-ins were all getting destroyed. In reality, many were sold to foreign countries, where they will continue to gobble up natural resources and end up polluting this planet even more than if they continued to operate in the U.S., since very few, if any of those countries have emissions testing standards.
    Glenn Beck is a true patriot. Whether you agree with him or not, you have to admit he supports his statements with facts and he loves this country and the principles it was founded on. To all you bleeding heart liberals, stop taking our freedom and liberties for granted! They were bought at price you wouldn’t be willing to pay! If you want BIG GOVERNMENT, move to China! Let us know how that works out for you! If you think government-run Health Care is a good idea, move to Canada! Don’t come back crying when you get put on a waiting list to be seen by a doctor or your “elective” cancer treatment procedure gets denied! Be thankful that, at least for now, we have the right to choose whether to buy a Prius or a Hummer!

  • Omraybel

    ergo sammo, by your own definition you must be a conservative

  • Charles

    What crap can I find here.

    Hummer better for environment. That study was debunked so fast it should have made your head spin off.

    Again the Prius has not had tax credits for almost 4 years.

    At 15,000 miles a year the Prius saves 300 gallons over a smaller Jetta 2.0L (gas). The Prius saves 155 gallons a year over the Diesel Jetta.

    If you are a tree hugger buy the Prius, Insight, Fusion Hybrid because it is better for the environment. If you think global warming is a crock, buy the hybrid because it keeps money out of the middle east.

    If you have half a brain stay away from — not going there.

  • Tom “the Old Curmudgeon”,

    Your on. Remember it’s a Thunderbird engine that I have tweeked a bit. I enjoy driving around looking for youngsters thinking their pissy little cars are fast. I smile when I see then in my rear view mirror. I have been street drag racing since the fifties. Don’t bring your friends because you will never live down by being by an old fart.

  • John Hand

    To all you eco nuts and your Toyota Priuses. I ride a couple of bikes, very fast bikes, that get close to 50 MPG and they are both capable of going faster than 130 in the quarter mile from a dead stop. Also drive a Mazda Miata. Not really great gas mileage, low 30s the way I drive it, but a lot more fun than….a Prius! And now the big line: To all you eco nuts who like to use the line, when talking to people who drive gas eaters…”What would JESUS drive?” Well, I’ll tell you what he would drive, he would drive a 12 passenger van. (think about it).
    So don’t try using that line anymore.

  • John Hand

    OK eco-nuts and your Priuses. I ride a couple of bikes, Suzuki B-King, 138 MPH in the quarter from a standing start, 0-100 in 5.5, and also a Honda VFR 800 that is almost as fast. Yet, I get very close to 50 MPG on these bikes while riding pretty quickly. If I babied them (hard to do they are so nice to ride) I could do better. Also I drive a Mazda Miata. Not as great a gas mileage as a Toyota Prius, but a lot more exciting. I drive on the interstate, there is a blockage ahead. Used to be some old guy in a Buick. Now it is some old guy in a Prius. And to all you eco-nuts who like to criticise drivers of cars that don’t do as well on fuel as a Prius, you know the line…”What would Jesus drive?’ Well, I’ll tell you, he would drive a 12 passenger van.

  • Rev. Jim

    Honda Civics were getting 35-50 mpg in the late 60′s and early 70′s before emission standards were enforced by the Gov. Without their interference we would already have a more efficient vehicle.

  • John63155

    but are Glen’s facts right?

  • Me

    When you say that we in the natural science community have known for 30 years that humans contribute to climate change are you refering to the reports in the 70′s that said that aerosol emmisions were causing global cooling? Or to when politicians recomended that we spread black soot on the ice caps to stop global cooling? I’m not saying that we don’t affect global conditions, of course we do, but when politicians who in most cases have no knowledge on these topics make decisions affecting all of us we shouldn’t just accept them blindly.

  • John Hand

    ETHANOL GAS. I’ve commented once (twice since the first one did not show up…Sorry). I work for the U.S. Dept of Agriculture, cotton division as an inspector of cotton gins, etc. We have lost several gins in recent years, partially because of drought and development, but mostly because of Ethanol (CORN) fuel. You see, the government mandated ethanol at 10% or more be added to our gasoline. The premise was to save on importing foreign oil. Hasn’t worked. Our fuel sucks, and we are paying additional taxes to subsidize farmers for growing corn instead of cotton or food, etc. So we have more people who have lost their sources of revenue (some gins in families for decades), it costs us more, and we get less. If the price of your clothes don’t go up, it is because IMPORTS of cotton and food will be going up as well. Just one more piece of evidence in how, when the government gets involved, it all goes to H***. Now, think about that Obama Health plan…..

  • John Hand

    And don’t forget this when you talk about plug-ins. If they operate on battery, and you want to drive a while with the HEATER or AIR CONDITIONING on, what will power those accessories? Why, the battery, of course. And how long will that battery last when the driver is stuck in traffic on a hot/cold day and he is still 30 miles from home?

  • austintexm

    I never reply to blogs but I had to this time. Does anyone but me notice how many liberals are replying? Just goes to show that you guys watch Fox also. HAHA. Thats why it is rated #1 and will stay that way. The only way to get the truth is to watch Fox. Keep up the good work Fox.

  • `Kevin

    You got it exactly right, the batteries don’t last the life of the car. Hybrid and electric car technology has a long way to go. Batteries are limited in number of charge/discharge cycles. Think about the battery in an ordinary gas-fueled car: those batteries don’t last forever. I know now they have lithium batteries coming out but they still have a limited lifespan.

  • xiouxee

    One of the things that I find most likable about conservatives is that they (we) do not generally resort to name calling.

  • smittone

    Ah… the splendor of the Pacific Northwest!

    Demolished radio towers and vandalized Hummers.

    So much for the Tolerant Left Wing Peaceniks and their problems with the Fascist Right Wing Extremists!

  • Dean Moore

    thirty years ago those of you in the “earth sciences” were preaching the next ice age. (and thirty years before that it was warming)

    when y’all stop putting your temp measuring units at the end of runways, and next to HVAC units, and in blacktop parking lots, and such, perhaps then you might be believed. until then sorry.

    BTW 4000lb cars in the 1940s were getting 35 mpg, and hell my 15 yr old towncar gets that on the freeway.
    more than one group is getting played these days…

  • keith brown

    Thats hilarious, Mr Goshen NY proved the conservative rhetoric correct. Don’t argue with facts, just call them names. Of course! The brilliance of your argument is that it doesn’t need evidence or truth or anything useful to convince the rest of us otherwise, just let it degenerate, quickly mind you, to beer tinged sophomoric mudslinging. Thanks. Thanks a whole bunch.

  • CORPSETRON

    There really isn’t anything “cutting edge” about hybrid cars at all. The technology has been around for quite a while, just as with other methods. The thing BOTH sides are missing is that “oil is money” and “whoever controls the oil, controls policy”; this technology wasn’t encouraged because, let’s face it, getting people away from oil addiction would hurt the multi-billion dollar oil companies – let alone cripple the economies of the nations we buy our oil from – particularly the Canada, Mexico, and the Middle-East. Thing that annoys me is that people think hybrid technology is “new.” We COULD build cars that actually run off water, which would be SERIOUSLY good for the environment, but I don’t hear the greenies pushing that now…

    As for politics, I don’t want ANY politician telling me what I CAN or CANNOT drive. That’s a clear abuse of governmental power and a deliberate misinterpretation of their Constitutional legitimacy. This is what Bush and Obama are doing, just as with many of the presidents who’ve gone before. It’s nothing new people. It’s “politics as usual,” as the left-wingers increasingly attack the right for things they’re just as guilty of but won’t admit to it and when the right uses the left’s tactics, they can’t handle it and get all worked up by shouting “racist,” “Nazi,” etc, etc. Let’s use some restraint and common sense. I’m sure both sides have it… they just don’t use it much.

    As I’ve been following this rabid push for “environmental responsibility,” I’ve grown increasingly tired of the greenies inflating the facts about global warming and the “harm” we’re causing by writing on paper. I’ve read some very scary things from very radical “environmentalists,” over the years, ranging from overt statements of hatred toward people, in general, to openly admitting that they’d like to see people die just because a flood happened in Africa. No joke. These are people who are heavily involved in the “environmentalist” movement who want to shove environmentally damaging CFLs over our regular light bulbs and they call it “more environmentally friendly.” They contain dangerous levels of mercury – a known substance that actually HARMS us, not just the environment. It’s a bunch of crap. Do we really want the tree-hugging hippies of today into positions of power? I thought the 60′s – 70′s idiocy had died out… but I guess not.

