ALTe and A123 Systems Sign Battery Supply Agreement

Last week, hybrid conversion startup ALTe and battery maker A123 Systems signed a long-term contract to enable ALTe to build extended-range light-duty fleet trucks by next summer.

A123 will supply 21.6 kwh – and eventually other – battery packs for the high-mpg plug in series hybrids that will operate similarly to a Chevy Volt or Fisker Karma.

“We believe that ALTe’s innovative powertrain systems will enable organizations to cost-effectively hybridize their fleets of light trucks to realize the significant economic, environmental and operational benefits of electrification,” said Jason Forcier, vice president of A123’s Automotive Solutions Group. “We consider our Nanophosphate lithium ion battery packs to be optimal for this application, and look forward to a long-term relationship with ALTe helping its customers realize the fuel economy improvements and total cost of ownership advantages that electrification offers over trucks with conventional powertrains.”

ALTe’s four-cylinder engine supplier has yet to be disclosed, but is thought to be a quality maker, which we will get to momentarily. ALTe is otherwise attempting to build on a strong foundation by starting with the Ford F-150, one of the most popular trucks sold, and powering it with some of the best batteries made.

The company says the A123 battery pack can be charged within eight hours from a 120-volt outlet or in about four hours from a 240-volt outlet.

The system is expected to provide an initial 30 miles of driving in all-electric mode, and an estimated additional 270 miles in a charge-sustained mode before the vehicle would need to be either refueled or plugged in.

Cargo and towing capacity are similar compared to a standard V8.

Since this is an Achilles heel for a work truck that other major manufacturers have had to try and overcome, we asked a few more questions of ALTe’s CEO, John D. Thomas.

Q&A

HybridCars How does this EREV system manage to maintain similar towing capacity? Didn’t GM have to go to a two-mode hybrid system and it still reduces capacity?

Thomas: It all comes down to the definition of similar. ALTe has a roughly 1,500 pound reduced towing capacity when compared to the 5.4-liter V8 engine it is replacing. So, we can tow a 6,000 pound trailer up a mountain road with a reasonably full crew cab and payload in the bed at 55 mph up the steepest highway grades in the US. We accomplish this with our hybrid control system management and charge depletion anticipation.

HybridCars Originally the talk was of an F-150-based conversion. Will you do Dodge, GM and import conversions as well? How about vans, or larger bodied vehicles? How will prices vary?

Thomas: ALTe will initially be targeting to retrofit Ford branded pickup trucks (F-Series) and full size vans (Econoline), but eventually the company plans to retrofit other brands as well. Longer term, ALTe is involved in discussions with various OEMs regarding the inclusion of an ALTe PHEV powertrain in new vehicle platforms.

Because of the modularity or “plug n play” configuration of the ALTe powertrains, pricing will be very consistent between brands. There will be modest price increases as ALTe powertrains increase in size (e.g., larger engine, more battery, etc.) for larger vehicles (i.e., more content for a 14,000 GVW vehicle compared with an 8,500 lv vehicle).

ALTe will enter the market initially with a common configuration for light trucks/vans up to 14,000 GVW. Eventually, ALTe will offer a larger powertrain for trucks/vans up to 26,000 GVW and also have the ability to offer customers various options that could increase electric miles and/or range and/or other performance specifications.

HybridCars Is this system superior?

Thomas: By definition, if we have a higher curb weight and reduced towing capability, we cannot honestly call our system superior. What we have devised is a system that meets the reasonable needs of our customers, not the most extreme 1 percentile cases.

HybridCars How much less is towing and cargo capacity compared to a comparable V8 truck?

Thomas: Essentially answered in first question, but at full GVWR we have a 1,500 pound reduced towing capacity at full payload.

HybridCars How different is the REEP (Range Extended Electric Powertrain) system from that in the Volt? How does it differ?

Thomas: On the surface, all series PHEV systems are similar in architecture. The differences arise in the specific details of component and system sizing, duty cycle and utilization optimization, power flows, tolerance for limits, thermal management, accessory drives, etc. Beyond that, we would get into some of our intellectual property related to the hybrid control unit, multimodes, battery management system, predictive algorithms, etc., which we are not going to speak about publicly.

HybridCars Is level 2 and 3 charging being encouraged?

Thomas: Yes to both

HybridCars What specific four-cylinder engine will be used?

Thomas: We have a commercial deal in place with a major automaker where two different engines are available for our use a 2.0 liter and a 2.5 liter. Other deals with other engine manufacturers are in discussion on an international level.

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HybridCars Isn’t this a rather modest sized battery (21.6 kwh)?

Thomas: It is “right sized” – for the duty cycles our target customers are driving. We scale up or down depending on customers’ different desires for a quantity of plug in derived electric miles.

HybridCars How many configurations (2X4, 4X4, club cab, etc.) will be offered?

Thomas: The permutations are dazzling when all factors are considered, but at a high level we will start with 2X4 and all cab versions other than the short wheel base and expand a few months later to offer a 4×4 version.

HybridCars As we understand it, the conversion retains the functional transmission (which can even be rebuilt)?

Thomas: ALTe’s original business model and technology assumed that the powertrain conversion would retain the original transmission. During discussions with our Customer Advisory Board, we received overwhelming feedback that fleet customers would much rather pay an additional cost for a new or refurbished transmission that would be included as part of ALTe’s overall powertrain warranty. As ALTe’s technology will be extending the life of a vehicle including a new powertrain system, customers determined that the “weakest link” would be the old transmission so they expressed a strong preference for a new/refurbished one.

