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	<title>Comments on: Consulting Group: Beware of Electric Car Costs</title>
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		<title>By: Consultoria RH</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/auto-task-force-advisors-beware-ev-costs-25685/#comment-18166</link>
		<dc:creator>Consultoria RH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 20:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Este blog é uma representação exata de competências. Eu gosto da sua recomendação. Um grande conceito que reflete os pensamentos do escritor. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.luizpaschoal.com.br&quot;&gt;Consultoria RH&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Este blog é uma representação exata de competências. Eu gosto da sua recomendação. Um grande conceito que reflete os pensamentos do escritor. <a href="http://www.luizpaschoal.com.br">Consultoria RH</a></p>
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		<title>By: TRUGROUP</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/auto-task-force-advisors-beware-ev-costs-25685/#comment-18165</link>
		<dc:creator>TRUGROUP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The relationship between the development of battery technology and the demand adoption curve for electric vehicles is more potent than the idea posed by the BCG that it is mainly “value proposition” that will drive adoption. The report is naïve on how in time the dual effect of technology and production volumes dramatically bring down costs. Also, the report clearly underestimates the sea-change in consumer demand across the world (especially outside of the USA) for more environmentally friendly and efficient cars. “Value proposition” is a concept which does not fit with the model of the times!&lt;br /&gt;
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The plug-in will come first and succeed because the (battery) technology will be available earlier and because it makes sense to opinion leaders and early adopters.&lt;br /&gt;
You can find the TRU group Inc forecast for electric vehicles in the slide presentation given at the recent lithium supply-demand conference in Santiago, Chile. The link is &lt;br /&gt;
http://trugroup.com/Lithium-Market-Conference.html&lt;br /&gt;
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TRU Group Inc&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The relationship between the development of battery technology and the demand adoption curve for electric vehicles is more potent than the idea posed by the BCG that it is mainly “value proposition” that will drive adoption. The report is naïve on how in time the dual effect of technology and production volumes dramatically bring down costs. Also, the report clearly underestimates the sea-change in consumer demand across the world (especially outside of the USA) for more environmentally friendly and efficient cars. “Value proposition” is a concept which does not fit with the model of the times!</p>
<p>The plug-in will come first and succeed because the (battery) technology will be available earlier and because it makes sense to opinion leaders and early adopters.<br />
You can find the TRU group Inc forecast for electric vehicles in the slide presentation given at the recent lithium supply-demand conference in Santiago, Chile. The link is <br />
<a href="http://trugroup.com/Lithium-Market-Conference.html" rel="nofollow">http://trugroup.com/Lithium-Market-Conference.html</a></p>
<p>TRU Group Inc</p>
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		<title>By: fkramer@calcars.org</title>
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		<dc:creator>fkramer@calcars.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 17:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for bringing this to our attention and providing a very informative interview. We&#039;ve written an extended analysis and commentary on the report, titled &quot;Automotive Task Force Consultants Are Plug-In Skeptics&quot;,&quot; available at the CalCars-News Archive, http://www.calcars.org/calcars-news/1055.html&lt;br /&gt;
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-- Felix Kramer, Founder, The California Cars Initiative]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for bringing this to our attention and providing a very informative interview. We&#8217;ve written an extended analysis and commentary on the report, titled &#8220;Automotive Task Force Consultants Are Plug-In Skeptics&#8221;,&#8221; available at the CalCars-News Archive, <a href="http://www.calcars.org/calcars-news/1055.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.calcars.org/calcars-news/1055.html</a></p>
<p>&#8211; Felix Kramer, Founder, The California Cars Initiative</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Nicholson</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/auto-task-force-advisors-beware-ev-costs-25685/#comment-18163</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Nicholson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 06:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I paid $475/Kilowatt-hour for my little .76 KWH LiFePO4 rechargeable battery, and that was a fed-ex delivered price from red China.  &lt;br /&gt;