    Obama received MASSIVE donations from environmental groups supporting his candidacy and he says he wants to STOP “special interest lobbying” on capital hill? Give me a break. Liberals, wake up and realize that Obama’s not really on your side. He’ll destroy you just as he’ll destroy the conservatives. And he’ll put a HUGE debt on all our posterity way before the “precious” hybrids actually start “making a difference.” I won’t be buying a hybrid BECAUSE it’s a scam and won’t appreciably affect the environment.

  • laughingatlibs

    Interesting… I’ll put my conservative 145 IQ up against your liberal 68 anyday! lol

  • LSX

    Last time I checked, this was America where you have the right to drive what you want.

    I find it typical that the liberals will only be tolerant of those who agree with them but go on a hissy-fit of insults when someone disagrees with them.

    Bringing up Palin and Beck’s birthday? Can you say more liberal “stretch”?

    Prius destruction? By conservatives? What about ELF? What about the Hummers and luxury cars that were destroyed? More liberal-progressive double standard. Stupid people will do stupid things.

    Stop looking at the small picture liberals. The out of control Obama administration is out to steal ALL or rights. They’ll use imagined carbon foot print guilt and look down their noses as they point fingers at those who dare not drink the progressive Kool-aid. Their latest key word and focal point is now “environmental” concerns. Look beyond the facade people. There is a bigger agenda than “hybrid” cars with the Obama administration. STEALING your rights and freedoms!

    Buy what you want, it’s AMERICA for crying out loud. It’s not Venezuela or Cuba… yet…

    VOTE OUT EVERY ONE OF THESE CRIMINALS and return to a small, highly restricted government so we can retain ALL of our rights. Especially those God given rights that allow Americans to purchase the mode of transportation they enjoy!

    LSX

  • Mark Zimmer

    Land of Goshen, Tom Degan, your argument against facts presented by Glen Beck impresses me! At least we know WHEN and WHERE Glen Beck was born. He definitely is “mad” about the facts and driven “nuts” by the Obama administration. When presented with facts, the Obama response to any critizism is similar to yours….try to show a relationship to George Bush or Sarah Palin. Is that a “tad crazy”? You betcha!

  • hardtail

    Wow Rob, You say you are in earth science’s. However you did not say wether you were a scientist or you sweeop the floor when the intelligent people go home. I suspect the latter. First off, Glen never perported himself to be anything more than a rational thinker. Something that is beyond your indocterated little mind. You could do a little investigating and find those leases your talking about are not where the oil is known to be, but where it could possibly be at much greater depths. This was done intentionally by congress to make it more expensive to retrieve. On cap and trade? Wrong again. This is tax increase on everybody and everything. It will do absalutly nothing to save are envirernment. Where Al Gore comes into play is when somebody does’nt want to stop polluting. They simply buy carbon credits to offset it. Who owns the company that sells carbon credits? AL GORE. Pretty sweet deal for him would’nt you say? But the polluter continues to pollute. Does this make sense? If you want to pretend to be an intellectual yhan you should arm yourself with facts. You know those pesky little things that keep getting in the way of your liberal arguments. Our country has more oil and gas reserves than any where on earth. But our government has decided to lock us out of it. You really haye to ask yourself why they would do such a thing. Instead you let yourself get tied up in this tired old republican demacrat argument. This is what your government loves, so you don’t see what they are doing to US. This country will not run out of oil or gas in your lifetime or your childrens lifetime. It has alwys been the engine of this economy and will be for a long time. Will something replace it in the future? Sure, but it is not here at this time. In the meantime we should be the good stuards of our planet. But if you were honest you would have to admit mother nature is very resilliant. Wakeup people, they are stealing our country right in front of your eye’s. Do a little investigating of your own and you will be shocked!! GOD BLESS AMERICA.

  • ChrisK

    I continue to be puzzled as to why people would spend so much more to buy a hybrid when there are so many fuel efficient options out there for less money. Or, even more car for the same money. For crying out loud, a Lincoln Towncar gets almost 30mpg on the highway (I have one). You could buy almost two Toyota Corollas for one Prius and get almost the same mileage. As far as sending money to Japan, don’t forget that the only reason the Japanese like us, is for the money. They bombed us and left far more casulties during WWII than the middle east. Don’t get me wrong, the middle east hates us too, and I am for drilling in America for American oil. We have plenty for a long time. I’m sure a truely viable answer to full gasoline is out there, and will eventually come to market as an affordable alterative, but hybrid is not the answer. So as for now, I’ll keep my V8, and keep my hard earned money going to US manufacturers.

  • waterpro

    As a mechanical engineer and scientist and one who drives cars until the wheels fall off, because they are strictly utilitiarian to me, I am interested in what it cost to replace the batteries in a hybrid. I have found it impossible to get an accurate, firm price from manufacturers and dealers. When Googling about the subject, I have seen prices ranging from $2,300 to $5,000 with a life expectancy of 80,000 to 150,000 miles. There goes any savings in the cost of gasoline over the life of the vehicle.

    Oh, I forgot, we’re suppose to buy them to prevent global warming. Well, I hate to tell you but the big blue marble goes through proven and predictable warming and cooling cyles every 100,000+ to 200,000+ years and has been doing that long before mankind set foot on terra firma.

    Suppose I buy a used hybrid with 80,000 miles on it and the batteries go bad in six months. Who wants to give up $2,000+ to replace the batteries? I foresee many used hybrids awaiting a benefactor to replace the batteries at their cost or sitting in the “bone yard” awaiting the crusher.

    According to the Netherlands Environmental Assessment Agency in Environment & Climate News, hydrofluorcarbons (HFC) that were used to replace Chlorofluorocarbons (CFC) in refrigerating and air conditioning units have been discovered to also affect the ozone layer, increasing the so-called greenhouse effect. Looks like we went from the frying pan into the fire like so many “negative” environmental issues.

  • Lost Prius to wife

    Intrepid, you are correct that I could have done a better job of making my point. Basically, my point was that it takes a much larger number of people making less than the $113K to balance out the number of people making more than $113K that bought hybrids. The point would have been better brought out by using the formula [(A * B) + (C * D)] / (A + C) = $113K rather than the formula (A * E * $113K) = (C * F). Glen Beck still makes it seem like only the rich are buying hybrids. This is not true. I will grant that the hybrid buyers tend to be more affluent than the average car buyer. But the following is from “Profile of Hybrid Drivers” at HybridCARS.com:

    “In 2004, J.D. Power reported that hybrid owner incomes are $100,000 a year versus $85,000 a year for the average buyer. In a 2007 survey of 118 Prius drivers by Topline Strategy Group, 71 percent of respondents earned more than $100,000 per year. A 2007 study by Scarborough Research— approx. 1,000 hybrid drivers, not just Prius owners, gave answers—showed that 42 percent have an income of greater than $100,000.”

    Based off this information, the average hybrid driver now has a $113K household income while the average car buyer has a $96K household income. The $96K household income is still substantially over the approximate $50K average household income for the USA. Does this imply that only the rich buy cars now? I do not think it meant that in 2004 and I do not think that it means that now. I think it just means that there are an enormous amount of buyers with just average household incomes to counter balance the wealthy buyer to obtain the above averages, hybrid or not. There are many more hybrid buyers that make less than the$113K household income than the ones that make more than the$113K household income. This still makes what Glen Beck implied not true.

  • computerman

    I suppose Sam Graddy, Gaffney SC, 4x100m runner (Olympic Gold Medalist) must have some similar conservative gene? Or did you get some other type of “vibe?”

  • Lost Prius to wife

    Beck supporter, if you would look at my reply to Intrepid, you will find that the average car buyer household income is substantially larger that the average household income for the USA, hybrid or not. My question to you is why you believe we should not encourage the majority of car buyers, those with median incomes less than $92K, to buy a car that will lessen our oil dependency and produce less CO2? To make it easier for someone below that MEDIAN income of $92K to be able to buy a car that will lessen our oil dependency and produce less CO2, credits from time to time have been given. Credits should only occur when one buys a car that will have a positive impact for the USA. Since most people are now keeping cars longer, the lost of tax revenue per year is small and only occurs with the purchase of a car that will have a positive impact for the USA over a much longer period of time.

  • Lost Prius to wife

    Tom the Old Curmudgeon, I am sure that your cars are great and in great shape. And even though they are 4.6 L, if you truly keep them up, that means that they are running as clean as possible. That is better than a lot of people do or are able to do. My hat is off to you on that. But please tell me: how many American cars do you know of that can go from 0 to 130 mph with only one gear. Yes, the Prius is slower accelerating than a car with a 4.6 L engine. But it will do 0 to 130 mph with only one gear and the electronic governor off.