HybridCars Is this not a unique development – using a conventional automatic (or manual?) transmission – in a series hybrid?

Thomas: Yes, ALTe has indeed created a novel approach on how to salvage and utilize a very robust traditional transmission by incorporating a few external features. We are trying to leverage existing technology where possible for cost and time to market reasons. In the future, we envision a more custom designed solution which we have under development.

HybridCars Is the retention of the transmission an advantage? If so, how? (Power delivery, speed, economy, all?)

Thomas: The retention of the transmission has very practical advantages: it already packages and bolts to the vehicle, it has a proven gear set to move the vehicle at full load, it minimizes tooling investment and ultimately is affordable for our customers.

HybridCars Are there any intentions to offer this system for automobiles as well?

Thomas: As GM and Fisker know, it is very hard to package all of the elements of two powertrain systems in an automobile without some kind of passenger or cargo volume compromise. We may be offering micro versions of our powertrain in the future for OEMs that will work with us to build the vehicle around the powertrain vs. shoehorning it in an existing platform.

HybridCars What will be pricing for the vehicles?

Thomas: The cost of retrofitting a full size pickup to ALTe’s REEV powertrain [note: "V" stands for "vehicle"] is projected to be under $30,000 and offset quickly by fuel savings in fleet vehicles that typically are driven many more miles annually when compared with an average individual or retail customer. The “payback” can be as short as one year depending primarily on the number of miles driven and the projected cost of gasoline. The price of the ALTe powertrain is projected to decline significantly over the next several years as demand for lithium ion batteries increases and corresponding battery costs decline.

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HybridCars In doing the conversions, who keeps the old parts (like the V8 engine, etc.)?

Thomas: As part of the transaction with the fleet customer, ALTe will retain possession of old/removed components. We are working with several companies on the disposal process for these parts, nearly all of which we believe will be able to be recycled or sold to repair/salvage shops and dealers.

Big plans ahead

ALTe has also said it wishes to establish itself as an OEM solutions provider for major automakers, so no doubt it will attempt to hit the ground running.

The company expects to begin accepting purchase orders by the end of 2011 and plans to start installing its electric powertrain systems in summer 2012.


  • Max Reid

    This is much better way. There are millions of Picups / Vans with many years of useful life. If we can convert them to plugin, we can save billions of gallons of gasolene.

    In many developing countries, they have converted millions of vehicles to run on CNG which saves them lot of Crude Oil and money.

    Read this 1. For just $240, they can convert a 3-wheeled vehicle from Gasoline (Petrol) to CNG.
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  • MrEnergyCzar

    Trying to sustain the unsustainable. Do away with the big trucks and SUV’s. There is only so much precious metals to make the batteries…

    MrEnergyCzar

  • James Davis

    I agree Mr. Czar. Soccermom and Soccerdad do not need trucks, suvs, and vans. A small EV car is all they need to go to work in or take their child to the soccer field. With a small EV, all parents can afford to take their own child to the games. And even a business does not need a SUV. You don’t see UPS driving a SUV around do you; a van provides them all the space they need to carry the packages or flowers. If your son or daughter have an ego problem where they think they need a big Dodge Ram or a Ford F150 to prove they are a man or woman – get them psychological help…you will save a fortune in the long run.

  • Mr. Fusion

    Stop it people. YOU may not need a pick up, soccer mom may not need a pick up, but many people do…like the people who built the home you live in for example.

    As for me, I’m restoring my home. I need to get large, heavy materials all the time…like 4′ x 8′ sheet goods, lumber, cement, mulch, gravel etc…

    So please, be considerate when poo-pooing “big trucks” and psychoanalyzing their owners.

    Oh, and I’m the guy with the pick up you call crying for help when you need to move that awesome couch you spotted on Craigs list. You’re welcome.

  • Dave K.

    Mr. Fusion, you are both right and wrong. Yes, there are those who need a large P.U., but the truth is not many. I have been using a light weight 4X8 trailer for decades, I currently tow it with a PHEV Prius, but have used the same trailer with my last 5 cars. this is actually a very compeling solution as I only haul the extra weight and drag around when I am using it. For those who use a truck even less often there is always the rental option, you can rent a truck right from Home Depot for $19! Let’s admit that for most truck owners it’s more about image than necessity.

  • JHBiggs

    I for one use my truck most the time as I do a handyman business. And as such have a pardon the pun “Truck load” of tools I carry every day. I would love to convert my Full size Payed off F150 over to the more economical Hybrid style. What I did not see in the article I may have missed it was The Mpg estimate… This was a cool article to run across.. thanks for the good work.

  • LMW

    To everyone: Please don’t take the comments against trucks and SUV’s personally. If you read between the lines, the criticisms are directed to those drivers of pick-ups and SUVs with no real need to haul anything but their egos. If you have a business need, or are required to haul stuff on a regular basis – well then obviously the comments don’t apply to you – as simple as that!

  • chenyj

    It would take 11 years to break even from the cost of conversion for the gas saving if the improved mpg is true in real world.

    Here is a handy calculator for ROI.
    http://www.enginer.us/products/calculator.php

    I forgot to mention the system only lasts for 7 years according to the article.

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    ALTe has announced a long-term supply agreement with A123 Systems for complete lithium ion battery packs to be integrated into ALTe’s range-extended hybrid electric powertrain systems. Built on A123′s advanced NanophosphateÆ technology, the 21.6kWh packs are designed to deliver high power, greater usable energy, long life and increased safety, forming a critical part of the ALTe powertrain. The packs will be matched with a four-cylinder engine, electric motors and proprietary controls modules to increase fuel economy by up to 200 percent.
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