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The price of oil is incorrect because the dollar is under deflation.  Actually home prices, oil prices, etc. have remained pretty constant.  (Look up the definition of the word &#039;deflation&#039;.)  Red China&#039;s tyrants decided to sequester US money at a 38% greater rate than ever before last July.  The fed failed to increase the money supply.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Of course the cheapest way to make cars fuel efficient is to mandate lower coefficients of drag.  60% of the energy of a vehicle is just to move the air out of the way.  If the government insisted on lower coefficients of drag for all vehicles, that would enclose the wheel wells, add boat tails and belly pans and end America&#039;s dependence on middle-eastern oil, almost instantly.  Of course, the cars would be &#039;ugly&#039;.  &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I paid $475/Kilowatt-hour for my little .76 KWH LiFePO4 rechargeable battery, and that was a fed-ex delivered price from red China.  </p>
<p>The price of oil is incorrect because the dollar is under deflation.  Actually home prices, oil prices, etc. have remained pretty constant.  (Look up the definition of the word &#8216;deflation&#8217;.)  Red China&#8217;s tyrants decided to sequester US money at a 38% greater rate than ever before last July.  The fed failed to increase the money supply.  </p>
<p>Of course the cheapest way to make cars fuel efficient is to mandate lower coefficients of drag.  60% of the energy of a vehicle is just to move the air out of the way.  If the government insisted on lower coefficients of drag for all vehicles, that would enclose the wheel wells, add boat tails and belly pans and end America&#8217;s dependence on middle-eastern oil, almost instantly.  Of course, the cars would be &#8216;ugly&#8217;.  </p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer M</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/auto-task-force-advisors-beware-ev-costs-25685/#comment-18162</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 02:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with what you have said completely.  How convenient and coincidental that an oil company bought the rights to the battery that will essentially minimize oil use!&lt;br /&gt;
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Main article: Patent encumbrance of large automotive NiMH batteries&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;In 1994, General Motors acquired a controlling interest in Ovonics&#039;s battery development and manufacturing, including patents controlling the manufacturing of large nickel metal hydride (NiMH) batteries. On October 10, 2001, Texaco purchased GM&#039;s share in GM Ovonics, and Chevron completed its acquisition of Texaco six days later. In 2003, Texaco Ovonics Battery Systems was restructured into Cobasys, a 50/50 joint venture between Chevron and Energy Conversion Devices (ECD) Ovonics.[5]&lt;br /&gt;
In her book, Plug-in Hybrids: The Cars that Will Recharge America, published in February 2007, Sherry Boschert argues that large-format NiMH batteries are commercially viable but that Cobasys refuses to sell or license them to small companies or individuals. Boschert reveals that Cobasys accepts only very large orders for these batteries. When Boschert conducted her research, major auto makers showed little interest in NiMH batteries. Since no other companies were capable of producing large orders, Cobasys was not manufacturing any NiMH batteries for automotive purposes.[6]&lt;br /&gt;
However, in December 2006, Cobasys and General Motors announced that they had signed a contract under which Cobasys provides NiMH batteries for the Saturn Aura hybrid sedan.[7] In March 2007, GM announced that it would use Cobasys NiMH batteries in the 2008 Chevrolet Malibu hybrid as well. Cobasys remains unwilling to produce and sell NiMH batteries in smaller quantities to individuals interested in building or retrofitting their own PHEVs.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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As excepted from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovonic&lt;br /&gt;
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5.^ Roberson, J. (March 14, 2007) &quot;Supplier Cobasys exploring more hybrid batteries&quot; Detroit Free Press &lt;br /&gt;
6.^ Boschert, S. (2007) Plug-in Hybrids: The Cars that Will Recharge America (Gabriola Island, BC: New Society Publishers) ISBN 9780865715714 &lt;br /&gt;
7.^ Abuelsamid, S. (December 6, 2006) &quot;Cobasys providing NiMH batteries for Saturn Aura hybrid&quot; Autobloggreen.com &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with what you have said completely.  How convenient and coincidental that an oil company bought the rights to the battery that will essentially minimize oil use!</p>
<p>Main article: Patent encumbrance of large automotive NiMH batteries<br />
&#8220;In 1994, General Motors acquired a controlling interest in Ovonics&#8217;s battery development and manufacturing, including patents controlling the manufacturing of large nickel metal hydride (NiMH) batteries. On October 10, 2001, Texaco purchased GM&#8217;s share in GM Ovonics, and Chevron completed its acquisition of Texaco six days later. In 2003, Texaco Ovonics Battery Systems was restructured into Cobasys, a 50/50 joint venture between Chevron and Energy Conversion Devices (ECD) Ovonics.[5]<br />
In her book, Plug-in Hybrids: The Cars that Will Recharge America, published in February 2007, Sherry Boschert argues that large-format NiMH batteries are commercially viable but that Cobasys refuses to sell or license them to small companies or individuals. Boschert reveals that Cobasys accepts only very large orders for these batteries. When Boschert conducted her research, major auto makers showed little interest in NiMH batteries. Since no other companies were capable of producing large orders, Cobasys was not manufacturing any NiMH batteries for automotive purposes.[6]<br />
