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		<title>By: Carson</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/bmw-hybrids-arrive-late-game-and-wrong-one-25991/#comment-20637</link>
		<dc:creator>Carson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t waste your money on this junk.If you are going to by a nice exotic car think about this following list a bugatti veyron,ferrari f430 spyder or a maserati birdcage.Now all these cars seem like alot of money but they are all better than this beemer.a maserati birdcage costs about 3,000,000 a ferrari f430 costs about 240,000 and a bugatti veyron costs about 1,500,000. Now if you dont wan&#039;t that high but still want an exoctic nice car than you should aim for a cotvette or your looking at a porche.Dont buy this car a mazda rx-8 is better than this.And a mazda rx-8 starts only at about 28,000 dollars if you can&#039;t afford that than I don&#039;t know what you can afford.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t waste your money on this junk.If you are going to by a nice exotic car think about this following list a bugatti veyron,ferrari f430 spyder or a maserati birdcage.Now all these cars seem like alot of money but they are all better than this beemer.a maserati birdcage costs about 3,000,000 a ferrari f430 costs about 240,000 and a bugatti veyron costs about 1,500,000. Now if you dont wan&#8217;t that high but still want an exoctic nice car than you should aim for a cotvette or your looking at a porche.Dont buy this car a mazda rx-8 is better than this.And a mazda rx-8 starts only at about 28,000 dollars if you can&#8217;t afford that than I don&#8217;t know what you can afford.</p>
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		<title>By: TwoHybrids</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/bmw-hybrids-arrive-late-game-and-wrong-one-25991/#comment-20636</link>
		<dc:creator>TwoHybrids</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve owned two Acuras, two BMW 3-series, and now two hybrids, a Prius and a Lexus RX400h.  (Love our Prius and our Lexus; they are wonderful in their own ways.)   If you enjoy driving, BMWs are superb cars, athletic &amp; responsive and solid &amp; smooth.  But other than their diesels and their new twin-turbo six, BMW MPG generally sucks.  &lt;br /&gt;
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I was hoping BMW would lure me back to their marque with hybrids.  If they could retain their handling, fit and finish but increase their fuel efficiency, they&#039;d have had me for sure.&lt;br /&gt;
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But like this post says, these two hybrids are the wrong choice.  I understand the argument that it&#039;s high-end R&amp;D that will trickle down, but if you&#039;ve owned an RX400h like I have, you know that it&#039;s a done-done-done car, not a rolling experiment in luxury-hybrid-ness.  BMW is way behind the curve now, and sadly so, given how much I like their cars.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve owned two Acuras, two BMW 3-series, and now two hybrids, a Prius and a Lexus RX400h.  (Love our Prius and our Lexus; they are wonderful in their own ways.)   If you enjoy driving, BMWs are superb cars, athletic &#038; responsive and solid &#038; smooth.  But other than their diesels and their new twin-turbo six, BMW MPG generally sucks.  </p>
<p>I was hoping BMW would lure me back to their marque with hybrids.  If they could retain their handling, fit and finish but increase their fuel efficiency, they&#8217;d have had me for sure.</p>
<p>But like this post says, these two hybrids are the wrong choice.  I understand the argument that it&#8217;s high-end R&#038;D that will trickle down, but if you&#8217;ve owned an RX400h like I have, you know that it&#8217;s a done-done-done car, not a rolling experiment in luxury-hybrid-ness.  BMW is way behind the curve now, and sadly so, given how much I like their cars.</p>
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		<title>By: ACAGal</title>
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		<dc:creator>ACAGal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[20 mpg. My 850 turbo Volvo wagon does that as an average, if I keep it in sport....does better in economy.  &lt;br /&gt;
A better question is why SUVs?  The storage capacity is usually the same from wagon to SUV (of same class and manufacturer), yet the lower profile of a wagon/estate gives slightly better mileage. &lt;br /&gt;
Why do I prefer a wagon to an SUV?  I can load racing bikes, plywood, and other odd things that small trucks carry on the top, because the vehicle is low enough that I had load and unload the top.  I can drop a back and front passenger seat a throw in surf boards, while still having backseat room for two. The passenger front seat down, and the backseat for seat-belted passenger makes a decent elevation for a sporting friend who failed to miss a pothole and sprained an ankle.  &lt;br /&gt;
I do like BMW handling.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>20 mpg. My 850 turbo Volvo wagon does that as an average, if I keep it in sport&#8230;.does better in economy.  <br />
A better question is why SUVs?  The storage capacity is usually the same from wagon to SUV (of same class and manufacturer), yet the lower profile of a wagon/estate gives slightly better mileage. <br />
Why do I prefer a wagon to an SUV?  I can load racing bikes, plywood, and other odd things that small trucks carry on the top, because the vehicle is low enough that I had load and unload the top.  I can drop a back and front passenger seat a throw in surf boards, while still having backseat room for two. The passenger front seat down, and the backseat for seat-belted passenger makes a decent elevation for a sporting friend who failed to miss a pothole and sprained an ankle.  <br />