  • Robert77

    I don’t think brother is retard, and he is not driving a hybred!!!!!. Hybrid cars goes like any other cars if you can check the facts, buy yhea…it may not go like a race car which you always do and create havok on road.

  • MJ77

    Please Please Please lets not let Hybrid cars become a political thing that each side has to take a stance and stick by it and constantly defend their choice. There is enough dividing this country and the fuel efficient cars are too important for the future of this country.

    Then again people like this Beck guy make money by dividing the country so I doubt it will stop.

  • Rob70

    You have to think outside the box; here we are trying to change the technology which remained the same for last 100 years. Do you know the first cars ran on electricity? About developing clean electricity…that is the next step some of them are clean nuclear, clean coal, solar, wind etc…. Check with expert, a coal fired power plant produce less co2 than an automobile and that is a fact.
    Average person is worried about money saved and that is enormous and also hybrids are fun to drive.
    Some patriotic Americans will think that boosting economy of terrorist is not a good idea; I guess that you are not in that group.

  • Lost Prius to wife

    Richard3, actually less than 0.5% can effect things more than you can imagine. CO2 is present in the air to only 0.38%, but its heat keeping properties / effects has an approximate 25% affect (50% affect if one excludes water vapor / clouds effects) on the weather and warming. Prior to the late 1890s, the CO2 levels were approximately 0.28% for a couple of hundred thousand years. Since the late 1890s, the CO2 levels have risen by 0.10% to the present .038%. And the CO2 levels are still rising. The argument among all interested parties is: Is this CO2 increase all mankind produced, partly mankind produced, or all nature produced? The other question raised by the CO2 increase is: How much does the CO2 increase affect global warming? Arguments for any of the three scenarios and global warming can be quite lengthy and will not be touched by me today.

  • Lost Prius to wife

    Bradtothebone, what are you talking about? Wake up and smell the coffee. Haven’t you read that one can go to the Toyota dealership and get a battery replaced for ~$4K? And it cost less if one does not go to the dealership. And if one can buy the batteries sometimes listed for $500 on Ebay or Craig’s list, one can save even more money. But first they have to have a battery go bad. The minimum warranty is 150K miles or eight years. Where are you getting this “5 to 6 years”? Please, wake up and do not tells us of your dreams here.

  • Lost Prius to wife

    Hal Howell and Phil, thank you for your comments. They reflect my findings about the Prius, hybrids in general, and the savings.

  • Anonymous

    @ John Corbin

    same argument, you might as well ride a bike. Because there is no way you can justify buying a car vs a bike when it comes to cost. In case you didn’t get it, there is more to a hybrid than costs.

  • casciofl

    Here’s how. Al Gore has major interests in companies that sell carbon credits.How’s that for a conflict of interests.
    I’ll keep driving my Caddy ,Riviera and Lincoln and take my gas fueled Camry if I need to economizethat badly. Gore is a hypocrite.

  • seaplaneguy

    A Prius is 29% efficient at highway speeds (70 mph). If the efficiency were CONSTANT at 29% all the time, this is what a Prius would get at 70, 60, 50 ,40, 30, 20 mph: 44, 55, 70, 90, 114, 141.

    Why does it get only 51 mpg around town and not 114 mpg+ mpg (@30 mph) as it should around town?

    What is the thermal load of a car during cold/hot times (full heat/cooling on)? It is around 5 hp. What is the load to drive a Prius down the road at 35 mph? about 5 hp. The thermal load is EQUAL to the drive load. This is why electric ares will NOT work. Range on a cold or hot day drops by 50%.

    Since a car is a thermal machine to keep the occupants warm/cool (72 F all the time), reason would have it that a THERMAL cycle and NOT and electrical system is warranted.

    There is no future to electric cars…when we can get 60% on a thermal engine…soon to come… see my twitters about this…

    seaplaneguy

  • Anonymous

    Got to love some of the baseless comments and mud slinging. If can’t back up with facts, keep repeating false info and it will be come true. Hehe…

    Some examples:

    Geotrader says: “…the “plug-in” hybrids is that they use ELECTRICITY to operate. The environmental cost of generating the electricity is almost as bad as the fossil fuels used to run car engines.”

    and

    Everyman says: “I’m curious. Just where do you think the energy for the Plug-in portion comes from? Butterfly wings perhaps? Most likely, it is from a fossil fuel fired power plant.”

    Fact: ICE has much lower energy efficiency and higher pollution than most if not 100% of power plants (even the dirty coal plants!). Generally economy of scale makes it more efficient to generate power in one centralized location.

    rcronk says: “… the Hummer *from design to junkyard* has significantly LOWER energy costs ($1.949/mile) than hybrids do (around $3.20/mile).”
    and

    Anon E Mous says: “Why do you think that popular voices should advocate for products that cannot be cost justified.”

    Fact: the cost per mile comparison is another spin off the infamous and debunked dusts to dust study. Cost is a subjective term. Environmental costs are often neglected by these kinds of comparison. Afterall, if I ain’t drinking the water, pissing in the neighbor’s pool is perfectly alright because it has no cost to me right? Furthermore, development costs for a hummer is far greater than just few years, try decades when ICE is developed over time. To further the cost argument, please just use bicycle because the cost is literally pennies per mile.

    Tom the Old Curmudgeon says: “The Mercury will leave these slow-ass hybrids in the dust and I can fit one ofthem into the bed of my pickup. Keep your tree-hugging ugly little eco-cars and all the other California wackos and leave the REAL cars to the rest of us.”

    The “me me me” and “look at me I drive a faster car, therefore i’m better than you” point of view is very disturbing. Don’t forget to remind yourself every night you are living in the center of the world and nothing else matters.

    bradtothebone says: “If you like wasting money buy a hybrid, because you will spend $12,000 – $15,000.00 to replace the batteries when it is only 5 to 6 years old, …”

    Fact: prius covers batteries for 8 yrs, most last much longer than that. Just as many things, prices of batteries have came down as costs normalize.

    Regarding tax incentives, it’s a strategy to achieve oil independence. Without incentives, many things in this world, including roads, would not exist. If anybody should be crying about incentives, try barking on the big oil companies (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/02/28/ST2008022800131.html)

  • Anonymous

    austintexm says: “I never reply to blogs but I had to this time. Does anyone but me notice how many liberals are replying? Just goes to show that you guys watch Fox also. HAHA. Thats why it is rated #1 and will stay that way. The only way to get the truth is to watch Fox. Keep up the good work Fox.”

    LOL, uhmmm… sorry, could not stop laughing.

    People are replying posts on a blog, not replying to Fox news. You sure got sound judgment.

  • Anonymous

    John Hand says: “And don’t forget this when you talk about plug-ins. If they operate on battery, and you want to drive a while with the HEATER or AIR CONDITIONING on, what will power those accessories? Why, the battery, of course. And how long will that battery last when the driver is stuck in traffic on a hot/cold day and he is still 30 miles from home?”

    Uhhh… John, that’s why it’s call a hybrid dude. Please do your homework before asking these tough questions, lol. (http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Toyota_Prius/FAQ#Heating_and_Cooling)

  • John Hand

    Yeah, just read that as soon as you put it up. So the little motor kicks in and the Prius keeps boogying. But their are many other hybrids that are electric, period. But I want to get back to the subject of this blog, Beck. Many on here have criticized Beck because he is conservative, and one up there a little ways said Beck is making money off of stirring up trouble or words to that effect. But let’s thank the powers that be that we have men like Beck, and to a lesser degree, O’Reilly. I was watching ABC, getting another perspective the other day. Old Charlie down his nose with glasses Gibson came on, and said…”A tape has surfaced….” Now mind you, this was FOUR DAYS and four tapes later of FOX exposing ACORN and how it is corrupt nationwide. ” A tape has surfaced.” Yeah, Gibson, right. So folks, to get another perspective, and more and more the REAL one, we need men like Beck, and O’Reilly, and yeah even the guys who tend to thrive on stirring things up, Hannity and Limbaugh. I have found that ABC, CBS, NBC and to a lesser degree CNN do not give out the real news at all. And oh boy is MSNBC ever one-sided, with definite lies, distortions and exaggerations to boot. At one time I watched NBC almost exclusively because I used to know Tom Brokaw in Los Angeles. My how things have changed. Watch, listen, analyze honestly and maybe all you libs will look at things with wide(r) eyes.

  • John Hand

    One last thing anonymous. Up there you referred me to a facts and figures site about Prius, but read my original line again about how long a battery might last with the A/C or heater on in traffic. I said PLUG IN. Many of the plug ins have no provision for charging on the road.

  • Anonymous

    John says: “But their are many other hybrids that are electric, period.”