However, in December 2006, Cobasys and General Motors announced that they had signed a contract under which Cobasys provides NiMH batteries for the Saturn Aura hybrid sedan.[7] In March 2007, GM announced that it would use Cobasys NiMH batteries in the 2008 Chevrolet Malibu hybrid as well. Cobasys remains unwilling to produce and sell NiMH batteries in smaller quantities to individuals interested in building or retrofitting their own PHEVs.&#8221;</p>
<p>As excepted from: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovonic" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovonic</a></p>
<p>5.^ Roberson, J. (March 14, 2007) &#8220;Supplier Cobasys exploring more hybrid batteries&#8221; Detroit Free Press <br />
6.^ Boschert, S. (2007) Plug-in Hybrids: The Cars that Will Recharge America (Gabriola Island, BC: New Society Publishers) ISBN 9780865715714 <br />
7.^ Abuelsamid, S. (December 6, 2006) &#8220;Cobasys providing NiMH batteries for Saturn Aura hybrid&#8221; Autobloggreen.com </p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer M</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/auto-task-force-advisors-beware-ev-costs-25685/#comment-18161</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 01:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t even know where to begin!  Maybe GM wouldn&#039;t need a bailout if they didn&#039;t spend millions to produce a car that they were then going to turn around and sabotage.  I mean how does it make sense to spend money to be ahead of the other car makers, produce an electric car, then repo and destroy all of them and start all over again 10 years later to then be behind everyone again???!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t even know where to begin!  Maybe GM wouldn&#8217;t need a bailout if they didn&#8217;t spend millions to produce a car that they were then going to turn around and sabotage.  I mean how does it make sense to spend money to be ahead of the other car makers, produce an electric car, then repo and destroy all of them and start all over again 10 years later to then be behind everyone again???!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Indigo</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/auto-task-force-advisors-beware-ev-costs-25685/#comment-18160</link>
		<dc:creator>Indigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 14:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course, in Baltimore, the EV problem might be complicated by the fact that the previous Republican governor Bob Ehrlich (who then got voted out of office) thought it would be a swell idea to let BGE operate as an unregulated monopoly for electricity production. Here&#039;s a shock: my power bill went from $150/month to $600/month because the power company raised rates high enough to give the executive staff $32 million in bonuses.&lt;br /&gt;
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So, I wonder if gasoline might actually be cheaper than electricity in a Post-Erhlich Maryland.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, in Baltimore, the EV problem might be complicated by the fact that the previous Republican governor Bob Ehrlich (who then got voted out of office) thought it would be a swell idea to let BGE operate as an unregulated monopoly for electricity production. Here&#8217;s a shock: my power bill went from $150/month to $600/month because the power company raised rates high enough to give the executive staff $32 million in bonuses.</p>
<p>So, I wonder if gasoline might actually be cheaper than electricity in a Post-Erhlich Maryland.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus Sabathil</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/auto-task-force-advisors-beware-ev-costs-25685/#comment-18159</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus Sabathil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Left out of the report are a few important details which skew the results heavily in favour of ICE vehicles.&lt;br /&gt;
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1)The true costs of oil are not represented which make the report highly skewed. Oil is highly subsidized so the title is very misleading. They base their report on the pump costs alone. Add in a few wars for oil and the picture would be very different.&lt;br /&gt;
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2) The costs of ownership do not include service costs which are quite high for ICE vehicles and would be substantially lower for an electric car. Also resale values for an electric car would be higher due to the longevity of electric motors.&lt;br /&gt;
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3) Cheaper batteries are coming and this report only covers Lithium Ion and at an inflated price.  large scale NiMH batteries, as in the EV1 gen2 and RAV4, would be much cheaper if only Cobasis (majority owned by Chevron)  would licence the technology. Why not make the cost of batteries a variable in the graphs like the costs of different ICE technologies?&lt;br /&gt;
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A shoddy report at best, anti-electric propaganda at worst.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Left out of the report are a few important details which skew the results heavily in favour of ICE vehicles.</p>
<p>1)The true costs of oil are not represented which make the report highly skewed. Oil is highly subsidized so the title is very misleading. They base their report on the pump costs alone. Add in a few wars for oil and the picture would be very different.</p>