I do like BMW handling.</p>
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		<title>By: Debt Settlement Program</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/bmw-hybrids-arrive-late-game-and-wrong-one-25991/#comment-20634</link>
		<dc:creator>Debt Settlement Program</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[complex post. due one unimportant where I bicker with it. I am emailing you in detail.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>complex post. due one unimportant where I bicker with it. I am emailing you in detail.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil U.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil U.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 15:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anonymous:&lt;br /&gt;
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Regarding your sales figures, where did you get those?  Not that I doubt them, but I&#039;ve tried in the past to gather such info and was unsuccessful.  Thanks in advance.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, what&#039;s up with the Tahoe?  Why so much interest in July?  I asked a dealer last week and he said they were just sitting there.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, anyway you could compare the ones you listed with their non-hybrid versions where one exists?  Maybe throw in some small ICE, too?  Like the Civic, Fit, Yaris, etc.?  I&#039;m just curious.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous:</p>
<p>Regarding your sales figures, where did you get those?  Not that I doubt them, but I&#8217;ve tried in the past to gather such info and was unsuccessful.  Thanks in advance.</p>
<p>Also, what&#8217;s up with the Tahoe?  Why so much interest in July?  I asked a dealer last week and he said they were just sitting there.</p>
<p>Also, anyway you could compare the ones you listed with their non-hybrid versions where one exists?  Maybe throw in some small ICE, too?  Like the Civic, Fit, Yaris, etc.?  I&#8217;m just curious.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mister E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s oxymoronic about &quot;“the fastest-accelerating hybrid sedan in the world”?&lt;br /&gt;
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In case you haven&#039;t noticed, all car drivers aren&#039;t tree huggers.  The sooner the industry develops more fuel-efficient environmentally friendly vehicles to meet the needs/desires of the non-tree hugging segments, the better.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I attended the Plug-In Conference last week.  While pulling out of the parking lot I saw 1 Prius and 2 Teslas.  While I was tempted to drag-race one of the Teslas in my 911, I wisely opted not to embarrass myself.  If only the Tesla had back seats or the Fisker had a drop-top...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Earlier that day we leased an RX 450h for my wife.  Sure it&#039;s not a 50 mpg gas sipper, but she can haul around kids and groceries at the same time and do it at 30 mpg instead of the 12 mpg we were getting in her Mercedes ML 55...and amazingly the RX accelerates almost as quickly!&lt;br /&gt;
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Ideally, we&#039;d all be riding bicycles most of the time, which is what I do.  However, it simply not practical for all of us all of the time.  Our vehicle needs and desires are extremely diverse and the sooner the industry and the pundits realize this, the better.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;ve no interest in purchasing a 20 mpg X6, but someone probably does, and if it&#039;s 20% more fuel efficient than the non-hybrid version, that&#039;s better than nothing.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s oxymoronic about &#8220;“the fastest-accelerating hybrid sedan in the world”?</p>
<p>In case you haven&#8217;t noticed, all car drivers aren&#8217;t tree huggers.  The sooner the industry develops more fuel-efficient environmentally friendly vehicles to meet the needs/desires of the non-tree hugging segments, the better.  </p>
<p>I attended the Plug-In Conference last week.  While pulling out of the parking lot I saw 1 Prius and 2 Teslas.  While I was tempted to drag-race one of the Teslas in my 911, I wisely opted not to embarrass myself.  If only the Tesla had back seats or the Fisker had a drop-top&#8230;</p>
<p>Earlier that day we leased an RX 450h for my wife.  Sure it&#8217;s not a 50 mpg gas sipper, but she can haul around kids and groceries at the same time and do it at 30 mpg instead of the 12 mpg we were getting in her Mercedes ML 55&#8230;and amazingly the RX accelerates almost as quickly!</p>
<p>Ideally, we&#8217;d all be riding bicycles most of the time, which is what I do.  However, it simply not practical for all of us all of the time.  Our vehicle needs and desires are extremely diverse and the sooner the industry and the pundits realize this, the better.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve no interest in purchasing a 20 mpg X6, but someone probably does, and if it&#8217;s 20% more fuel efficient than the non-hybrid version, that&#8217;s better than nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: alancamp</title>
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		<dc:creator>alancamp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 03:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mercedes Benz has the S300 coming that&#039;s their BlueTec Diesel and electric hybrid.  It&#039;s supposed to get from 44 to 50 MPG in a big S Class.  The ML and GL are coming with the same setup with about the same mileage.  So BMW had better focus on what consumers are asking for, instead of token hybrids.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mercedes Benz has the S300 coming that&#8217;s their BlueTec Diesel and electric hybrid.  It&#8217;s supposed to get from 44 to 50 MPG in a big S Class.  The ML and GL are coming with the same setup with about the same mileage.  So BMW had better focus on what consumers are asking for, instead of token hybrids.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 13:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello BMW&lt;br /&gt;