    Uh…. then it’s not a hybrid, it’s an electric vehicle (EV). Remember, while EV is a plug-in, but plug-in does not necessarily means EV (e.g. plug-in can also apply to hybrids, commonly referred as plug in hybrids).

  • Anonymous

    John Hand says:

    “One last thing anonymous. Up there you referred me to a facts and figures site about Prius, but read my original line again about how long a battery might last with the A/C or heater on in traffic. I said PLUG IN. Many of the plug ins have no provision for charging on the road.”

    See my post above. “Plug in” can apply to EV and hybrids.

  • Mike Nelson

    Standard tactic, when people with opposing viewpoints start hurting you with the truth the critical thinking skills get shut off and blind partisanship tactics of destroying the messenger (Glenn Beck) go on autopilot in the hopes of discrediting true facts for those who don’t research for themselves, Beck has done nothing more than ask reasonable questions to some very serious and alarming facts.

    You forgot to mention he’s Mormon and the fact that he is a recovering alcoholic, it’s funny you didn’t mention that you probably didn’t know it, maybe that’s because you really don’t listen personally you’re just getting the party talking points. I grew up in a union Democrat household and voted for Carter (what a disaster he was) until Reagan came along so I went Republican because they were more in line with my worldview then after seeing how the Democrats started pandering to the crazies socialist left, then the Republicans started to betray us so I kicked them to the curb! I didn’t like Bush he lied to us and expanded government, I could NOT vote for McCain because he’d already violated his oath of office as a senator. Now Obama is in bed with self-avowed communist radicals! Take your blinders off America stand up for your own freedom and liberty and restore the Constitution and kick all these buzzards out we need term limits!

    That’s the real message of these tea parties, we don’t want socialism but they’re not getting the message, like Tom here they’re attacking the messengers Pelosi says we’re Nazis how stupid do you have to be the Nazis were national socialists back of a lot more in line with Pelosi’s worldview of Utopia than the tea party goers, where’s our apologies madam Speaker? Don’t hold your breath those people don’t believe they work for you anymore, no redress of grievances here.

  • John Hand

    OK I stand corrected. To be honest, I do not have my mind on Prius so much as a product but more I am thinking about all the liberal blasts and conservative retaliations/replies going on on the blog. I am a car lover but do not feel that the Prius is the end all to the way to go. I was the staff photog for a national magazine called ROAD TEST years ago. A good, economical and reliable car can give a lot of satisfaction with a way smaller investment. I’ve seen Hollywood types (on tape) pulling up to the red carpet in a…(gasp!) Prius. Were they really trying to save, or make a statement? You know the answer to that. Then they went home and burned two hundred lights at a premier party all night long. Think Al Gore and his plane, big SUVS and huge home. Drive a light car (the key), keep the tires pumped, shift UP, and quickly on the shift. If you have stick shift, do not WIND the motor up in the gears. Shift up quickly. 0 to 10 say in first instead of 0 to 25 for instance. When climbing a hill, keep the higher gear and lower revs as long as the motor is not bucking. It does not hurt an engine to LUG, contrary to popular belief. As long as the drivetrain is not jerking, it is cool to push the pedal a little further down and climb the hil in the higher gear. By not shifting, you keep the revolutions down. It is high revs that eat gas. One last thing. When the light changes to green, especially if you are in a lane waiting to turn left on a timed arrow, MOVE OUT. The faster you get going, (but not winding too tight), the more cars can make the light or go straight ahead behind you. More people make the green, and WE ALL SAVE time and money. Also, it makes you look like you were courteous instead of an inconsiderate oaf. And I hate to say this, but I have had SEVERAL drivers of Priuses go so slow that I and several other cars caught a red light. Also, going up ramps onto freeways, a Prius going so slow that he and the following traffic were not traveling at a safe MERGING SPEED. These are the things that will ultimately save fuel (and lives) on a national level, not which car an individual happens to drive.

  • Mike Nelson

    Standard tactic Mr.Tom Degon, when people with opposing viewpoints start hurting you with the truth the critical thinking skills get shut off and blind partisanship tactics of destroying the messenger (Glenn Beck) go on autopilot in the hopes of discrediting true facts for those who don’t research for themselves, Beck has done nothing more than ask reasonable questions to some very serious and alarming facts.

    You forgot to mention he’s Mormon and the fact that he is a recovering alcoholic, it’s funny you didn’t mention that you probably didn’t know it, maybe that’s because you really don’t listen personally you’re just getting the party talking points. I grew up in a union Democrat household and voted for Carter (what a disaster he was) until Reagan came along so I went Republican because they were more in line with my worldview then after seeing how the Democrats started pandering to the crazies socialist left, then the Republicans started to betray us so I kicked them to the curb! I didn’t like Bush he lied to us and expanded government, I could NOT vote for McCain because he’d already violated his oath of office as a senator. Now Obama is in bed with self-avowed communist radicals! Take your blinders off America stand up for your own freedom and liberty and restore the Constitution and kick all these buzzards out we need term limits!

    That’s the real message of these tea parties, we don’t want socialism but they’re not getting the message, like Tom here they’re attacking the messengers Pelosi says we’re Nazis how stupid do you have to be the Nazis were national socialists back of a lot more in line with Pelosi’s worldview of Utopia than the tea party goers, where’s our apologies madam Speaker? Don’t hold your breath those people don’t believe they work for you anymore, no redress of grievances here we work for them now as they take more and more control over our lives.

    As far as the hybrids are concerned that people do want some can buy them but for crying out loud don’t try to shove them down our throats, if you think you’re saving money by giving megabucks upfront for thiss highbred in the hopes of saving a few pennies on gasoline go for it, but if you think you”re going to save the world from global warming Oh, I’m sorry it’s climate change now you’re a fool! They tried to run this scam back in the 70s with global cooling now the same people are at it again but now politics are involved in real science has nothing to do with it, this whole issue is about controlling people and if you want to be a serf in the global plantation I would like to tell you to go for it except you’re going to take those of us who get it along with you, so wake up and smell the dung that’s being shoveled.

  • sofa king we todd did

    Hybrids are the future of transportation for those who think of their automobile as an appliance.

  • Anonymous

    Meeker,
    Moronic Beck listeners. Nice. Trust me I have a 4.0 GPA un-weighted, all honors classes, and I am a Beck listener. Weird. I have listened to him all summer, and I have checked his sources. Not one of his sources are fraudulent. You just listen to the Obama and Al Gore. They have an agenda, Beck does not. Beck does not benefit from any of this. If he is wrong about the government trampling on the constitution, he loses, if he is right, we all lose. Continue driving a car that will do just as much damage, or more than a Hummer when the battery dies and is thrown away, and that is on top of all the emissions from the gas part of the engine. What a win for tree huggers everywhere right? Obama doesn’t want you to drive anything that does not run on oil because the government makes a killing off of gas taxes. In fact, he disapproves of Compressed Natural Gas (CNG) or Hydrogen. Get your facts straight before posting, and if you are going to make fun of a radio personality, listen to him first instead of coming to a hybrid car site or any other site that is against him, so you can actually form your own opinion.

  • Greg

    Leave alone Hugo Chavez he is a good patriot for his own country, rich people never get enough wealt thats why they hate socialism, besides the poor ignorants and brain washed AngloAmericans.

  • 1776patriot

    I love the prius, a full metal jacket 7.62 goes through them soooo sweetly. I would love to try some AP on them.

  • Mike Dee

    Cheap shot by Beck…..obviously an anti Obama guy who is being wheeled out by “anti hybrid” car execs to put a smokescreen over their mess of an industry..Politics didnt kill the auto industry…the guys who ran it (into the dust) killed theauto industry…

  • Anonymous

    sofa king we todd did says: “Hybrids are the future of transportation for those who think of their automobile as an appliance.”

    it will be more than an appliance. Think bigger. The potential of hybrids and ev are great. They mean:

    1. gaining independence from foreign oil, that’s stronger than any weapon of war to the middle east

    2. reduce environmental impact through higher efficiency and lower emissions. Even if you don’t believe in global warming, it’s hard to disagree reduction in all pollution is a good thing.

    3. lower travel costs once hybrid production becomes the norm (today’s cars did not achieve economical status overnight)

    4. Has potential of becoming a mini power storage and even generation station at each home, which may be feed back to the grid. Batteries greatly increase renewable energy options by providing storage median to store independent power (e.g. solar) generated from each home. Of course this can eventually kill the big oil companies. You bet they are smart enough to see this coming and are now fighting tooth and nail now to prevent massive losses in two markets (reduction in car gas revenue and power generation fuels). Just imagine, free energy flowing from every home, connected by a giant network of car batteries to store them. This will give any oil exec a cold shudder to their spines.

