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		<title>By: Kristian Bjørnard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristian Bjørnard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 00:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well how often do you make +1000 mi trips? Probably not often.&lt;br /&gt;
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The point is that the average trip people in America make is less than 100mi round trip, so the car services 90% of peoples needs. Those that need longer range all the time buy something else. If you make longer trips only occasionally then renting a car or having a second vehicle (most american families have at least 2 cars anyway) that can make the longer distances is the option (perhaps a plug-in hybrid?)&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, looking into the future a few years Nissan + Renault (as part of the battery lease program) plan on having battery changing stations located frequently enough in larger city areas that you would be able to make longer trips by exchanging your battery part way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well how often do you make +1000 mi trips? Probably not often.</p>
<p>The point is that the average trip people in America make is less than 100mi round trip, so the car services 90% of peoples needs. Those that need longer range all the time buy something else. If you make longer trips only occasionally then renting a car or having a second vehicle (most american families have at least 2 cars anyway) that can make the longer distances is the option (perhaps a plug-in hybrid?)</p>
<p>Also, looking into the future a few years Nissan + Renault (as part of the battery lease program) plan on having battery changing stations located frequently enough in larger city areas that you would be able to make longer trips by exchanging your battery part way.</p>
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		<title>By: ex-EV1 driver</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/boring-conversation-about-nissan-leaf-26272/#comment-22554</link>
		<dc:creator>ex-EV1 driver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bob,&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;Boring&quot; is clearly tongue-in-cheek.  This web site is one of the most pro-alternative energy websites on the entire web. &lt;br /&gt;
&quot;Boring&quot; is used affectionately here because, as electric vehicle are becoming reality, they are proving that they work just as well as the old gassers, except that they don&#039;t pollute, run smoother, are a bit quicker off the line, can be refuelled at home, and don&#039;t require any petroleum products to run.&lt;br /&gt;
I, personally think that Volt&#039;s &quot;predicament&quot; may be true if people have a daily drive of 40 highway miles and don&#039;t expect to use any gasoline at all since I suspect that the Volt won&#039;t actually go 40 miles without the gasoline kicking in unless you drive below 55 mph in a relatively sedate manner.  For most people, however, the Volt will be awesome as their gasoline consumption will decrease dramatically, perhaps completely for their daily routine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,<br />
&#8220;Boring&#8221; is clearly tongue-in-cheek.  This web site is one of the most pro-alternative energy websites on the entire web. <br />
&#8220;Boring&#8221; is used affectionately here because, as electric vehicle are becoming reality, they are proving that they work just as well as the old gassers, except that they don&#8217;t pollute, run smoother, are a bit quicker off the line, can be refuelled at home, and don&#8217;t require any petroleum products to run.<br />
I, personally think that Volt&#8217;s &#8220;predicament&#8221; may be true if people have a daily drive of 40 highway miles and don&#8217;t expect to use any gasoline at all since I suspect that the Volt won&#8217;t actually go 40 miles without the gasoline kicking in unless you drive below 55 mph in a relatively sedate manner.  For most people, however, the Volt will be awesome as their gasoline consumption will decrease dramatically, perhaps completely for their daily routine.</p>
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		<title>By: bob92</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/boring-conversation-about-nissan-leaf-26272/#comment-22553</link>
		<dc:creator>bob92</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why does this web site feel like it has a negative attitude towards alternative fuel vehicles?  Why for example, headlines like &quot;boring&quot; conversation and &quot;predicament&quot; for the volt?  What&#039;s boring about the first mass produced electric car in a century coming out?  I don&#039;t get it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does this web site feel like it has a negative attitude towards alternative fuel vehicles?  Why for example, headlines like &#8220;boring&#8221; conversation and &#8220;predicament&#8221; for the volt?  What&#8217;s boring about the first mass produced electric car in a century coming out?  I don&#8217;t get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Electric for the city and pop by Hertz or whoever to rent a gasser for the trip to Florida...how simple and economical. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Electric for the city and pop by Hertz or whoever to rent a gasser for the trip to Florida&#8230;how simple and economical. </p>
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		<title>By: ex-EV1 driver</title>