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Some info about sales of Hybrids with V8 engine&lt;br /&gt;
Vehicle - (July-2009 / YTD-2009)&lt;br /&gt;
Tahoe - (954 / 1964)&lt;br /&gt;
Yukon - (117 / 1076)&lt;br /&gt;
Escalade - (167 / 1050)&lt;br /&gt;
LS600h - (28 / 185)&lt;br /&gt;
Silverado - (180 / 650)&lt;br /&gt;
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Total - (1446 / 4925)&lt;br /&gt;
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You know how many BMW could sell their 70K machine.&lt;br /&gt;
On the other hand&lt;br /&gt;
Prius - (19,173 / 74,924)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Small Hybrids are the way to go.  More of these are coming.&lt;br /&gt;
By 2011, we may have Yaris &amp; Fit Hybrids which may sell even more than Prius if they are priced affordably.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello BMW</p>
<p>Some info about sales of Hybrids with V8 engine<br />
Vehicle &#8211; (July-2009 / YTD-2009)<br />
Tahoe &#8211; (954 / 1964)<br />
Yukon &#8211; (117 / 1076)<br />
Escalade &#8211; (167 / 1050)<br />
LS600h &#8211; (28 / 185)<br />
Silverado &#8211; (180 / 650)</p>
<p>Total &#8211; (1446 / 4925)</p>
<p>You know how many BMW could sell their 70K machine.<br />
On the other hand<br />
Prius &#8211; (19,173 / 74,924)</p>
<p>Small Hybrids are the way to go.  More of these are coming.<br />
By 2011, we may have Yaris &#038; Fit Hybrids which may sell even more than Prius if they are priced affordably.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil U.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil U.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Everyone:&lt;br /&gt;
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Let&#039;s not forget that Lexus (i.e. Toyota) has their hybrid LS that costs over $100,000 and only gets 21 mpg because of its performance tuned V8.  And their hybrid GS that costs over $55,000 and gets 23 mpg. So BMW and to some degree GM are not alone in their thinking that there&#039;s a market for high-end hybrids that aren&#039;t true gas sippers but reduce gas consumption for those who would purchase a high-performance ICE-powered vehicle anyways.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Most of you probably consider these silly and wasteful as do I since they really only provide style and speed.  But you probably think my hybrid SUV is silly and wasteful, too, while I consider it very utilitarian for my family.  Ultimately the solution is really to get all vehicles to be more fuel efficient.  There will always be those that want a bigger or faster or more stylish car.  That&#039;s why they exist.  There&#039;s a market for them.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Except for the BMW X6.  It&#039;s too ugly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone:</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not forget that Lexus (i.e. Toyota) has their hybrid LS that costs over $100,000 and only gets 21 mpg because of its performance tuned V8.  And their hybrid GS that costs over $55,000 and gets 23 mpg. So BMW and to some degree GM are not alone in their thinking that there&#8217;s a market for high-end hybrids that aren&#8217;t true gas sippers but reduce gas consumption for those who would purchase a high-performance ICE-powered vehicle anyways.</p>
<p>Most of you probably consider these silly and wasteful as do I since they really only provide style and speed.  But you probably think my hybrid SUV is silly and wasteful, too, while I consider it very utilitarian for my family.  Ultimately the solution is really to get all vehicles to be more fuel efficient.  There will always be those that want a bigger or faster or more stylish car.  That&#8217;s why they exist.  There&#8217;s a market for them.</p>
<p>Except for the BMW X6.  It&#8217;s too ugly.</p>
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		<title>By: GR</title>
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		<dc:creator>GR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a pretty big difference between Honda and BMW, Old Man Crowder.  &lt;br /&gt;
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BMW clients are more likely to be the globe-trotting, business-class seating type, with memberships to the local country clubs.  Especially higher-end Beamers like these.&lt;br /&gt;
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While most Americans would see this as superficial, many upper income Americans do see a difference between pulling up to the local country club in a Honda Accord Hybrid vs a BMW Hybrid.&lt;br /&gt;
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So while it&#039;s nowhere near the 100 mpg BMW Hybrid that we had all hoped for, it&#039;s a start.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a pretty big difference between Honda and BMW, Old Man Crowder.  </p>
<p>BMW clients are more likely to be the globe-trotting, business-class seating type, with memberships to the local country clubs.  Especially higher-end Beamers like these.</p>
<p>While most Americans would see this as superficial, many upper income Americans do see a difference between pulling up to the local country club in a Honda Accord Hybrid vs a BMW Hybrid.</p>
<p>So while it&#8217;s nowhere near the 100 mpg BMW Hybrid that we had all hoped for, it&#8217;s a start.</p>
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