    5. Boost economic activity. Development these high tech has just began. The car business will be undergoing a very exciting growth period, almost revolutionary. This is one of many ways to create high pay jobs in north america.

  • Anonymous

    1776patriot says: “I love the prius, a full metal jacket 7.62 goes through them soooo sweetly. I would love to try some AP on them.”

    It’s ironic you have the same tactic as a terrorist (destroy anything constructive) for someone who claiming to be a patriot

  • Dave Phoenix

    I would laugh at folks like Glenn Beck except for the fact that he, and folks like him, represent a real “road block” to foreign oil independence, lower pollution and a reduction in global warming.

    Glenn Beck is simply an entertainer. He is in the back room laughing at all the folks who believe his load of BS.

    To me, foreign oil dependence is not a joke. My brother was killed fighting in the Middle East. That’s the true cost of our foreign oil dependence.

    We need to show these “entertainers” the door and get to work on solving these issues.

  • Marc

    I drive a Hyundai Accent, base model. I paid less than $9000 for it new in 2001. Now, 8 years later, I am still getting 44 mpg and it has only needed routine maintenance.
    No, it is not American-made, but it is a whole lot cheaper than a Prius or any other hybrid out there. I will gladly buy a hybrid when you can show me that I will save nearly $18,000+ over an 8 year run in fuel expenses.
    My other vehicles: vintage VWs. 30 mpg and they cost $500-3000. Reliable, but not as comfortable. Still- the base price figured in with the fuel economy of these beauties far outpace the Prius.

    Politics? I think government should refrain from meddling with the free market. They should regulate to ensure consumers are safe and protected and that they can purchase items that are not painted with lead-based paint, etc., but not dictate through policy and taxation what we should purchase. Read the books Atlas Shrugged, 1984, etc.
    Republican? Democrat? Me? Independent and I hold public office. It is not about party lines, it is about doing what is right for our communities, states, nation.

    Do I want to spend more on gas that is imported? NO! But until we produce our own or make alternatives affordable, I will continue doing what is best for my family’s economy.

    What will I replace my commuter car with when it dies? Hopefully it will last another 140K miles (8 years) and at that point I will look at my options. Right now- I have had tremendous luck with Hyundai’s cheapest car. Why not stick with it? Or, I could just continue driving around my VWs that will never completely die.

    Global warming? Hybrids’ bid to help save our planet? As a practicing mathematician and physicist, I can confidently say that nobody can prove it one way or the other. They can just slant the evidence the way they want it to be perceived. There is no definitive, measurable proof that man has ever had a significant impact on climate change, for certain with vehicles’ CO2 emissions.

    Should people still care? You bet. Recycle, use efficient tools (vehicles), grow a garden, attend political functions, laugh, raise your family with good values. These are things we all need to do- within our means and to the best of our own, personal ability.

  • LDP

    First, I have been observing this planet for a long time and my data indicates that most humans are fundamentally ignorant, greedy,violent and no do not seem to realize that they are destroying the world that has sustained them. Your planet is very rare. Stop wasting time fighting about who is right and work together to save your planet or you will lose it.

  • Lost Prius to wife

    John Hand, I understand two of your points very well.

    Most of us contributing here have a Prius, Honda, Jetta TCI diesel, EV, or some other fuel saving / high mileage vehicle because it is what we want and meets our needs. I know I do not care that Al Gore or some celebrity drives one or not. I bought our Prius strictly because it meets my wife’s and my needs. I have stated before that the Prius and other hybrid vehicles will not meet everyone’s needs all the time. Maybe in the future there will be hybrids and EVs that will meet the needs of all sectors of the auto industry, but it does not now. We are only at the beginning of a new era for the auto industry. In fact it is kind of exciting to be at the point where the auto industry is breaking away from the status quo of many decades.

    Your other point of safety is well founded. It has angered both my wife and me to see the Prius and other hybrids being driven only for maximum mileage and creating unsafe driving conditions for everyone else. Driving one’s hybrid for maximum mileage is something I will always encourage. But doing that to the detriment of other people’s safety should not be done or tolerated. Even my fellow associate, the one getting 55+ mpg in his 2005 Prius, foregoes his “pulse and glide” method once he is in traffic. It just is not safe for either him or others. And hybrids do not have to be driven slow. Just ask Al Gore Jr. – his speeding ticket was for 100 mph in his Prius (maybe his Prius’ electronic governor limit was set 5 mph low?).

  • Anonymous

    Marc says: “Politics? I think government should refrain from meddling with the free market. They should regulate to ensure consumers are safe and protected and that they can purchase items that are not painted with lead-based paint, etc., but not dictate through policy and taxation what we should purchase.”

    Gov incentives are meant to develop the market and make it affordable over time. Years ago (and even now) roads and bridges would not be affordable without gov funding. CFL light bulbs went through the same cycle. Initial offer of CFL is very expensive, but through incentives and rebates, the price became cheaper. Now there is almost no reason why a family can’t afford a CFL economically even without rebates. There are many issues the gov has to take initiatives and leadership because of knowledge and resources. What happens if the gov never took initiative on clean air act? Would people start stop smoking if gov did not step in and took some actions? These are very good examples of gov intervention that helped the population. I believe the need to fund development of clean vehicles and alternative energy sources are real because there is a need, not political games. We are starting to see the fruits of these initiatives through hybrids, ev’s, clean diesel, renewable energy, etc. If it was up to market force to make these changes, it would likely be sudden and chaos since these things can’t occur in a short time. Some may argue that has already occured with the oil price surge and gov has seen the consequences of it triggering an economic shock. Gov incentives may not sound very good, but sometimes it is necessary to avoid long term pains.

  • Bobdobbs

    I look at my cars as a tool not a status symbol or a political statement. The present crop of Hybrids are not the proper tool for me. Judging by the sales numbers they are not for most people. The beauty of a market driven system is… If you build what they want and tell them what it really is “they” will buy it.

    I own 2 vehicles. A ten year old Diesel GMC pickup truck that “Gasp” gets 21mpg on the highway and 18 mixed. Pretty good for a 1 ton farm truck. I only drive it @ 5-10,000 miles a year. When I need the open 4′ x 8′ bed that I can hose clean or the 11,000 lb towing capacity. My daily driver is a VW Jetta TDI that averages 40mpg mixed and 47mpg highway. Highway is 75 mph with the AC on.

    The Prius, driven by hypermilers not Joe Q Public, at 45-55 mph with no AC gets 50-55mpg highway. Great. Let’s compare Apples to Apples. My Jetta TDI, driven by me hypermiler style, at 55 mph with no AC gets 50-55mpg (several trips). By legislation, the Jetta and Prius have similar emissions. So which is better?? Both of my vehicles are large enough to comfortably accommodate my 6′ 5″ 250lb body on long road trips. I can’t say the same for the Prius. Sorry… I like my head, knee, and leg room on any trip longer than 2 miles. 1-2 miles my bike works nicely. You may feel differently and make different choices based on different criteria because you are a different individual. That is the beauty of this country, SO FAR.

    For me hybrids are an interesting novelty “throw away car”. I’m not Joe Q Public. He’s broke. I purchase my vehicles with CASH and I make my vehicles last for at least 15-20 years by taking care of them myself. The New England adage “Use it up. Wear it out. Make it do or do without.” applies to my vehicles. You don’t want my used car because it’s used up. I feel anything else is being less than thankful for the opportunities I have been given.

    BTW I listen to Glen Beck. I don’t throw eggs at someone elses property. You’ve got the wrong demographic. Egging is disrespectful, wasteful, and rude. Like blowing up communications towers, burning down car dealerships, and disrupting church services… Ever read Henelin’s Friday? Look around you. Rude and disrespectful is acceptable behavior Hartley M. “Kettle Belly” Baldwin is spot on.

  • Sensical

    Due to Obama’s economic policies, I cannot afford to put my money where my mouth is right now. But within the next year I plan to buy a full-size 4-door pick-up truck!!

  • steved28

    Marc,

    If your 2001 Hyundai Accent gets 44mpg, good for you. That’s 11mpg higher than the best EPA highway mileage and 20mpg better than the best city EPA mileage. That means if you drove my Altima hybrid you would get close to 60mpg. Let’s try and keep it real.

  • steved28

    Sensical, Can you provide a real world example of how Obama’s policies are preventing you from spending or earning money? Did you lose a job because of a policy? Are you paying more for something that is preventing you from buying a vehicle? I see statements like yours and am just curious at how it is effecting your bottom line. Can you cite a particular policy or law? Thanks.