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		<dc:creator>ex-EV1 driver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another boring piece :-) about the other EV that will be on the market soon:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
http://chevroletvoltage.com/&lt;br /&gt;
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I had the chance to drive a Mitsubishi MIEV EV prototype recently.  It will likely be going on sale in Japan very soon and in Europe and the US within the next couple of years.  Again, a boring experience.  It just drives like one expects a car to, just quieter, smoother, and with a great turn radius.  While lacking a bit in aesthetics from my perspective, it would be a very practical car.  It fit my 6&#039;4&quot; frame great and my short wife loved the driver visibility.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another boring piece <img src='http://www.hybridcars.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  about the other EV that will be on the market soon:</p>
<p><a href="http://chevroletvoltage.com/" rel="nofollow">http://chevroletvoltage.com/</a></p>
<p>I had the chance to drive a Mitsubishi MIEV EV prototype recently.  It will likely be going on sale in Japan very soon and in Europe and the US within the next couple of years.  Again, a boring experience.  It just drives like one expects a car to, just quieter, smoother, and with a great turn radius.  While lacking a bit in aesthetics from my perspective, it would be a very practical car.  It fit my 6&#8217;4&#8243; frame great and my short wife loved the driver visibility.</p>
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		<title>By: scolas</title>
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		<dc:creator>scolas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Boring is fine with me.  In fact, to lessen the anxiety of running out of power before getting home, I would like to see a reserve type function similar to my dirt bike where the driver can push a button and get another 10 miles or so after it initially shows fully discharged.&lt;br /&gt;
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Does anyone know if this will be incorporated in the system?   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boring is fine with me.  In fact, to lessen the anxiety of running out of power before getting home, I would like to see a reserve type function similar to my dirt bike where the driver can push a button and get another 10 miles or so after it initially shows fully discharged.</p>
<p>Does anyone know if this will be incorporated in the system?   </p>
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		<title>By: Scott Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am fairly certain the $150 is an option.  I could be wrong.  It seems some people are still under the impression that the batteries could just up and fail leaving you with the need to shell out 8k to replace them.  If you don&#039;t have a concern there you can just buy them with the car.  It is up to you.  My Prius has been perfectly fine for over 5 years now so I have no worries.&lt;br /&gt;
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The range is estimated at 100 miles but you should all know there is no way to give this a solid number.  Driver 1 could drive like he is on a race track and get 40 miles from one charge while driver 2 could be closer to average and get 80 while driver 3 is a &quot;MPG&quot; nut and gets 110 miles.  Just like a gas car mileage varies.  The difference here is there is no easy way to stop and refuel.&lt;br /&gt;
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Right now I average about 46 MPG with my Prius.  When the world around me makes me angry I can drag it down to 43.  When I am in my MPG nut moment I have pulled 52.  These are all averages from a tank of fuel. &lt;br /&gt;
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This car is designed to be a commuter car.  Most Americas drive less than 32 miles to get to work.  This will get you there and back.  You will not be delivering pizzas with it.  You will not visit the in-laws three states away with it.  We are not there yet.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am fairly certain the $150 is an option.  I could be wrong.  It seems some people are still under the impression that the batteries could just up and fail leaving you with the need to shell out 8k to replace them.  If you don&#8217;t have a concern there you can just buy them with the car.  It is up to you.  My Prius has been perfectly fine for over 5 years now so I have no worries.</p>
<p>The range is estimated at 100 miles but you should all know there is no way to give this a solid number.  Driver 1 could drive like he is on a race track and get 40 miles from one charge while driver 2 could be closer to average and get 80 while driver 3 is a &#8220;MPG&#8221; nut and gets 110 miles.  Just like a gas car mileage varies.  The difference here is there is no easy way to stop and refuel.</p>
<p>Right now I average about 46 MPG with my Prius.  When the world around me makes me angry I can drag it down to 43.  When I am in my MPG nut moment I have pulled 52.  These are all averages from a tank of fuel. </p>
<p>This car is designed to be a commuter car.  Most Americas drive less than 32 miles to get to work.  This will get you there and back.  You will not be delivering pizzas with it.  You will not visit the in-laws three states away with it.  We are not there yet.</p>