<p>2) The costs of ownership do not include service costs which are quite high for ICE vehicles and would be substantially lower for an electric car. Also resale values for an electric car would be higher due to the longevity of electric motors.</p>
<p>3) Cheaper batteries are coming and this report only covers Lithium Ion and at an inflated price.  large scale NiMH batteries, as in the EV1 gen2 and RAV4, would be much cheaper if only Cobasis (majority owned by Chevron)  would licence the technology. Why not make the cost of batteries a variable in the graphs like the costs of different ICE technologies?</p>
<p>A shoddy report at best, anti-electric propaganda at worst.</p>
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		<title>By: AP</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/auto-task-force-advisors-beware-ev-costs-25685/#comment-18158</link>
		<dc:creator>AP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 16:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[mpg50: I assume your invention&#039;s energy comes from snake oil, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mpg50: I assume your invention&#8217;s energy comes from snake oil, right?</p>
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		<title>By: mpg50</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcars.com/auto-task-force-advisors-beware-ev-costs-25685/#comment-18157</link>
		<dc:creator>mpg50</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 00:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SAVE 50 CENTS/GALLON AT THE GAS PUMP&lt;br /&gt;
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There&#039;s not much that one of us can do about the price of gas at the pump, but as a team of American Patriots working together (en masse), we can accomplish much. &lt;br /&gt;
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See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSQh4zQcThc &lt;br /&gt;
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Thirty-seven years ago during the 1973 Oil Crisis we developed a liquid fuel conditioner. We call it MPG50. When added to gasoline or diesel fuel, it provides many benefits including a gas mileage boost of 25% to 50% and cutting exhaust pollution up to 90%. It is extremely cost-effective and widespread use of MPG50 can cut American dependence on foreign oil by 35%.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It&#039;s a No-Brainer: Buy a $25 trial bottle of MPG50 and you get a $40 Gasoline Rebate Voucher good at any gas station in North America. So, you make a $15 profit for trying MPG50. And, with $2/gallon gas prices a bottle of MPG50 will save you 50 cents/gallon, and since one bottle treats 160 gallons, you get $80 more in gas or diesel fuel savings. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The MPG50 Affiliate Plan also gives Americans a multi-billion dollar economic stimulus plan which could immediately put millions of Americans to work with no increase to the Federal deficit. As an Affiliate, you can make a good living wage &amp; there is no cost for the business (Simply agree to buy one bottle of MPG50/month to qualify for commissions). See http://MPG50.com &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You can not only save, but also earn, big $$$ marketing MPG50 as the price of gasoline &amp; diesel fuel climbs higher &amp; higher. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Affiliate signup: http://ebizac.com/affiliates/register.php?id=2373 &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
God Bless America&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SAVE 50 CENTS/GALLON AT THE GAS PUMP</p>
<p>There&#8217;s not much that one of us can do about the price of gas at the pump, but as a team of American Patriots working together (en masse), we can accomplish much. </p>
<p>See: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSQh4zQcThc" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSQh4zQcThc</a> </p>
<p>Thirty-seven years ago during the 1973 Oil Crisis we developed a liquid fuel conditioner. We call it MPG50. When added to gasoline or diesel fuel, it provides many benefits including a gas mileage boost of 25% to 50% and cutting exhaust pollution up to 90%. It is extremely cost-effective and widespread use of MPG50 can cut American dependence on foreign oil by 35%.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a No-Brainer: Buy a $25 trial bottle of MPG50 and you get a $40 Gasoline Rebate Voucher good at any gas station in North America. So, you make a $15 profit for trying MPG50. And, with $2/gallon gas prices a bottle of MPG50 will save you 50 cents/gallon, and since one bottle treats 160 gallons, you get $80 more in gas or diesel fuel savings. </p>
<p>The MPG50 Affiliate Plan also gives Americans a multi-billion dollar economic stimulus plan which could immediately put millions of Americans to work with no increase to the Federal deficit. As an Affiliate, you can make a good living wage &#038; there is no cost for the business (Simply agree to buy one bottle of MPG50/month to qualify for commissions). See <a href="http://MPG50.com" rel="nofollow">http://MPG50.com</a> </p>
<p>You can not only save, but also earn, big $$$ marketing MPG50 as the price of gasoline &#038; diesel fuel climbs higher &#038; higher. </p>
<p>Affiliate signup: <a href="http://ebizac.com/affiliates/register.php?id=2373" rel="nofollow">http://ebizac.com/affiliates/register.php?id=2373</a> </p>
<p>God Bless America</p>
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