  • Anonymous

    *rolls eyes*

    The human race is so INSIGNIFICANT. Even on planet earth. You cant tell me that something that, been around a little over 10,000 years is making a negative impact on something thats been around BILLIONS of years. This planet has seen FAR worse than us. Even if the world is coming to an end, just because we’re there for it doesn’t mean its our fault.

    This Self-Guilt that I’m seeing reminds me of when we were less knowledgeable. When Lightening would strike and we’d all cower in fear that the gods/god was angry with us, that maybe we did something wrong.

    Point is, get over yourself. You are not important. You are a tiny speck of nothing that exists in a vast universe that will not recognize anything you do.

  • steved28

    Anon, I too am rolling my eyes, at your comment.

    Maybe the Earth has been around billions of years, but PEOPLE were not! In those periods that the earth saw “far worse”, you fail to mention the it also could not sustain human life! Please don’t have kids, I’d hate to see you label them as “insignificant”.

  • Lost Prius to wife

    Bobdobbs, my wife and I are not Prius hypermiles. We are part of your Joe Q Public. At 65 mph, my wife runs 47 mpg in the winter and 50mpg, with the AC on, in the summer. On long trips at 75 mph, we run 49 mpg with the AC on. With the AC off speeds of 55 /60 mph, the summer time mileage runs about 53 mpg. I will admit that at about 6′ height and no rail extenders to the front seat, the knee room starts to disappear. Our 6′ 3″ son finds the knee room only just acceptable. Your 6′ 5″ would probably be uncomfortable without the rail extenders. That is a good selling point for the Jetta. And the TDI is a cleaner diesel than most. Your statement, “You may feel differently and make different choices based on different criteria because you are a different individual. That is the beauty of this country, SO FAR.” is totally accurate. I personally think you made a good choice. But I can tell you right now, any good Prius hypermiler can out do both your Jetta and my Prius.

    But I do take issue with your statement of the Prius as a “throw away car”. There are many generation one Prius that are 250,000 to 350,000 miles and running just fine using the original battery. And these batteries and cars are not as well made as the two newer generations of batteries and cars. I have no doubt, with proper maintenance, that my wife and I will see 15 to 20 years service out of our Prius. We still have our 1994 Celica. I only wish the Celica was not working so well so I would have an excuse to turn it in for one of the new hybrids or EVs. I just may have to bite the bullet at the approaching 300,000 mark and just decide to get a new car. Your New England adage “Use it up. Wear it out. Make it do or do without.” makes sense to us also up to about 20 years.

  • John Spencer

    Glen is dangerous. He is only interested in one thing, his ratings. He found a niche bad mouthing Obama and will continue to do so. I watched about 5 minutes of his show the other night and was disgusted.

    As for his take on hybrids, stick it in your ear Glen. Hybrids are being bought by millions, yes millions of people around the world, and they will continue to increase in popularity as time goes on. No, you would much rather we send money to Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, Russia, and soon Brazil.

  • Anonymous

    Anonymous says:

    “*rolls eyes*

    The human race is so INSIGNIFICANT”

    Sure is, but how did we screw up ozone layer? Not so insignificant are we?

    “This Self-Guilt that I’m seeing reminds me of when we were less knowledgeable. When Lightening would strike and we’d all cower in fear that the gods/god was angry with us, that maybe we did something wrong.”

    Putting your head in the sand reminds me of ignorance. Human race is in worse shape than I thought.

  • Anonymous

    Sensical says:
    “Due to Obama’s economic policies, I cannot afford to put my money where my mouth is right now. But within the next year I plan to buy a full-size 4-door pick-up truck!!”

    It’s always easy to blame someone else for your own problems. Judging from your spending plans, look in the mirror and you will see the problem. How about take some responsibility for your own life?

  • Anonymous

    Bobdobbs says: “By legislation, the Jetta and Prius have similar emissions.”

    Unhuh, by legislation you don’t need to wipe after taking a dump either. Let’s look at reality:

    http://priuschat.com/forums/gen-iii-2010-prius-main-forum/64518-emission-comparison-prius-hs250h-insight-civic-hybrid-jetta-gas-tdi-wrx-sti.html

    Similar? not at all, unless you’ve been inhaling too much of Jetta’s emissions.

  • John Hand

    John Spencer just commented to “Glenn’ that Glenn ‘would much rather we send money to Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, Russia, and soon Brazil.” But John S, what about sending US dollars to Japan to buy a Toyota Prius? Does that count? I drive Fords as well as my pleasure Miata and two hot (yes Japanese) bikes. As far as hybrids being bought by ‘millions,; I do think that figure is greatly exaggerated, for now. Back to Toyota, my wife bought a Toyota RAV. It has been pretty good as a SUV, (the best thing about it being how the lights light up the road), but we no longer take it to our local Toyota service dept. They always try to jack up the price on service, sell service not needed, and every time we have picked up the car since purchase, three times, the car was damaged, and they tried to hide it! So, unless there is a recall, that Toyota service dept will never see our RAV again. Wonder how YOUR Toyota service dept. is!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    John Hand says:
    “John Spencer just commented to “Glenn’ that Glenn ‘would much rather we send money to Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, Russia, and soon Brazil.” But John S, what about sending US dollars to Japan to buy a Toyota Prius? Does that count?”

    Of course that counts too, but the oil problem is much more severe. Drilling more domestically isn’t going to make a big difference and only addresses the symptoms (i.e. supply more fuel to feed wasteful energy usage). Furthermore, Toyota at least give back by setting up factories locally to make them (Mississippi plant has be delayed but will eventually make Prius). Keep in mind there are other hybrids being made by non-Japanese makers, such as Ford too. The lack of domestic hybrid is not a foreign problem, it’s a domestic one. The domestic companies, including Ford, went crazy with guzzelers and abandoned any plans for more efficient vehicles. Ford fortunately was able to react fast enough to turn it around. You can’t pin that problem on foreigners. US has to take some responsibility on the current oil addiction problem. Until the true problem is recognized and addressed, oil dependency will always create problems in some shape or form, such as going to war over oil.

  • Lost Prius to wife

    John Hand, you state, “As far as hybrids being bought by ‘millions,; I do think that figure is greatly exaggerated, for now.” If you would just consult the Hybrid Market Dashboard, found under the research tab on this site, you will find that hybrids of all kinds have been bought by millions. Right now hybrids are selling at the rate of just under a half million a year. Some of the figures are as follows:

    200,000+ sales in the USA for 2005

    363226 sales globally for 2006
    232685 sales in the USA for 2006

    459788 sales globally for 2007
    320380 sales in the USA for 2007

    479076 sales globally for 2008
    295295 sales in the USA for 2008

    200657 sales in the USA for 2009 (up to Aug)

    Both global and USA hybrids are in the millions.

  • Ecorealistic

    People who think Hybrids with their very expensive to replace batteries should think again about how ecologicaly friendly they really are. Not! The materials to make the batteries are mined in Canada and that leaves a very nasty scar on the land and uses a great deal of energy to recover said materials, Then the materials are shipped to Japan where the batteries are made using more energy to transport them and a great deal of energy to make the batteries. Then they are shipped back accross the ocean after they are put into the cars, using more energy for the shipping. They will last an average of 100,000 miles whereupon they need replacing at considerable expense. When you average out the cost per mile for 100,000 miles the Hummer cost less per mile to drive than the Prius.

  • BOBSKY

    Hybrid Driver -

    No global warming (I prefer Global Climate Change)? Who has their eyes closed? Do you get all of your science from Fox too?

    If Ignorance is bliss, conservatives are having a wonderful time….

  • BOBSKY

    Crut100-

    Incentives are there for those who cannot afford them otherwise and also to get people off their butts. Do you need a simpler explanation?

    I don’t know if you have noticed this or not, but most Americans will do NOTHING without a financial incentive. I repeat – NOTHING.

  • BOBSKY

    Correct -

    Looks like its even worse. That is, it takes even more people making less money who buy prius’ to balance the equation. Beck should have used Median, but that wouldn’t have provided the distortion he was looking for. If one hollywood star buys a prius, it immediately skews the average.

    Basic math folks…

  • Anonymous

    Ecorealistic says:
    “People who think Hybrids with their very expensive to replace batteries should think again about how ecologicaly friendly they really are. Not! The materials to make the batteries are mined in Canada and that leaves a very nasty scar on the land and uses a great deal of energy to recover said materials, Then the materials are shipped to Japan where the batteries are made using more energy to transport them and a great deal of energy to make the batteries. Then they are shipped back accross the ocean after they are put into the cars, using more energy for the shipping. They will last an average of 100,000 miles whereupon they need replacing at considerable expense. When you average out the cost per mile for 100,000 miles the Hummer cost less per mile to drive than the Prius.”