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		<title>By: ChicagoPaul</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChicagoPaul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a really good faq page that answer nearly all your questions.&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.nissanusa.com/leaf-electric-car/#/car/index&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For example:&lt;br /&gt;
Q:Is it true that the LEAF get rid of all fluids such as coolant, transmission, steering wheel, brake...?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A:Most of these funcs are electronic, without fluids or motor oil. It will have brake fluid and washer fluid, tho.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a really good faq page that answer nearly all your questions.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nissanusa.com/leaf-electric-car/#/car/index" rel="nofollow">http://www.nissanusa.com/leaf-electric-car/#/car/index</a></p>
<p>For example:<br />
Q:Is it true that the LEAF get rid of all fluids such as coolant, transmission, steering wheel, brake&#8230;?</p>
<p>A:Most of these funcs are electronic, without fluids or motor oil. It will have brake fluid and washer fluid, tho.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perfect car for my lifestyle.  Bring it Nissan!  Tired of waiting!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
As for price, is the $30,000 before the government $7,500 rebate?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perfect car for my lifestyle.  Bring it Nissan!  Tired of waiting!</p>
<p>As for price, is the $30,000 before the government $7,500 rebate?</p>
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		<title>By: FamilyGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>FamilyGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looks like a nice commuting car, but unfortunately, that&#039;s all.  It wouldn&#039;t have done well on my near 1000 mile round trip Thanksgiving driving marathon.&lt;br /&gt;
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I want to like it, I really do.  But, I&#039;d have a hard time shelling out $30k and still paying $150/month for the batteries.  I don&#039;t pay $150/month in gas now.  I&#039;m all for the planet and getting off of imported oil, but (again), I need to run my own life a like a business to a certain degree.  Like Nissan is using the Versa as the &quot;mule&#039;, you could buy a Versa for half the price and still spend less on gas then the battery lease.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I could get a Leaf for $30k or on the other hand, I could get a Versa for $15k and put that other $15k in my kids college funds.  I am only a Family Guy and not rolling in that much money.&lt;br /&gt;
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As a stay at home Dad, I&#039;ll have to start to log my daily miles.  I wonder how often I go near or over 100 miles.  Also, I wonder about the recharge time.  The article talks about over night.  Is that 8 hours?  10 hours?  12 hours?  What about partial charges during the day?  Run some errands in the morning, come home, charge the car during lunch and afternoon nap time for the kids and go out again in the afternoon.  Does a 3 hour charge get me 30 miles?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This is an exciting step in getting off of imported oil and opening the door to more EV production.  I hope that there are enough people out there who can use this car and purchase it.  From a price standpoint, it&#039;s just not where it need to be for me.  Also, the 100 mile range really only means daily use; not weekend trips to visit family and friends, not vacations, nothing really more then an hour on the highway to ensure a safe return home.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like a nice commuting car, but unfortunately, that&#8217;s all.  It wouldn&#8217;t have done well on my near 1000 mile round trip Thanksgiving driving marathon.</p>
<p>I want to like it, I really do.  But, I&#8217;d have a hard time shelling out $30k and still paying $150/month for the batteries.  I don&#8217;t pay $150/month in gas now.  I&#8217;m all for the planet and getting off of imported oil, but (again), I need to run my own life a like a business to a certain degree.  Like Nissan is using the Versa as the &#8220;mule&#8217;, you could buy a Versa for half the price and still spend less on gas then the battery lease.</p>
<p>I could get a Leaf for $30k or on the other hand, I could get a Versa for $15k and put that other $15k in my kids college funds.  I am only a Family Guy and not rolling in that much money.</p>
<p>As a stay at home Dad, I&#8217;ll have to start to log my daily miles.  I wonder how often I go near or over 100 miles.  Also, I wonder about the recharge time.  The article talks about over night.  Is that 8 hours?  10 hours?  12 hours?  What about partial charges during the day?  Run some errands in the morning, come home, charge the car during lunch and afternoon nap time for the kids and go out again in the afternoon.  Does a 3 hour charge get me 30 miles?</p>
<p>This is an exciting step in getting off of imported oil and opening the door to more EV production.  I hope that there are enough people out there who can use this car and purchase it.  From a price standpoint, it&#8217;s just not where it need to be for me.  Also, the 100 mile range really only means daily use; not weekend trips to visit family and friends, not vacations, nothing really more then an hour on the highway to ensure a safe return home.</p>
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