    Again, stop spreading debunked lies from dust to dust study. Do your homework and stop using scare tactics. This gets old fast. It’s like saying do you know you can die from drinking too much H2O, no common sense whatsoever of scale of appropriateness. Get a grip please.

  • Mr_Harold

    My philosophy is generally conservative.

    However, I should say that when conservatives come on here and say “typical liberal…” they are actually generalizing and liberals which has the same basic effect as name calling. Stereotyping is not productive.

    Beck’s methods have pros and cons. First Beck is ridculing tax breaks. The truth is that these tax breaks probably have little net effect on the long term. As a conservative, I generally object to these attempts at social engineering through the tax code. The irony is that they often have the opposite intended effect. For example, Cash for Clunkers probably may have had a net negative effect on the environment due to the needless destruction of old cars. Furthermore, it helped one sector of the economy at the expense of another, and probably the social benefit was negative. This is usually how tax-breaks (subsidies) work, they do not usually have a net positive effect on the economy, but rather just special interest groups. However, both Republicans and Democrats are guilty of this.

    Beck also stereotypes the left, and he generally is more forgiving of Republicans than Democrats. On the other hand, Hannity and Limbaugh are generally 100% pro-Republican and act as though Democrats are the root of all evil, which is ridiculous. Glenn Beck often exagerrates his points, but this article is actually more guilty as it implies that Glenn Beck somehow is responsible for anti-Prius vandalism, and it is not even clear what is at the root of the anti-Prius vandalism or even if it is out of the ordinary compared to other types of vehicles.

    To those who say that they are saving money by buying a Prius, the fuel cost savings are pretty marginal. You would just do better buying a cheaper car. There might be some merit to not sending the extra money to the Middle East, but again, the difference again is marginal. It probably has a miniscule (and I mean miniscule) effect on global demand for oil which is what really what causes the money to go to the oil producing countries. But the net effect on terrorism is another debate and we have seen the effect of economic sanctions or economically bankrupting a country does not actually seem to curb terrorism or extremism, but rather promote it.

    But going back to the global demand for oil – what has had more of an effect on this has been the world economy going sour. For years, the Republicans have over spent and the government’s debt as well as the public net savings rate (public debt) has caused the economy to be unstable. This was further accelerated by speculation in the housing market, which was caused because the federal government tried to “fix” the economy by lowering the interest rate.

    Now Democrats have ensured that our long term economy is going to suck big time due to the INSANE level of spending they have engaged in and want to continue engaging in.

    Again, that is the whole point. Does any number of government interventions actually help or hurt matters? Often the matter is very unclear.

  • Bigsky

    Hybrid, and plug-in cars may be great in a city environment. Some places out west, we drive for 4 or 5 hours to go shopping. Folks back east don’t get the shear distance between points in the west. We need to develop our own fuel sources (find more places to drill, instead of shutting them all down), tell the auto industry, “go ahead and continue working on fuel efficient vehicles, hybrid, or not, it’s a free market economy. If you go under, it is your own fault.” One of the enviro problems we have is with the Federal EPA and rules against the use of Diesel fuel! Diesel VW Jettas already get over 50 mpg. I knew of a person with a crew cab Dodge Pickup (big truck that would look like a gas guzzler), Diesel engine that got close to 26 mpg. Not shabby for a big truck. The EPA required US automakers to put diesel reburners in the exhaust system. The Dodges now get around 9 to 12 MPG again. The federal government has destroyed american ingenuity, and continues to do so with the help of the environmental fringe left. The UAW has done their fair share with the help of the federal government to destroy their own industries. Whether we are politically liberal or conservative doesn’t matter anymore. Our country is in danger of loosing the very foundation of what we are built upon. Most of us want clean air, clean water, and fuel efficient vehicles, we just disagree with the way to get there. Let the market work, if you want a Hybrid, then they will continue to be made to meet the supply. If I want to drive something a little bigger, than don’t ridicule me for it. Work to make bigger, more efficient vehicles.

    I think the Prius and most other hybrids currently out there are pretty ugly, “pop can” vehicles. I helped push one out of the ditch last winter and was afraid to crush it by pushing on the wrong part. I do know the Government Motors is working on new vehicles, but I think I’ll go with Ford. They didn’t take any of my tax dollars in stimulus to remain innovative and develop better vehicles.

    The Feds could help by allowing better Diesel vehicles already in use in other countries, and allowing our own automakers to continue with Diesel vehicles. Diesel is cheaper to refine from oil than gasoline, and there are other sources of Diesel fuel (plants, veg. oil, etc). Govt. get out of my wallet and go back to the Constitution and do what it asked of Govt. Let the free market continue!

  • steved28

    Mr_Harold says:

    “To those who say that they are saving money by buying a Prius, the fuel cost savings are pretty marginal. You would just do better buying a cheaper car.”

    Let me just give you my side of this story. I had a 96 T-bird. It got 15mpg city (90% of my driving). I needed a similar sized new car in 2007. I chose a Nissan Altima hybrid (made in KY BTW). It gets 36mpg (I am using EPA numbers, I get better, but it’s a mute point). I could have gotten a 2.5L Altima, and saved about $3K off my purchase.

    So lets see…

    96 T-bird: 15K miles/yr 1000 gal/yr = $4000 @ $4/gallon (gas price at the time of my purchase)

    2007 Altima 23mpg city, 652 gal/yr = $2,608 @ $4/gal

    2007 Altima hybrid, 36mpg city, 416 gal/yr $1,664 @ $4/gal.

    In fuel costs…
    I saved $2,336 over my old ride the first year.
    I saved $994 over the standard Altima in the first year.

    My brakes will most likely never need replacing (regen)
    My A/C motor is electric as is my PS, far less likely to need repair.
    I don’t even have an alternator, nor a belt on my engine.
    My batteries and hybrid system are warrantied to 150K miles per State/Federal law.
    I got traction control, not available in the standard Altima.

    My point is, I needed a new car, gas prices were high (and I expect we will see them high again) so why not go for the best mileage I could find in the class of car I was looking into? Maybe I was not looking to “recover” the higher cost of a hybrid, maybe I just wanted to use the least amount of fuel possible. I truly don’t understand getting chastised for that.

  • Lost Prius to wife

    Ecorealistic, you state, “They (hybrid batteries) will last an average of 100,000 miles whereupon they need replacing at considerable expense.” You and Bradtothebone really need to wake up and smell the coffee. Why do you think that Toyota has stated that their hybrid batteries will “last the lifetime of the car”? The new car warranties are 150,000 miles or eight years. There are some states that require the warranty to be 180,000 miles. Please explain to everyone where this “considerable expense” is coming from while the battery is still under warranty. The car manufactures plan for their cars to go 180,000 miles with only a minimum of warranty repairs. If the average person drives 15K miles per year and the car manufactures plan their cars to last 180,000, that means that the average person that takes good care of their cars can expect their cars to last 12 years with very few problems, warranty or not. I have proved this to myself since the lowest mileage car that we have sold off was 250,000 miles and still ran well. And the other four cars I owned with up to 360,000 mileage also still ran well at the time of their sale.

    Also, after the warranty runs out, a dealer replaced battery cost about $4K. And how many people will use the more expensive dealer for their battery replacement? And how much do rebuilt engines cost these days for non hybrid cars? And do not talk about rebuilding the Prius engine before ~270,000 miles. Remember, the engine only runs for about 2/3 the miles on the car. That means the engine will not see “180,000 miles” until the car has traveled ~270,000 miles.

  • eric

    Why would any legitimate blog give Beck the time of day? He is the harbinger of fascism to come if thinking people don’t start checking the facts for themselves. The man cannot be for anything good if it doesn’t bow down and worship his gods – money and power. He built his career on obsequious toadying to radical conservatism. No need to think, just check off the list fed to you by your “betters.”

    They are doing exactly the same thing the Nazis did. Create a climate of hate for anyone who is different from them, round up teachers who don’t follow orthodoxy, attack intellectuals, deny science. But the trains run on time!

    It ends with people dying in a holocaust.

    “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” – Sinclair Lewis

    (Not that I have anything against the flag, or religion.)

  • Anonymous

    Mr_Harold says:

    “First Beck is ridculing tax breaks. The truth is that these tax breaks probably have little net effect on the long term. As a conservative, I generally object to these attempts at social engineering through the tax code. The irony is that they often have the opposite intended effect. For example, Cash for Clunkers probably may have had a net negative effect on the environment due to the needless destruction of old cars. Furthermore, it helped one sector of the economy at the expense of another, and probably the social benefit was negative. This is usually how tax-breaks (subsidies) work, they do not usually have a net positive effect on the economy, but rather just special interest groups. However, both Republicans and Democrats are guilty of this.”

    The fact is cash for clunkers is more so for stimulus impact given the poor state of economy but also have benefits to environmental impact. The program takes working clunkers that would be otherwise be driven until the wheels fall off out of service forever. As most people familiar with air pollution can tell you, the low percentage of clunkers contributes great disproportionate amount of air pollution. Essentially given the two choices of keeping the clunker vs a new car for environmental reasons, the gov would encourage eliminate the clunker anytime.

    “To those who say that they are saving money by buying a Prius, the fuel cost savings are pretty marginal. You would just do better buying a cheaper car. There might be some merit to not sending the extra money to the Middle East, but again, the difference again is marginal. It probably has a miniscule (and I mean miniscule) effect on global demand for oil which is what really what causes the money to go to the oil producing countries. But the net effect on terrorism is another debate and we have seen the effect of economic sanctions or economically bankrupting a country does not actually seem to curb terrorism or extremism, but rather promote it.”

    Just like anything solution, it has to start somewhere and contribute towards solving the problem. The impact may be deemed small now, but it develop the tool to solve the problem. Furthermore, just like many things in life, sometimes it takes a relatively small minority to turn the tide. One excellent example is how economic downturn is triggered by small portion of oil speculators and contributed by small percentage of irresponsible loans. In any case, oil addiction problem will not go away, or likely will grow, by doing nothing.

    “But going back to the global demand for oil – what has had more of an effect on this has been the world economy going sour. For years, the Republicans have over spent and the government’s debt as well as the public net savings rate (public debt) has caused the economy to be unstable. This was further accelerated by speculation in the housing market, which was caused because the federal government tried to “fix” the economy by lowering the interest rate.”

    The global demand for oil has always been a key factor for crisis. It is also a roadblock for economic growth given it’s a limited resource and the law of supply and demand kicks in. The economic downturn, while has an impact on oil price, has shown us how vulnerable the country is with the current addiction issue. Kind of off topic here, but unless the goal is to have zero or negative growth in the economy, the oil issue has to be addressed. Without playing party lines, one has to ask how the 8 years of Bush rule has contributed the problem. The answer goes back to oil… the massive amount of money poured into Iraq is literally bleeding the Americans dry everyday. Why did he do that? One has to say oil is a key contributing factor.

  • Anonymous

    Bigsky says:
    “Hybrid, and plug-in cars may be great in a city environment. Some places out west, we drive for 4 or 5 hours to go shopping. Folks back east don’t get the shear distance between points in the west. We need to develop our own fuel sources (find more places to drill, instead of shutting them all down), tell the auto industry, “go ahead and continue working on fuel efficient vehicles, hybrid, or not, it’s a free market economy. If you go under, it is your own fault.””

    I lived in the west and now live in the east. I get both points. Both coasts have a common need, that is control appetite for oil. In a sense, the longer one drive, the more important fuel economy is. Take Prius as an example, it’s great in the city and on the highway. Drilling for more oil is not a long term solution and has little impact to the current situation. Let’s put it in a different perspective. If someone is taking a shower but most of the water is wasted through the downspout and inefficient shower head, does it make sense to say let’s solve the problem by supplying more water? To some the answer would be yes, but to me that’s just not smart usage of your assets and ultimately that’s how a country can go bankrupt.

    “One of the enviro problems we have is with the Federal EPA and rules against the use of Diesel fuel! Diesel VW Jettas already get over 50 mpg. I knew of a person with a crew cab Dodge Pickup (big truck that would look like a gas guzzler), Diesel engine that got close to 26 mpg. Not shabby for a big truck. The EPA required US automakers to put diesel reburners in the exhaust system. The Dodges now get around 9 to 12 MPG again. The federal government has destroyed american ingenuity, and continues to do so with the help of the environmental fringe left.”

    “Most of us want clean air, clean water, and fuel efficient vehicles, we just disagree with the way to get there. Let the market work, if you want a Hybrid, then they will continue to be made to meet the supply. If I want to drive something a little bigger, than don’t ridicule me for it. Work to make bigger, more efficient vehicles.”

    EPA rules are there for a reason, PM10 and other controlled emissions from diesels contributes to harmful air pollution that shorten life spans and degrades quality of life. It’s just like why smoking is banned in a lot of places, people always want a better quality and healthier life. Without the rules, we would probably be still burning lead fuel now.

    “I think the Prius and most other hybrids currently out there are pretty ugly, “pop can” vehicles. I helped push one out of the ditch last winter and was afraid to crush it by pushing on the wrong part. I do know the Government Motors is working on new vehicles, but I think I’ll go with Ford. They didn’t take any of my tax dollars in stimulus to remain innovative and develop better vehicles.”

    That’s a perfect example of market force at work with a given set of rules for a level playing field. You choose to go buy Ford, other may go for a Prius.

    “The Feds could help by allowing better Diesel vehicles already in use in other countries, and allowing our own automakers to continue with Diesel vehicles. Diesel is cheaper to refine from oil than gasoline, and there are other sources of Diesel fuel (plants, veg. oil, etc). Govt. get out of my wallet and go back to the Constitution and do what it asked of Govt. Let the free market continue!”

    Again, the pollution implication is too great without the rules. As human population grows, the absolute amount of pollution will accumulate much faster unless pollution targets per vehicle are correspondingly reduced. In a way this is good because it forces us to improve, which benefits everyone as time goes on.

  • Btclare

    He does not make a good point. He’s an idiot. Its semantics…he’s tricking you – he’s getting you to support his whole agenda by having you agree with one small statement (tax breaks for rich). A tax break for these cars would make them affordable to people who don’t make as much. The tax break puts “expensive” hybrids within the reach of normal people. And last time I checked a 22,000 Prius or 19,000 Insight hybrid doesn’t sound all that out of reach for everyone and you’ll save thousands in gas over 10 years. I don’t make anything near 100,000 but I’m smart enough to see a good deal when I see one!

  • Z-manski

    Not exactly sure what to say to you, Tim Dugan, other than, yes you are crazy…. but not in a good or loveable way – more of an insane, idiot way! Yes, aren’t you glad that in our country, we love our idiots, rather than shoot them!! Bang, bang, your bad vibes are showing!!
    Peace, out …. :-)

  • Z-manski

    Not exactly sure what to say to you, Tim Dugin, other than, yes you are crazy…. but not in a good or loveable way – more of an insane, idiot way! Yes, aren’t you glad that in our country, we love our idiots, rather than shoot them!! Bang, bang, your bad vibes are showing!!
    Peace, out …. :-)

  • CJ

    Thank you! I feel better now too! I feel sorry for all the anger and hostility these Left Fanatics have!
    They are like blind sheep!

  • CJ

    Love it! Too bad they won’t listen! These people doing all the hateful things against conservatives are like blind sheep refusing to see the truth because now they have a war to start with Americans that don’t want to be socialists. I f they don’t want their freedom, I hope they move to a communist country soon! Thank you!

  • CJ

    Lets hope the Obamamaniacs don’t get in another 4 years!

  • Elliot

    I find it pretty humorous that the “conservative” posters on this thread started out mocking Obama and calling those who wish to purchase hybrids and protect the environments idiots and members of the looney left. Next thing you know they are whining about people “blowviating” and insulting them. Oh sweet irony.

    Why do people feel the need to mock and get so personal about these things? Perhaps our current President can inspire you in one important area….civility. It makes for a much better conversation.

    Excuse me, I have to go clean the rims on my 2008 HH.

  • Anonymous

    CJ says:
    “Lets hope the Obamamaniacs don’t get in another 4 years!”

    And what? Bring someone like Bush Jr for another 8 yrs? [snicker]

    Let’s not your selfish party agenda ruin it for all the the country, and possibly all of the world.

  • Brian Fisher

    Todd you say: But for no other reason that hybrid batteries don’t last forever and when they go, all that gas savings is lost with the replacement costs.

    All I can say is that I have a 2001 Prius and the traction battery still works fine. When do you foresee it failing? I have over 125,000 miles on the clock. Up til now only the front discs on the brakes have been replaced and I have installed a new 12 volt battery.

    Where are you getting your info? Somehow I don’t think it is based on your experience.

  • HyBuck

    I bought a Civic hybrid in 2004 when gas was $1.50 & rising. I’ve got over 180k on it now with 50+mpg ave. No probs, routine maint. Considering the Grand Cherokee I was driving, I paid for the hybrid in roughly 2 1/2 yrs. I’ll drive it til I die or it does. . .